WHO WAS FIRST TO SOG?

[Sam_Skunkman]

Anyone know who was first to SOG? Regardless of what they called it.
Who?
Where?
When?
Any reference in print, in a book or magazine?


I have heard it was SSSC in Holland, but I knew people in Oregon doing it before the SSSC folks were doing it. I knew the SSSC folks very well.
Any help appreciated!!

-SamS

 

[mrred]

if you take something like corn its been grow sog for a long time

 

[cannaboy]

ASK HOWARD. He'll know somebody..There was a specialist farmer connected to an australian Gangster, The grower was employed before his bust. A massive grow in FUGU in the PHILLIPINES was pllanned. I presume this specialist did sog and learned from someone before him, They did soil analysis ect..

 

[Abraham Lincoln]

Someone must of thrown a tray of just rooted clones into flower~ thus SoG was born

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Ed Rosenthal wrote of "Pacific North West" Fluorescent shelf gardens flowering clones small and close together back in one of his early books. These started out in the late 70's, but IIRC this info came in an updated version, late 80s. Don't think he mentioned the phrase a "Sea of Green" specifically, High Times was the first place I saw that, cannot remember if it was from the US, pre Operation Green Merchant, or Holland.

 

[gardenhose]

Hi Sam,

I spent a night a while back google searching this same topic. I have a feeling you already have more info on the subject than anything one could glean from web searches, since you were actually there on the scene.

I came across this NYT article from 1995: http://www.lectlaw.com/files/drg17.htm

This may be old info (and full of errors) to you but the article touches on the subject at a few points:

“As Wernard was quick to acknowledge, authorship for the Sea of
Green belongs to no one horticulturist but rather to hundreds of
gardeners working in dependently in the States and Netherlands and then sharing what they'd often in the columns of High Times and Sinsemilla Tips, a defunct quarterly that many growers refer to as "the bible."

“Now working indepently, he rented a house off campus and equiped it with a sophisticated growing system. Through a process of trial and error, Brian learned how to clone his Potomac Indica and more or less stumbled on the Sea of Green method for growing it.”

The article puts the technique arising w/ mj around 1987 or so…

I think I remember reading the US Army used hydro techniques as early as WWII…Perhaps early variations of the method were used on other types of crops?

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Anyone know who was first to SOG? Regardless of what they called it.
Who?
Where?
When?
Any reference in print, in a book or magazine?


I have heard it was SSSC in Holland, but I knew people in Oregon doing it before the SSSC folks were doing it. I knew the SSSC folks very well.
Any help appreciated!!

-SamS

SamS

The SOG process dates back over 4,000 years to China [cite] and then later it was used by the Greeks and even the Mayans. In the late 18th Century, farmers in France borrowed the process and re-named it the 'French Intensive' process.

Moving into the 20th Century it was Alan Chadwick (Britian) who brought together the Biodynamic and French intensive methods, as well as his own unique approach, to form what he called the Biodynamic-French Intensive method. The method was further developed by John Jeavons and Ecology Action into a sustainable 8-step food-raising method known as "GROW BIOINTENSIVE."

Ecology Action began in 1974 and is one of the major organizations to test and research advances and remain so to this day.

You might find it interesting to look at the science and history behind Ecology Action and its founder, John Jeavons.

HTH

CC

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Alan Chadwick, a name I have not heard in a while. My wife and I took classes in his Biodynamic-French Intensive method at the garden he ran at UCSC, in the early 1970's.
While similar it is not SOG, which to me takes vegetative clones and pack them in at high densities and flowers them from day one under short light cycles.
I knew Sinsemilla Tips publisher Tom Alexander, and would not be surprised if they were amongst the first to mention the method. I just don't remember offhand, as I never liked the results of lots of small buds, even if the yield was higher.
I know it was pre 1985 because before that I knew growers in Oregon using the method.
What I am really looking for is the first reference to the method, regardless of what it is called, that can be found in print. I was hoping someone might know, so I don't have to check my complete collection of Sinsemilla Tips, or my 250 grow book collection.
If anyone has an idea please post where I should look.
Thanks again,
-SamS

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Alan Chadwick, a name I have not heard in a while. My wife and I took classes in his Biodynamic-French Intensive method at the garden he ran at UCSC, in the early 1970's.
While similar it is not SOG, which to me takes vegetative clones and pack them in at high densities and flowers them from day one under short light cycles.
I knew Sinsemilla Tips publisher Tom Alexander, and would not be surprised if they were amongst the first to mention the method. I just don't remember offhand, as I never liked the results of lots of small buds, even if the yield was higher.
I know it was pre 1985 because before that I knew growers in Oregon using the method.
What I am really looking for is the first reference to the method, regardless of what it is called, that can be found in print. I was hoping someone might know, so I don't have to check my complete collection of Sinsemilla Tips, or my 250 grow book collection.
If anyone has an idea please post where I should look.
Thanks again,
-SamS

SamS

I apologize - I misunderstood your question.

The first reference to the term 'Sea of Green' that I read was in Alexander's 'Tips' magazine and it would have been in an article that would have appeared in one of the last 3 editions before he was forced to shut down after 'Black Thursday'

I believe it was in an article that was a 'grow diary' using rockwell cubes in a high-density set-up (plants were either 4 or 6" on center in large cubes of that size, i.e. if they were 6" on center then they were using 6" rockwell cubes) on an ebb & flow table. It's the article where the photo of the grow room was was printed upside down.

HTH

CC

 

[ReelBusy1]

SamS

I apologize - I misunderstood your question.

The first reference to the term 'Sea of Green' that I read was in Alexander's 'Tips' magazine and it would have been in an article that would have appeared in one of the last 3 editions before he was forced to shut down after 'Black Thursday'

I believe it was in an article that was a 'grow diary' using rockwell cubes in a high-density set-up (plants were either 4 or 6" on center in large cubes of that size, i.e. if they were 6" on center then they were using 6" rockwell cubes) on an ebb & flow table. It's the article where the photo of the grow room was was printed upside down.

HTH

CC

and they try to say weed affects your memory in a negative way?

nice recall sir!

 

[ourcee]

yeahhhh, SOG wasn't started with cannabis. haha.

growing lots of small plants instead of fewer big plants is no new practice.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Ourcee,
SOG, which refers to Sea Of Green is Cannabis specific.
Name the other crop that used small clones, kept under vegetative light hours, transplanted into high densities, under flowering light cycles from day one of being transplanted?
I can't think of one can you?
I know rice, wheat, fruit trees, and other crops are grown at high densities, but I can't think of one that is kept vegetative, transplanted, and flowered small immediately.
The advantage is twice the yield and no down time for the grow area, but I personally do not like the smaller buds and more manicuring per OZ.
It is not for me but I am interested in SOG history, so I am looking for info about Who and Where, and When it was first used for Cannabis.

-SamS

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Ourcee,
SOG, which refers to Sea Of Green is Cannabis specific.
Name the other crop that used small clones, kept under vegetative light hours, transplanted into high densities, under flowering light cycles from day one of being transplanted?
I can't think of one can you?
I know rice, wheat, fruit trees, and other crops are grown at high densities, but I can't think of one that is kept vegetative, transplanted, and flowered small immediately.
The advantage is twice the yield and no down time for the grow area, but I personally do not like the smaller buds and more manicuring per OZ.
It is not for me but I am interested in SOG history, so I am looking for info about Who and Where, and When it was first used for Cannabis.

-SamS

Carnations clones are planted in high densities and force flowered on 12/12 light cycles in the Glasshouse industry, think that technique has been around for a long time.

I have seen Norwegian Poly tunnels with 45 day conveyor belt base NFT systems and supplemental HPS, growing Lettuce planted in 6" spaces. What I really liked about that one was the plant one end, harvest the other, intelligent ergonomics for the workers.

Given this and other, probably better examples, I am not sure the idea did not come from someone who was already well aware of similar commercial Horticultural techniques.

 

[theHIGHlander]

ok since know1 knows,,am claming it ,,,,,it was me i was the first to SOG right back in the day ,,,you know right right back in the day,,,,,,,back when i was rollin Air jordans, left trouser leg rideing high, and bitches on ma arms, in da hood with ma lowrider and Notorious pumping on the sterio............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................wait i was dreaming.........................................................................................................surely its came from strawberry growing no? (just called something diff).....i go past miles of strawbeery fields every day and its like a SOG, all the way up the hills......just like LST,grafting, Screens ect ect ect, thay have all came from growing grapes/fruits........am going with SOG is a Ganja term only,,but could be called something different in other fields of growing

keep it green
S.O.G Jedi
Highlander

 

[h.h.]

After I first made fire me and Ugar were sitting smoking a blunt when I noticed the seeds we had been eating was sprouting in our shit. This gave me an idea and I started up my old John Deere, first plowing up a field and then shitting everywhere, becoming the first farmer. Ugar, being the caveman that he was, just kept shitting in the same spot in the cave. Under the high power lamps we were using before I invented fire they all sprouted. Thus Ugar was the first.

 

[bakunin15]

Ourcee,
SOG, which refers to Sea Of Green is Cannabis specific.
Name the other crop that used small clones, kept under vegetative light hours, transplanted into high densities, under flowering light cycles from day one of being transplanted?
I can't think of one can you?
I know rice, wheat, fruit trees, and other crops are grown at high densities, but I can't think of one that is kept vegetative, transplanted, and flowered small immediately.
The advantage is twice the yield and no down time for the grow area, but I personally do not like the smaller buds and more manicuring per OZ.
It is not for me but I am interested in SOG history, so I am looking for info about Who and Where, and When it was first used for Cannabis.

-SamS

I do not notice "smaller buds" when throwing a cutting directly into a flowering cycle the same day the roots show, in fact, I get much less of the popcorn bud you get in the lower half branches of an untransplanted plant from seed. I usually get a single cola thats super easy to manicure...but I guess this all depends on the strain, but everything I've tried so far works great and reduces flowering time on the haze hybreds, and increases yeild per footprint area...and If I notice any difference in potency its higher in a sog to me because you're only getting top cola dank.

 

[danny karey]

^^ Same results!! Giood post dude!!

Danny

 

[mrred]

one time i left a tray with a bunch of seedllings in peat pots and they survived on water and had tiny buds , i bet something like that was when someone invented sog or when some farmer didnt know what he was doing and planted his seeds to close

 

[jim dankness]

the earliest source i have in print is the SSSC's pamphlet "The Plantlet Method" edited by Ed Rosenthal and printed in '87.

but as Sam said, there's probably an earlier reference... and since they thank Cultivator's Choice on the first page, he probably already knew about this one!

ps. also thanked in the credits is one "Kyle 'buddy system' Roq"-- who is this guy?

 

[Leonard NeemOil]

Ringo's dealer?

As we live a life of ease(life of ease)
Every one of us(every one of us) has all we need,(has all we need)
Sky of blue,(sky of blue) and sea of green,(sea of green)
In our yellow(In our yellow) submarine.(submarine) ( Haha! )