Why do my plants always get ugly when I transfer them to the Gavita room?

[P. Dondrub]

Hi everyone!

I have a big issue I'm trying to deal with regarding plants that are transferred from my veg to my flower room.

The plants are super healthy under the 1000Wmetal halides, but within a week of transfer, they look like they hate life. This is true even if I keep the light cycle on 18 hours.

Humidity is similar in both rooms, the plants are in canna coco coir with some large particle perlite.

The fertilizer formula is 5.9 ph'd RO water with H3ad formula, or 6ml of Floramicro and 9ml of Florabloom, with every day hand watering.

In the first picture below, please see a plant on the right has been in the veg room, and the one on the left is a little over a week in the Gavita room.

In the second picture, you'll see a plant after a little over a week in the Gavita room, an abusive's kush.

In the third picture, there is an abusive on the left that looks healthier, and a sick one on the right center of the picture. The healthy one was removed back to the veg room after it started looking sick, and see how it came back.

What could be wrong?

thank you,
Padma Dondrub

 

[Chemdawggy Dawg]

You need stronger nutes. That is a common problem.

 

[DJXX]

maybe lumen shock with the more intense lights..DJXX

 

[ExEcutioner]

they look good. but yea look like u need more nute fine tuning.... decide somewhere arround more mg and potash, but find out what they really hunger for...

Im hard on myself also, but they do not look like shit, just a lil deficient in something....

Just a guess, id bank on mag. and id hit em with it quick looks like flowering is upon you

 

[ExEcutioner]

oh yea you are using ro water, tap water has a decent ammount of calcium and mg...

prob mg is ur problem

 

[ExEcutioner]

Id use some water soluble sul-po-mg.

 

[Martha Focker]

how often do you have to water? could either be they're hungry, or maybe too much food because they are drying out faster.

 

[Granger2]

Could there be something in the Gavita room that's not in the other room that is off-gassing? Good luck. -granger

 

[P. Dondrub]

I appreciate the comments and questions everyone. I'll do my best to address them all:

Regarding weak nutrients, well I can increase them. I see signs of possible issues with P, K, Fe, and Mg. I have been slowly turning it up over the past few weeks actually. They do seem to recover over the course of flower. The fact that I see some Mg-ish and Fe-ish symptoms makes me question high pH drift causing lockout. When I mix the nutes they are at 5.0, I've been bringing it to 5.9 with potassium bicarbonate.

Regarding light strength, I did actually turn the Gavitas to a lower setting because of this issue. However, I am not sold on that idea completely. Is this a common experience to have shock resemble this when going from 1000MH to 1000DE HPS? Seems like it would be if that were the case. I feel like I expect chlorosis and loss of turgor pressure with light stress though, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

Regarding the water quality, I am in Denver proper, so it is my understanding that typically the tap water here has Calcium Carbonate in it, but not necessarily much Mg. These symptoms, from my limited knowledge, may be associated with Mg, did not look like what I've seen online that is said to be low calcium symptoms. I could however add epsom salts if I wished to amend that.

how often do you have to water? could either be they're hungry, or maybe too much food because they are drying out faster.

1x daily, though hope to get a 3-4x daily routine going soon, just been busy with many other projects.

Could there be something in the Gavita room that's not in the other room that is off-gassing? Good luck. -granger

You know, actually I had a thought of that possibility just before I posted this thread. I removed 2 rubber garden hoses, that is the only possible suspect. There were no rubber hoses in the veg room.

Thanks again to everyone. My next update will include pictures in a white light.

 

[P. Dondrub]

Id use some water soluble sul-po-mg.

Hmmm... sulfur potassium magnesium.

I have actually switched to a pH up ingredient of potassium bicarbonate cause I think my potassium formula may be low, and I do see some semblance of Mg symptoms here too....
I may attempt this as an 'experimental treatment'

 

[Scrappy-doo]

Hard to tell what's going on with the yellow pics. What do the leaves feel like? If they sorta tough and paperlike? If so my guess would also be lumen shock. The rippling in the leaves also point to that being the case. I've had plants that look like that from lumen shock or heat stress.

 

[mango420]

Those are magnesium and most likely potasium defficient as well. The light green and yellowing of the leaves between the veins is a dead give away. What are you giving them ppm wise? What size pots? How far are your lights from the tops of the plants? How many plants per light? How many plants per light in veg? Gavitas are extremely bright and that means your plants will use way more food to grow and transition to flowering there going to use alot more feed as it is. Remember just because someone had success with a certain feeding schedule doesnt mean you will, every strain is different and same with every room. Your plants look pretty big, bigger plants need more feed. As an example, in first week of flower i feed 10ml/g micro, 8ml/g grow, 16ml/g bloom, plus bud blood at 2g/gal and pro silicate plus mighty growth enhancer.

 

[Xray Kimono]

In coco, with RO you need to add Cal Mag.... I use a modified 6/9 formula too and add between 2-4ml per gal of magicali depending on the strains needs. Diesels and OGs need a lot.

 

[the gnome]

did you have plants in this room under regular HID lighting before and this a switch out with gaivtas and now probs are surfacing?
are you sealed/c02 with a burner.
I'm with others thinking the new light intensity has stepped up the metabolism, and more nutes are needed

 

[MickFoster]

My money is on the garden hose.

 

[whiteberrieS]

Joo go from 1000umols to 2000umols joo gonna need a lil more food.

 

[Useful Idiot]

Hi everyone!

I have a big issue I'm trying to deal with regarding plants that are transferred from my veg to my flower room.

The plants are super healthy under the 1000Wmetal halides, but within a week of transfer, they look like they hate life. This is true even if I keep the light cycle on 18 hours.

Humidity is similar in both rooms, the plants are in canna coco coir with some large particle perlite.

The fertilizer formula is 5.9 ph'd RO water with H3ad formula, or 6ml of Floramicro and 9ml of Florabloom, with every day hand watering.

In the first picture below, please see a plant on the right has been in the veg room, and the one on the left is a little over a week in the Gavita room.

In the second picture, you'll see a plant after a little over a week in the Gavita room, an abusive's kush.

In the third picture, there is an abusive on the left that looks healthier, and a sick one on the right center of the picture. The healthy one was removed back to the veg room after it started looking sick, and see how it came back.

What could be wrong?

thank you,
Padma Dondrub

I think part of the problem is they are growing on the side of a wall...hurt my old neck looking at them... LOL Just pissin with ya brother. Boost your feeding a bit...they will thank you. Just like some other folks said..once they get that intense light..they do need more food. I think you are gonna be just fine once you kick the feed up a bit.I hope this message finds you well.

 

[CoCoSativas]

Hi everyone!

I have a big issue I'm trying to deal with regarding plants that are transferred from my veg to my flower room.

The plants are super healthy under the 1000Wmetal halides, but within a week of transfer, they look like they hate life. This is true even if I keep the light cycle on 18 hours.

Humidity is similar in both rooms, the plants are in canna coco coir with some large particle perlite.

The fertilizer formula is 5.9 ph'd RO water with H3ad formula, or 6ml of Floramicro and 9ml of Florabloom, with every day hand watering.

In the first picture below, please see a plant on the right has been in the veg room, and the one on the left is a little over a week in the Gavita room.

In the second picture, you'll see a plant after a little over a week in the Gavita room, an abusive's kush.

In the third picture, there is an abusive on the left that looks healthier, and a sick one on the right center of the picture. The healthy one was removed back to the veg room after it started looking sick, and see how it came back.

What could be wrong?

thank you,
Padma Dondrub

Raise your gavitas. They work great 36-48" away from the canopy or even more.

Try tap water heads formula is with tap isn't it? Maybe you are cal deficient I use tap water only and love it. My tap is 200 ppm strait cal and my city does wonders to have the best tasting and coco growing water in the country in my opinion. My bet though is you took it away from the gavitas and got better too much lights these lights are super powerful. I don't use pros but have installed them in a local greenhouse and am pretty well informed on them I did alot of research before setting them up.

I wouldn't go heavier food I had burned tips with that formula and had to do 5/10 because too much n curled my leaves... sativas are nitrogen sesitive.

I like my canna deal I do now gh flora is great to learn on but I like the perpose made dope growing food. My gh run was ok my last run using canna well the pics made the mag so that's a big difference

 

[Useful Idiot]

Raise your gavitas. They work great 36-48" away from the canopy or even more.

Try tap water heads formula is with tap isn't it? Maybe you are cal deficient I use tap water only and love it. My tap is 200 ppm strait cal and my city does wonders to have the best tasting and coco growing water in the country in my opinion. My bet though is you took it away from the gavitas and got better too much lights these lights are super powerful. I don't use pros but have installed them in a local greenhouse and am pretty well informed on them I did alot of research before setting them up.

I wouldn't go heavier food I had burned tips with that formula and had to do 5/10 because too much n curled my leaves... sativas are nitrogen sesitive.

I like my canna deal I do now gh flora is great to learn on but I like the perpose made dope growing food. My gh run was ok my last run using canna well the pics made the mag so that's a big difference

I thought the Abusive was Indica dominant ....Am I so old that I forgot??? No...I'm pretty sure of it.

 

[_Underscore_]

Hi everyone!

I have a big issue I'm trying to deal with regarding plants that are transferred from my veg to my flower room.

The plants are super healthy under the 1000Wmetal halides, but within a week of transfer, they look like they hate life. This is true even if I keep the light cycle on 18 hours.

Humidity is similar in both rooms, the plants are in canna coco coir with some large particle perlite.

The fertilizer formula is 5.9 ph'd RO water with H3ad formula, or 6ml of Floramicro and 9ml of Florabloom, with every day hand watering.

In the first picture below, please see a plant on the right has been in the veg room, and the one on the left is a little over a week in the Gavita room.

In the second picture, you'll see a plant after a little over a week in the Gavita room, an abusive's kush.

In the third picture, there is an abusive on the left that looks healthier, and a sick one on the right center of the picture. The healthy one was removed back to the veg room after it started looking sick, and see how it came back.

What could be wrong?

thank you,
Padma Dondrub

What did you do to solve this issue? I am having similar .