Which Landraces for growing @ 10,000 ft?

[TerpeneDream]

Hey all,

So I'm looking for Landraces that will do well in my cold, high, and dry growing local. Elevation is close to 10k...

Now I'm pretty sure there are Indicas that fit this description, but aren't there also high elevation sativas?

Looking for strains you guys have had the most success growing in similar climates, and which strains your head/body most prefers...

Also, Where do you source these 'true' landraces anyway?!

Thanks...

 

[bombadil.360]

hello,

your best bet would be highland Colombians and Nepalis.

10k feet elevation is about 3000 meters above sea level, that's a lot, so you need very special plants. Even though if I were you and had extra beans laying around, I'd experiment with those, maybe some phenos will grow to like said environment. growing so high up has its limitations, basically finding the right seed that bears the whole deal.

try the guys at ace, they may recommend you something. check out their sub-forums.

probably Nepalis would be better for you if you are in a latitude with shorter flower periods than say Colombia, which is basically year-round.

good luck!

 

[Rinse]

"This makes the Malana strain, which is accustomed to the harsh weather at 3000m in the Himalaya, well suited for adapting to outdoors in more northern regions." - Quote from Malana Cream description, from RSC.

 

[BOMBAYCAT]

I'm trying Ace Seeds Nepal Jam which is recommended for colder up north climates, mold resistant etc. I'm at 6000 feet and 40 degrees north and most varieties don't finish really well outdoors here. Your elevation seems extreme for pure Sativas so would you consider a hybred?

 

[hush]

Anything based on nepalese (himalayan) genetics.

 

[SooperSmurph]

With that kind of elevation you may be facing extremely short growing seasons, an autoflowering strain might be the way to go.

 

[bombadil.360]

With that kind of elevation you may be facing extremely short growing seasons, an autoflowering strain might be the way to go.

just to be clear: elevation does not determine photoperiod; latitude does.

highlands in Ecuador, for example, Quito, almost 10k feet above sea level, or about 2800 meters above sea level, has 12/12 year-round.

you can grow pure sativas all you want... if you start them in march, you can easily harvest them in december or even january of the coming year, depending on how long they veg and flower for....

I like Rinse's recommendation.

peace

 

[SooperSmurph]

just to be clear: elevation does not determine photoperiod; latitude does.

highlands in Ecuador, for example, Quito, almost 10k feet above sea level, or about 2800 meters above sea level, has 12/12 year-round.

you can grow pure sativas all you want... if you start them in march, you can easily harvest them in december or even january of the coming year, depending on how long they veg and flower for....

I like Rinse's recommendation.

peace

But at higher elevations frost sets in much earlier in the fall, and stays later in the spring. If he's restricted to late spring and summer for a grow season, that narrows his strain choices down quite a bit.

He can chime in and correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't think he's on a tropical mountain.

 

[Jhhnn]

But at higher elevations frost sets in much earlier in the fall, and stays later in the spring. If he's restricted to late spring and summer for a grow season, that narrows his strain choices down quite a bit.

He can chime in and correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't think he's on a tropical mountain.

Yep. He's apparently here in Colorado, up in the mountains. As we both know, it's a very short growing season, with long photoperiod & low overnight temps, even in the summer.

He might be alright with some semi-autoflowering Canadian strains, but 'd think that true autoflowers would be the best bet. At that, I'd start them indoors or in a cold frame, cover them overnight to protect against frost. The official growing season in Leadville, for example, is only 25 days-

http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/garden/07220.html

Mid June to first week of September (maybe) is all the growing season there is, even for very hardy frost resistant plants not native to the area. High elevation in Colorado is a very tough outdoor grow.

 

[bombadil.360]

holy cow! 25 days for flowering in the season or the whole season?

keep in mind that even though auto-flowers may finish in shorter grow seasons, I dunno if they can handle the altitude?

I've tried growing high altitude Colombians at a little bit over 4000 meters (12,000feet), did not work at all... I think after 3000 or 3200 meters above sea level, it is not worth it trying to grow... maybe in some sort of very well equipped and technologically advanced greenhouse...

peace

 

[Jhhnn]

holy cow! 25 days for flowering in the season or the whole season?

keep in mind that even though auto-flowers may finish in shorter grow seasons, I dunno if they can handle the altitude?

I've tried growing high altitude Colombians at a little bit over 4000 meters (12,000feet), did not work at all... I think after 3000 or 3200 meters above sea level, it is not worth it trying to grow... maybe in some sort of very well equipped and technologically advanced greenhouse...

peace

25 days between the last frost of spring & the first frost of fall.

I don't think it's an issue of altitude here in Colorado, but rather of climate, of cold overnight temps. The high Rockies are an extension, an island of climactic conditions & flora existing much further north in Canada. Extreme day/night temperature swings are common, particularly in summer.

Much of Afghanistan exists at high altitude, and the ruderalis ancestors of autoflowers are adapted to harsh, short growing seasons in central Russia, so I figure they're the best bet.

 

[theJointedOne]

Interesting thread.

I live around 5000' in northern california, in an area which gets the some of the highest differences of high/low temps in the state besides death valley i think...

A greenhouse would be optimal but still, unless you have a lot of capitol to throw at the project, a nice dialed in gh isnt cheap. I like to put them out in the sun.

Thanks for the idea about the nepal region's genes. Those are going to be fun to play around with. Im not a fan of the ruderalis..so i stay away from auto's. There is a clone in norcal, its a sensi seeds mr nice selection, its done mid september and is easy to grow ect...Its fun trying to find stuff that works well up here.

cool topic

 

[Jhhnn]

Interesting thread.

I live around 5000' in northern california, in an area which gets the some of the highest differences of high/low temps in the state besides death valley i think...

A greenhouse would be optimal but still, unless you have a lot of capitol to throw at the project, a nice dialed in gh isnt cheap. I like to put them out in the sun.

Thanks for the idea about the nepal region's genes. Those are going to be fun to play around with. Im not a fan of the ruderalis..so i stay away from auto's. There is a clone in norcal, its a sensi seeds mr nice selection, its done mid september and is easy to grow ect...Its fun trying to find stuff that works well up here.

cool topic

Yep. You enjoy a much longer growing season than in the high Rockies.

From rather humble beginnings, autoflowers have come a long, long way, and they'll only get better as they're worked by good breeders.

Years ago, I had the connections & the financial means to be somewhat of a pot snob- I could tell the difference, and I still can. When I came back to growing after the passage of A64, I grew Samsara Ultraviolet to get some stash, and was very pleasantly surprised by the taste, strong aroma & potency. My long time toker friends liked it too. Very old school skunky stuff. I think they're a solid way to grow for some people, in a lot of different situations.

Planted the first of June, they'll be ready mid August when other varieties are just beginning to flower. Guerrilla growers can harvest them and photoperiod varieties later. Staying small, they're quite stealthy, other than the smell. They have their place in the assets of growers everywhere. Definitely not bunk.

 

[Gert Lush]

For what little it's worth, the famous hash-producing weed of the Chitral Valleys of the Hindu Kush grows between 2000 and 3000 metres or more, and is picked very late (Oct-Nov?), sometimes it's already snowing, and I understand it will tolerate light snow falls without wilting.

OTOH, the valleys there are quite dry, I'm not sure what sort of humidities you're dealing with in the High Rockies of CO. (Wish I was there, though, there's all sorts of stuff I'd try! Including autos, which some folk have already mentioned.)

 

[Gert Lush]

As for Nepalese genetics, be aware that they can vary a lot, from stuff which grows in dry rain-shadows, to stuff that grows in tropical lowlands. Be sure you know what you are getting.

I love ACE's Nepali based stuff, grown lots of it, but I do not think it will fare well in wet environments. Personally, I would hesitate to try it in a harsh mountain environment.

Real Seed Co is a good port of call, they bring in various exotic landraces (pure, unselected) from time to time, and are very knowledgeable about natural environments.

 

[satva]

He's apparently here in Colorado, up in the mountains.

calientecarlos here on IV - has a "Colorado outdoor" thread, with a mountain view. He's doing something right, from the looks of post #212 in his thread , posted on August 15.

Sept 5 in Denver 5,800 feet -sunrise is 6:30 AM and sunset is 7:30 PM about 13 / 11. I started flowering my three (amendment 64) micro females August 17, by moving the plants into a dark shed till 9:00 AM. The three clones getting natual light are not yet flowering - Mango haze, Highland Guerrero x Blueberry , Destroyer x Pakistan Chitral Kush.

The Colorado State link shows 155 day growing season in Denver, about May 15 - October 15. Does any know when a haze hybrid like say Mango haze would start flowering outdoor in Denver?

Its been cold every time I've been to Leadville and we only visit in summertime. My favorite Leadville gardening story. I complemented the gardening effort and difficulty of growing spinach and salad greens at such high altitude. He said, we don't eat much greens, only grow enough to attract the deer.

I agree with the NepJam (Nepal x Jamacian) and Real Seed Company. Remember Nepal's latitude is the same as the Gulf of Mexico around New Orleans. I'd guess, you'd have to be at a higher in elevation in Nepal - to have the same climate as Leadville 10,000 feet above sea level ~ 25 day growing season.

 

[great brozini]

Lots of great info here, nothing to add personally, but wanted to say thanks to all those chiming in

 

[theJointedOne]

Im hoping to try and blend some afghan and some african to find one that does well for my elevation.

The ethiopian always seemed like it would blend well with the afghani or the pakistani....we'll see

 

[Gert Lush]

Does any know when a haze hybrid like say Mango haze would start flowering outdoor in Denver?

Damn late, just like anywhere else.
My Mango Haze hybrids (50°N, sea level) are only starting to flower now. Of course they will be flowered indoors. I only veg them outside.

Go with South Africans or Lebanese (or Morrocans if you can find them) if you want stuff that flowers real early. A lot of Esbe's Danish stuff is Leb based, I believe with good reason. Come to think of it, maybe that's what you want - the stuff that the Scandinavian people are growing!

 

[Gert Lush]

Im hoping to try and blend some afghan and some african to find one that does well for my elevation.

The ethiopian always seemed like it would blend well with the afghani or the pakistani....we'll see

Did you try the Ethiopian on its own, and if so, how did it do?