Who has used Orthene or Permethrin?

[ganjalfthegreen]

Hey all,

Im wondering if there is anyone here who has used EclipseFour20's Orthene + Riptide mix to deal with Root Aphids?

We are in coco, and I went with his modified 2/3 recipe. Couldnt get my hands on riptide so we got 38% Permethrin which I diluted down to 5%. Dunked all the plants for 20 minutes, then let them sit overnight.

Following day we started with half strength nutrients and bene's. Foliar feeding twice a day with Humic, sm90, and a root product.

Plants don't seem to want to rebound too fast. I know that tonic is pretty hard on them so I'm trying to be patient but still, the leaves are dropping and don't seem to want to lift back up. Roots all look brown from the RA damage, but there are some new bright whites starting to come through (2 days after dunk)

I was expecting to see the edges burned as I have seen with other users but no burning so far.

Wondering if anyone has any input. I was going to try to post in the Root Aphid sticky but that thread seems to be headed in the wrong direction presently.

Thanks.

 

[Granger2]

> Root Aphid sticky but that thread seems to be headed in the wrong direction presently.

ganja,
How so? Thanks. -granger

 

[king oscar]

Permetherin and kontos works I wasn't sure about the orthene

 

[ganjalfthegreen]

Granger2, all the recent posts are guys fighting over bti prices or some shit. I have read most of those posts along with all of eclipsefour20's posts and cant seem to find info on what im experiencing. Especially since i did the 2/3 recipe. This round wasnt nearly ad infected ad the last. I put the girls in the dunk bath and they looked quitr good before they went in. Now all the leaves are drooped. Looks like oveeltwatering but it isnt.

Wondering why some users are reporting no ill effects at all, and im stalled right the fuck out. I know this combo doesnt need to be done a second time as i dont see any live ra's, but I'm not wanting to have to dose them again if this idnwhst it does to them.

 

[DocTim420]

A year or so ago, I was picked up some plants from a buddy grower that was "retiring" and I really wanted the genetics but not the root aphids, fungus gnats and ???? that he was also growing in the coco grow medium. I contemplated in cloning the plants to the stem then tossing what was left, but they did not look really good. Wispy branches, new growth had zero vigor, so I cloned a few of the top branches (to save the genetics) and tried a modified version of Eclipse's Orthene dunk recipe.

Instead of dunking the containers I simply drenched the plants with 1/2 gallon of the following drench (2 pitchers containing 32 oz each poured simultaneously on soil surface--insuring the grow medium was drenched), and I left the runoff in the saucer for a few days. Eventually, most of runoff either absorbed back into the soil or evaporated by the time I dumped what remained in the saucers.

1 gallon water
1 gram of SeaGrow 16-16-16 (water soluble fertilizer)
5 ml of Riptide (cheap source for pyrethrin)
2 grams of Acephate (generic Orthene)
2 ounces of fine powdered diatomaceous earth (food grade)

Stir well before each application.

Each plant in a 5 gallon container received 64 ounces, or half of the above ingredients and it worked like a champ. No more root aphids or fungus gnats, just healthy plants and I did clone those plants to the stem. A close inspection of the soil/root ball of his plants showed nothing but healthy stuff. No white gummy pasty residual in the soil and all the roots showed signs of strong growth. I did not experience any leaf drop or other adverse effects and had no reason to repeat the treatment.

I try to stay close to organic principles as much as I can, but once I understood the short half-life of Acephate and that it DOES NOT hurt the soil or harm bacteria, I figured a onetime use of synthetic/chems is better than an expensive forever battle with organic remedies.

 

[ganjalfthegreen]

That info is priceless man thank you.

So another question is the grams to mL....

He says in his thread that 1 ml = 1 gram for the orthene so i just wanted to ask if you did that or weighed out the orthene? 15 mL only weighed 7 grams on my scale so i just followed his write up.

I should have got riptide but instead i bought the 36.8% thinking i needed more. Wrong.

I wasnt sure how to dilute it properly from 36.8 to 5%. I ended up just using 1/6th of the total needed for 5%.

Anywho i have no buga but the leaves will not straighten bavk out. They look like they have been watered too much. They are still growing, the leaves are just saying that something is fucked still. The roots are all brown and i cant seem to get any new white roots going. Fml.

 

[DocTim420]

I got the generic variety so I weighed it. Logic I used was--each plant was to receive about 1 gram of Acephate. When working with most dry products, I weigh it; the volume method (ml & cups) can be easy but not very accurate in both cides and ferts.

I recall the 10 grams of Acpehate (the amount I weighed) was more than 10 ml--maybe 15+.

If you roots are beaten up, then I would focus on root rehab as soon as possible (Rhizotonic is good but pricey). I prefer a cocktail of Hormex and Growmore's JumpStart at the rate of 2.5ml/gal along with an all purpose water soluble fertilizer (like 1 gram/gal of SeaGrow 16-16-16 or similar product) as my go to root tonic. But you get the idea.

Good luck man!