why Ace not make 50/50 super indica sativa hybrid?

[kakaman]

Why dose Ace or other seed companies not cross the strongest indica known to man with the strongest known sativa?

Would the f1 offspring not be almost uniform in phenotypes?

Wouldn't the plants surpass or equal the potency of the parents because of hybrid vigor?

If you crossed a female Sensi star clone with a female Zamaldelica clone that had it sex reversed to male wouldn't the seeds be almost all female because of the reversed Zamaldelica pollen?

 

[Baron Greenback]

Ace stuff is pretty strong already. You could try the zamal x hash plant as it's 50 - 50.
As far as reversing and cloning goes, that's way beyond my limited knowledge

 

[zachrockbadenof]

Why dose Ace or other seed companies not cross the strongest indica known to man with the strongest known sativa?

PLEASE NOOOOO... every other seed co. out there has done that... ok 99.99999% of em...

I want weed that tastes/has a high from the 60's/70's... yea todays weed is good, but imo, it does not compare with the 60's

ace.. stay the course...

 

[scai]

It's not allways the strenght that makes cannabis good.
I mean, when it's too strong, it's too strong and it might make you feel very uneasy.
Most of the strong varieties in market are not all that popular if they loose taste and smell.
I think Ace is going just in right direction.
Good vibrant plants, good health, good taste, different varieties for each one.
Indica dominants for inside, sativa dominant for outgrows etc...

You might gallops after the strenght but you might be dissapointed,I mean, you can allways make your own crosses, Ace gives good tools for that, but outcome is sometimes something you dont like, afterall.

 

[sourpuss]

Gotta say this brings up a good point when it comes to breeding.. flavour and odour are very important.. composes 2 of our senses.

Ever find when your sick and you cant smell or taste u cant get high??? No matter the potency or strain its like the ceiling dropped to ground level...

U can make the highest thc hybrid u want... but a lower thc terpene rich strain will most def be the better strain....

 

[kakaman]

It's not allways the strenght that makes cannabis good.
I mean, when it's too strong, it's too strong and it might make you feel very uneasy.
Most of the strong varieties in market are not all that popular if they loose taste and smell.
I think Ace is going just in right direction.
Good vibrant plants, good health, good taste, different varieties for each one.
Indica dominants for inside, sativa dominant for outgrows etc...

You might gallops after the strenght but you might be dissapointed,I mean, you can allways make your own crosses, Ace gives good tools for that, but outcome is sometimes something you dont like, afterall.

I don't think Ace seeds are low thc. People say the Malawi and Zamaldelica are to strong for everyday use. I saw a smoke report on the Zamal Hash and the high was described as potent and "soaring". I just thought about it cuz hash plant is not the absolute strongest indica.

Using the pollen from a reversed sex female makes feminize seeds right? Maybe that's how Zamal Hash was created?

 

[Tiami]

I wouldn't mind Ace sativas crossed with modern elite genetics like gg4, cookies, whites, stardawgs...

 

[dubi]

Why dose Ace or other seed companies not cross the strongest indica known to man with the strongest known sativa?

Would the f1 offspring not be almost uniform in phenotypes?

Wouldn't the plants surpass or equal the potency of the parents because of hybrid vigor?

If you crossed a female Sensi star clone with a female Zamaldelica clone that had it sex reversed to male wouldn't the seeds be almost all female because of the reversed Zamaldelica pollen?

Welcome kakaman,

You can make a cross between a very strong inbred sativa and a very strong inbred indica to try to produce an even stronger sativa/indica F1 hybrid, but the F1 offspring must be tested to know if they reach your breeding goals.
The fact you are crossing your 2 strongest lines it doesn't mean it will always work. Indeed we tried a Malawi x Taskenti cross that didn't work at all and was finally discarded.

Also, as others pointed out here in the thread, potency is just one of the desirable traits to breed for, but there are other traits that are equally or more important like the type of effect, terpene and cannabinoid profile, etc ...if you have a female with an excellent and desirable effect and moderate potency, then you only need to consume more to reach where you want to be, but if your female is very strong and the effect is not good then you won't probably reach where you want to go just by smoking lesser of it.

To answer your question, if you cross a stable inbred sativa with a stable inbred indica then you will produce a F1 sativa/indica hybrid, with quite good phenotypical uniformity, that most of the times is more vigorous and better yielding than its parental plants due heterosis. There will be a blend of sativa and indica traits, and it's only the correct mix of the desirable traits from each line what will produce something really superior to its parental plants. The only way to know it for sure is to grow the F1 offsprings and try different lines (different parental plants combinations) to determine which line/s or combination/s are closer to your ideal of the hybrid.

The pure sativa x pure indica hybrids were very popular in the 80s and 90s, when the indicas were started to be crossed with the old tropical sativa lines, but lately this kind of classic F1s are a bit unfashionable due the lack of real high quality inbred lines, lack of quality unpolluted landraces and due the excessive outcrossing that cannabis strains are suffering, especially for the past 20 years. Nowadays most of the hybrids are usually sativa/indica x sativa/indica type of unstable poly hybrids.

Malawi x PCK and Zamal Hash are probably the most successful sativa x indica F1 hybrids we have produced lately.

Hope it helps with your doubts.

 

[Gerardbutler79]

Hello dubi, kakaman, I believe half of sensi's old hashplant was northern lights #1. Supposed to be a pure, heavy indica. If I'm wrong please correct me

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

I wouldn't mind Ace sativas crossed with modern elite genetics like gg4, cookies, whites, stardawgs...

Boo too this, I am so sick of these strains. Everything is crossed to diesel chem og crap. It's been years now of everyone doing the same thing, Ace strains may not be practical for me all the time but I am certainly grateful they are working on things other than these over hyped trends.

If you want strains like that there is plenty of brands that can supply it don't fill Ace's forum with bad ideas.

 

[Gerardbutler79]

Boo too this, I am so sick of these strains. Everything is crossed to diesel chem og crap. It's been years now of everyone doing the same thing, Ace strains may not be practical for me all the time but I am certainly grateful they are working on things other than these over hyped trends.

If you want strains like that there is plenty of brands that can supply it don't fill Ace's forum with bad ideas.

I wouldn't say those are "bad" ideas necessarily unless you believe the chem lines perpetuate hermies or "bad" genetics. I believe breeder motarebel has what he calls colorado green bud and thinks its the parent of chem lines. Tbh I'd love to see something like that crossed to a land race sativa and offered as limited releases. That'd be pretty cool I think. Or an older cut of OG that hasn't been selfed a hundred times. The triangle kush to panama or a mexican line could be sweet.

 

[JKD]

There are so many breeders offering chem/diesel/og crosses I think HITH may think along the same lines as me in that there is a great 'sameness' about them all now and ACEs uniqueness should be appreciated.

 

[Baron Greenback]

Yes, the whole "cup winner x X cup winner y" cross can just suck my plums. If I can't trace it back to a landrace within 2 crosses at the absolute maximum, I'm not really that interested.
I am possibly missing out on some amazing weed but the more hype there is, the less I am interested. For example, is GG4 going to be that much better than a nicely grown Malawi or a Panama?

 

[MadMac]

... i used the hybrid stuff the last 10 years in and outdoors and was fed up with that... i tried with my friends dozens hybrids from the best breeders available in netherland... most was crap... well the high is there buuuutttt high is not high... so mostly we all did not like the high... last year we had a chance to test Bangi Haze and original Malawi from Malawi and the high was totally different... best high in last 20 years so far.... also my friends had the same experience... thats why we now here because we like the clean genetics we found here @ ACE... The 100% Sativa Landraces and Hybrids are awesome as you can see here in the forum... i really felt in love with Malawi... my first Malawi is nearly ready and she is so beautiful... full of resin and smells like sweet carrot - mango... one of the beautifully plants i have grown in my life... I know now that i was wrong the last 10 years but very happy now that i have found ACE & there great genetic...
For me ACE should go on like they do now 100% satisfy.
Let the others do it...

 

[zachrockbadenof]

... i used the hybrid stuff the last 10 years in and outdoors and was fed up with that... i...
For me ACE should go on like they do now 100% satisfy.
Let the others do it...

amen to that... how many hrs have I sat in front of my computer waiting for a 'rez' drop... what a waste of time...

 

[kakaman]

amen to that... how many hrs have I sat in front of my computer waiting for a 'rez' drop... what a waste of time...

Dose anyone think Arjan may have had something to do Rezdogs arrest? Maybe cuz of what happened with Shantibaba taking his parent plants and leaving?

 

[Tiami]

Boo too this, I am so sick of these strains. Everything is crossed to diesel chem og crap. It's been years now of everyone doing the same thing, Ace strains may not be practical for me all the time but I am certainly grateful they are working on things other than these over hyped trends.

If you want strains like that there is plenty of brands that can supply it don't fill Ace's forum with bad ideas.

I defently apriciate ACE philosophy and unique genetics. they are one of few companies I would buy seeds from. but they are already making crosses with bubba and hasplant so I really don't see any reason why not make something like malawi glue. limited release of course. from selling prerspective it would be interesting I think.

cheers.

 

[JKD]

Yes, limited release but keep the original genetics available.

 

[MrBelvedere]

Why dose Ace or other seed companies not cross the strongest indica known to man with the strongest known sativa?

Would the f1 offspring not be almost uniform in phenotypes?

Wouldn't the plants surpass or equal the potency of the parents because of hybrid vigor?

If you crossed a female Sensi star clone with a female Zamaldelica clone that had it sex reversed to male wouldn't the seeds be almost all female because of the reversed Zamaldelica pollen?

Why not just make the cross yourself? It is easy to make a cross like that yourself... Let ACE focus on what they do best...

 

[Gerardbutler79]

Why not just make the cross yourself? It is easy to make a cross like that yourself... Let ACE focus on what they do best...

not everyone lives in a med state or has access to certain clones. also, what if the parent of chem lines is an afghani IBL of some kind? That would make it just like the uzbeki hashplant which alot of people seemed to like. A breeder named snowhigh was making landrace sativa crosses to modern clone only's and there's been nothing but great reports. Not hard to find with google. Unfortunately I believe he's been sick so its difficult to get ahold of his seeds now