Which Haze used in SSH?

[Mimpi Manis]

Couldn't find anything online about exactly which Haze was used in the making of SSH? Haze A or C perhaps?

 

[Tynehead Tom]

When I first saw them listed in the mail order catalog out of vancouver bc back in the late 90's early 2000's there was first a Silver Haze and then a year , maybe 2 later Super Silver Haze was listed. Not sure of the pedigree but I might still have a couple of those old catalogs in boxes I have not unpacked since moving in 4 years ago LOL most listings had details on breeder and parents of the variety listed.

 

[clearheaded]

Haze A is what i recall being said.. I am sure some versions use 'nevilles' haze aswell.

 

[kushumpeng]

Pretty sure is haze C. Haze A is supposedly in Nevilles haze.

 

[GoatCheese]

Pretty sure is haze C. Haze A is supposedly in Nevilles haze.

Yes it’s Haze C
SSH is NL5xHzC female pollinated with SkunkxHzC male

 

[Goodherb]

Pretty sure is haze C. Haze A is supposedly in Nevilles haze.

A little off topic. It's your handler, nostalgia !

 

[clearheaded]

"SSH was created by crossing Nevil’s selected NL5 x Haze A to a Skunk x Haze A male. It won 1st place in the Hydro category of the 1997 Cannabis Cup. SSH was entered in the 1998 Cup and won 1st place in the Hydro category again and overall 1st place that year. " - shantibaba

https://thestrainsupply.ca/the-origins-of-haze/

several other things quoted from sam etc on this site. trust shantibaba more then "potguide" or wherever you guys got the haze c. ​

 

[GoatCheese]

Here’re quotes from Nevil and Shanti. The links don’t work anymore since the platform change at MNS forums.

Here’s a bit from Nevil who created SSH …maybe he knew best what went into it:

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Hz C male produced 5Hz1 which won a Cup or 2, this was a daughter of NL5 which won a cup. 5Hz1 when crossed with Sk1x HzC produced [Super] Silver Haze which won a Cup. Ben renamed it Jack Herrer. Somebody else renamed it Diesel. 5HzC X Sk1Hz C was not as good as 5Hz1. Mango Haze (5Hz122)is a full sister to 5Hz1 and these two were the best out of tens of thousands.
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http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/57277-post30.html

Here’s Shanti

Hi All

just to clear the air from confusion and before you all go making a legend from myth here is how it was done and is done still....

Nh is made from Haze C male which is made by two pure haze parents from 1969....then the female side of NH is made from Haze A combined to NL5 or NL5Haze A where Haze A was also made by two pure Haze parents also from 1969

Haze A is no longer alive only Haze C male is along with several other different sativa lines.

but plants with the lineage of Haze A are still alive and carrying the genes within.

SSH is made up of Haze C combined to Skunk 1 or Skunk HzC which is the male side, the female side is Haze C combined to NL5 or NL5HzC

the Mango comes from a parallel cross same as SSH but with one difference

Haze A male combined to Sk 1 or Sk HzA being the male plant, the female is NL5HzC....that is the breeding of those three plants

considering the Haze A is no longer a male alive, it still is alive in the ancestry of some of the plants used in all these breeds
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All the best now off to Bologna for a 3 day fair....take care
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all the best,
Shantibaba
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/nevilles-haze/55-mr-nice-nevilles-haze-3.html#post2064

 

[Mimpi Manis]

Well its a little more complicated than I thought. Still no shortage of views. But seems the input from Shanti is probably (more or less) the definitive answer? Namely SSH is all from the HazeC side of the mix. With the HazeA ending up in the Mango. (And my KA5!). I once crossed out a GHS SSH to my 40 year old heirloom. The males from that were tall robust plants with lots of male flowers that kept on coming. The only female was all Mango... yet the genetic background is supposedly all HazeC? This breeding thing seems to be a bit of a crap shoot if one is looking for something in particular... especially if you don't have room for a 1000 plant run!

Currently have a GHS SSH into about three weeks of flower. That sour/limey funk I remember from the first one I ran is very noticeable. Very agreeable it is. I also have a White Lemon I crossed to a SBD male (BD bx SSH) It has big chunky buds, strong upright branches, abundant fat pistils and limey as... without the other underlying SSH funk. Do most of the SSH versions have that typical limey funk as a benchmark... or just the GHS version?

A minor digression: So SSH is the same as Jack Herer? Which means C99 owes its roots to HazeC... and after that to SSH/JH? Incestuous business isn't it? Pic is of SBD via New420 Guy. Thanks for the input guys.

PS: Is it just me... or are others struggling with the new platform? Just tried to upload an image. It allowed me to load an image directly from computer onto page but wouldn't post without a URL. When I tried to get URL link via albums... I couldn't find them? Where the hell are albums accessed from now?

 

[GoatCheese]

Well its a little more complicated than I thought.

It's not complicated at all. Read the quote from Nevil i posted earlier. Nevil created SSH so he knows what Haze male he used.
SSH is NL5/HazeC x Skunk/HazeC
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Mango is a fairly common smell in sativas all over the world. My G13Haze keeper also comes from HazeC and it has mild mango-pineapple fruity notes.

 

[clearheaded]

its interesting the shanti said both.. perhaps seperate SSH? ie maybe greenhouse used teh mangos sh A line? doesnt really matter. and prob more to the story to why he said A one time and C another. perhaps changed once a died? no idea. i am sure diging around the MNS forums would give more info...

 

[clearheaded]

Also on mr nice description mango uses the SAME father as SSH and as goat quoted that the haze A was used in mango that lines up with the ssh being haze a not C. and the C being the female side of mango (ie its difference).. so something isnt adding up

also nevil i dunno who thought SSH was another name for diesel?? and jack herer is a bit different gentics which is not only documented it can be seen in phylos(def similar in several ways). so seems a bit weird. almost like an ego driven type guy that thinks he created diesel aswell lol. BUT did great things which takes a certain type of person! all love. just funny taking credit for the diesel likely during its height of popularity.

but again if of concern u could just ask mr nice and greenhouse and see what u get back all we have is what they say.

 

[GoatCheese]

I think the “Diesel” Nevil talks about is a plant in the Dutch/Amsterdam coffeeshop circles ...not the Diesel in USA or ECSD


When it comes to Nevil's lines i wouldn't 100% trust what Shanti says about them. He has made mistakes about nevil's lines before like when he's talking about Nevil's Maple Leaf-afghanis and Ortega

When Nevil says SSH is NL5/HazeC x Skunk/HazeC, i would leave it at that.
Peace

 

[Mimpi Manis]

It's not complicated at all. Read the quote from Nevil i posted earlier. Nevil created SSH so he knows what Haze male he used.
SSH is NL5/HazeC x Skunk/HazeC

I meant complicated mostly re the divergence of information. Its a minefield out there in Haze world . But I've definitely got it now! Yeh... I remember mango smell in plants back in the late 60's early 70's. Given most stuff grown in these parts was SE Asian origin, possibly not an uncommon sativa trait.

 

[CaptainDankness]

I would just say that it's (Skunk x Haze) x (NL#5 x Haze). Lol

For one Haze C is a male and nobody has smoked it just made seeds with it. You can probably find a male in Neville's Haze just as good if not better. That's what Rare Dankness did with Ghost Train Haze, (Neville's Haze x Trainwreck) x with some kind of OG, I believe it was. Won a cup and had the most potent weed in the world for a little while.

About the same amount of Haze as SSH just crossed to danker plants than Skunk#1 and NL#5. Really surprised I haven't heard of a Super Glue yet. Lol, so many possibilities with them genetics, Blue Dream took over the west coast and it was only SSH X Blueberry. Not much point arguing over which Haze parents, more so what you can find or make in a cross.

 

[Tynehead Tom]

I would just say that it's (Skunk x Haze) x (NL#5 x Haze). Lol

For one Haze C is a male and nobody has smoked it just made seeds with it. You can probably find a male in Neville's Haze just as good if not better. That's what Rare Dankness did with Ghost Train Haze, (Neville's Haze x Trainwreck) x with some kind of OG, I believe it was. Won a cup and had the most potent weed in the world for a little while.

About the same amount of Haze as SSH just crossed to danker plants than Skunk#1 and NL#5. Really surprised I haven't heard of a Super Glue yet. Lol, so many possibilities with them genetics, Blue Dream took over the west coast and it was only SSH X Blueberry. Not much point arguing over which Haze parents, more so what you can find or make in a cross.

funny you mention a super glue LOL
I am holding the original glue cut and me and a buddy have spent the winter going thru a couple hundred SSSDH IX1 (rez beans) and several packs of SSSDH (ojd beans) and SSSDH f2 ( ojd stock made by beanz) hunting out nice males.
Now I am just waiting on june planting time in the greenhouse (52N) and that glue will be meeting up with the final selections from those males
Have to call it Super Duper Diesel Glue
Glue x my F3 male of Biker Kush is gonna be real intersting too

 

[flylowgethigh]

What was the male / female ratio from those seedbay SSSDH and IXI beans, if you kept track. Did you finish any of the females? Pics?

 

[Tynehead Tom]

More females than males across the board
2 100 packs of rez IX1
3 packs of ojd original stock
30 something f2 seeds of former seedbay contributor beanz that he sent me from his personal stock that I assumed were also ojd stock.
No females flowered yet we have a lot of them between the two of us. I think I have 8 or 9 total
to be honest I am more interested in the males but we will be flowering out some females to do some incrossing of the 3 "lines"
No pics yet but I do have a strawberry hill gardens grow diary going again for 2021 that will get busier soon