Why is Organic Cannabis better?

[schwagg]

Ok to clarify, I did two large plants and 5 small ones outdoors, the big ones got ripped out of my backyard 3 weeks before the finish.

But please, continue ignoring the discussion at hand, maybe you can help by looking for spelling errors or something useful?

i actually read your thread within minutes of you posting it and felt bad for you. i wouldn't steal what someone else has worked for. i'd rather do it myself.

edit: actually if it was fire i might look for a seed!

 

[SativaHybrid]

Lazy i understand your argument that the smaller HID lights usually seem to have a better GPW than the larger ones (even though this is counter intuitive when looking at the lights efficiency). However i am trying to give an example of the possibilities attainable. If you look at 250w chemical grows using 4 plants you would be hard pressed to find many outyielding V.G.especially without Co2 enrichment.

Usually im all for everyone having their own opinion but the following statement caught my eye.

"But I think that salts offer more precise control and allow a skilled grower to really maximize the plants potential. Sure they will grow happily in organic soil and with lots of practice even match a salt grow in yield. Both take similar amounts of experience and practice to do their best, but I think the learning curve on salts is much shorter and shallower. Growing indoors has little to do with being environmentally friendly, and much to do with control."

When growing with chems you are choosing what to give to the plants and it is obligated to accept whether it likes it or not. In organics you give the plants a whole host of options and it chooses what it wants. Once again it would be arrogant to assume even the most experienced grower knows what the plant needs more than it does.

As for learning curve i guess each has their own and accordingly each will find certain things easier to pick up on than others. I believe the epitome of ease is putting everything in the soil from the start and letting the plant do the rest. Just water start to finish.

 

[guest2012y]

Something else to think about......
Did the people of Afghanistan 700 years ago have or use anything chemi or natural,that we buy in a hydro store here? Hell no!....and you know damn well that if you could go back 700 years ago and sit around the hash pile smokin' out with those cats that your dome would get peeled back just as good.
Questions....
Do you think it was harsh?
Did they ph the water?
Did they amend the soil with anything at all?
Shit,did grandma have a ph meter for her tomatoes in 1929?

 

[Budsworth]

You know, Lazy...at first I was like "RAWR!"...

then I smoked some organic blue moonshine and listened to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY0tsKCB4lc

...and then I was like, "yeah...whateva".

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

I'm staying out, I needed to define "better".

I meant QUALITY. Quantity (yield) means nothing to cannasseurs* and medicine.

*connoisseurs of cannabis

 

[schwagg]

1) LOL!

The end result being a choice: pour it out of the bottle, or cultivate it in an elaborate soil web and hope that it works.

Hope doesn't really factor into my gardening practices much, but I'd rather know what was in my medium and nutes than guess what is.

gotta love this guy

 

[Weird]

1) LOL!

2) This would be very difficult to back up unless you did a proper study with a control, and had unrestricted access to a mass spectrometer or gas chromatagraph

or you can simly expect an easier to measure differential, such as a noteable difference in yield, visual appeal, smell, taste and or effect.

the statement above is obviosuly fautly logic because you used the same proofs to make your decisions in this very thread, you had an easy to measure differential when you used organics thats why you dont like them

conversely, you did it wrong, and in my humble experience I would look to be hitting far better numbers with synths in traditional grow environments before you talk negatively about methods you obviously did not apply with the required level of competence

organics did not work for YOU sounds more accurate

Given the same genetics, environment, etc, do you really think that we cannot isolate and therefore supplement ANY chemical produced in nature? The end result being a choice: pour it out of the bottle, or cultivate it in an elaborate soil web and hope that it works.

no we dont do better than nature thats why many of our agricultural chemicals become ineffective and have caustic by prodcuts to nature cause we have too little an understanding to manufacture artifical solutions that reconcle gracefully back to nature

above and beyond it we understand a small function of the soil food web and it just now really getting the attention it deserves and the differential in secondary metabolite prodcution is one of the factors that make organcs superior. Taste and smell is a result of secondary metabolites

we do know that the microrial life does effect the prodcution of secondary metaolites directly

but realize this; to your own admittance science merely reverse engineers a simple natural chemical responce and puts it in a bottle

THUS every new avantage in a bottle, is a cheap knock off of what mother nature does perfectly already

you want to pay a vig cause they make it simple good for you, but just because you failed at your foray into organics doesn't mean it doesnt offer like or superior results ot chems

chems made it easy for every tom dick and harry to grow weeds

canna labelled ones make every tome dick and harry think they really know what time it is but im sure the proof of measurable difference for mere dollars

the real benefit of synth nutes is basic control nothing more nothing less

Hope doesn't really factor into my gardening practices much, but I'd rather know what was in my medium and nutes than guess what is.

i dont use hope I use common sense measured against experience

there are easy to see measurable benefitsform organics and you can get the same yields

HOWEVER properly applied organic solutions aren't bottled and sold like AN products, but in raw precursors basedon the assumption the user has an education in applied organics

its far easy to throw money at a problem that to devote your energies to resoling it wth reaosn and effort

 

[Weird]

one of the biggest factors left out in the organic synthetic debate are the effects of the smoke

i find that properly grown organics do not irritate me like syntheticaly grown buds ( i have several allergies and asthma)

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

one of the biggest factors left out in the organic synthetic debate are the effects of the smoke

i find that properly grown organics do not irritate me like syntheticaly grown buds ( i have several allergies and asthma)

YES! Thanks. Agree 100%. See my youtube channel for videos of "organic no cough" cannabis. no joke, no cough.

 

[big ballin 88]

The main reason i had got into organics was the smoothness and clean burning bud, like nice cigars. Everything else at the time was a sidenote since i didn't know much on the aspect of growing.

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

The main reason i had got into organics was the smoothness and clean burning bud, like nice cigars. Everything else at the time was a sidenote since i didn't know much on the aspect of growing.

When you get to a point where you have too much really good pot all the time, then you start to care about organics and taste and harshness (or lack thereof for organics). I know bigballer feels that. (cough cough drool)

 

[Microbeman]

Ok and the relationship between the microherd and the newly-transplanted cutting: How long does it take for this relationship to take hold and begin feeding the plant as much as it requires? I know it's not instantly, which puts it at an immediate disadvantage to salt ferts. Any delay slows growth and diminishes yield.

About the bugs and organic soil, do you think this symbiosis occurs irrespective of sunlight or UV? Or is this another characteristic exhibited primarily by outdoor plants?

Lazyman, it appears that I had no success in pushing this discussion in the requested direction but I can address this. What you say here is a bit of a myth. Especially nitrogen is cycled to the roots of plants by bacteria being consumed by (protozoa)flagellates, naked amoebae and nematodes. In a soil which does not specifically inhibit these organisms, they become active within hours. Bacteria multiply as rapidly as every 20 minutes and protozoa in 2 hours. They are activated by food sources such as compost, molasses, fish hydrolysate, organic matter topdressed. And/or when a compost tea is applied it is already nutrient cycling complete with the above mentioned organisms. The only organism which takes time to establish is mycorrhizal fungi; other fungal species grow massively over 24 hours.

Edit: Just in case you are not aware sphagnum peat moss is loaded with these microbes.

On the topic of bugs in the garden, I had lots of bugs in my indoor garden and kept my soil intact permanently.

 

[Microbeman]

I've got appointments to get to but later or tomorrow I'll post up my basic hypothesis of why plant tissues grown naturally are healthier than those grown with ionic form fertilizers.

 

[big ballin 88]

When you get to a point where you have too much really good pot all the time, then you start to care about organics and taste and harshness (or lack thereof for organics). I know bigballer feels that. (cough cough drool)

Thats exactly it. I went from smoking a gorgeous bag appeal sour D, but it was so harsh that people got sick from it. I remember smoking about a half o a day of it and ending up with a chronic cough/ sore throat.

I've slowed down a lot from what i used to smoke. But nothing compares to the nice feel of a clean smoke. All the old schoolers around me and kids my age agree. I've converted 4 people so far to get off the chem bandwagon. It all came down to the comparison of the two.

Random people i smoke with feel the same way and always are amazed when i tell them the differences.

crap and black send it back....

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

Thats exactly it. I went from smoking a gorgeous bag appeal sour D, but it was so harsh that people got sick from it. I remember smoking about a half o a day of it and ending up with a chronic cough/ sore throat.

Yeah man. I smoke about 2 grams of organic hash and 3 grams of organic bud everyday, and I eat hash caps every night. I never have a sore throat since turning my back on chemy smoke. Folks who grow chem are:
1) in it for the money,
2) don't know how much better organic herb is to smoke (ignorance),
3) weed fiends that only care about the high and are unaware of, or indifferent to, the finer qualities of connoisseur cannabis.
4) lazy
(you can pick which category(s) apply to yourself chem growers)

 

[VerdantGreen]

"Slight is the scent of rosebay or sandalwood, but the scent of virtue is supreme, drifting even to the gods" (from Buddhist scripture)

 

[big ballin 88]

The main thing is just most people aren't as lucky as us, to even know how much better it can be. I'm VERY picky about what i smoke. I will turn down bud if its not up to par or give it away free.

I still find it funny when people say organics aren't sustainable or any better for you than chem.

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

The main thing is just most people aren't as lucky as us, to even know how much better it can be. I'm VERY picky about what i smoke. I will turn down bud if its not up to par or give it away free.

I still find it funny when people say organics aren't sustainable or any better for you than chem.

lol, my worm bin would care to differ on sustainability... and I majored in conservation biology so I know the definition of that term... Agreed on being picky. POT SNOBS!

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

"Slight is the scent of rosebay or sandalwood, but the scent of virtue is supreme, drifting even to the gods" (from Buddhist scripture)

OOOOOHHHHMHMMMMM (bubble bubble, little cough, )

 

[guest2012y]

How many people actually grow in organic living soil? 1/10 of 1/10 of all growers is what I see. Chemi smoke literally makes my girl sick..I tell her to ask before puffing a bowl with anyone and make sure to bring her stash when she goes out.