whats wrong with my chem x c-99s

[stevr59]

hey every one i just transplanted my baby's from 6 oz Dixie cups last week i was using MG organic potting soil only and a week later they started to look like they was low in N. here a pic of them in the dixie cups



so i mixed a new batch of potting soil
Soil
1 Gallon Black Kow COW MANURE
1/2 Gallon MG Organic
1/2 Gallon perlite

Ammendments
1.5 cup blood meal
1 cup bone meal
1.25 cup lime

now here a pic of them a week after being transplanted to bigger pots
seems like there getting worse to me i did give a low dose of fish emlsuion 5.1.1 yesterday and it seem there getting worse. i do have gh 3 part flora, floranova and MG 28 16 8 ferts. should i use any of these or do they need to be transplanted again. all so i found spider mite today to if i cant get the mite under control i will be forced to tranplant them out side which i didn't want to do just yet but may be the only way i can save em from the mites. all so i don't want to lose em since jlp was nice anought to give me some chem x c-99 seeds i got one in the hyrdo thats starting to do sweet but don't know if its a male or female yet. what do you guy think i should do with them before it get any worse?

 

[Guest]

Are those Rapid Rooter plugs, and if so did you have roots out of them when they were in beer cups or were they just breaking through the plastic net. Did you tear the net away when you transplanted.

How long have you been using this soil mix, it sounds pretty hot for such young plants. Seedlings have all the nutes they need for about the first month of growth, it sounds like you've been growing long enough to know this. Not to sound facitious, but you gave very little to go on, I'm pondering the obvious first.

Did you wait for them to settle in before blasting them with "cures"? Nute, water and transplant stress are things to be avoiding for healthy plants IMHO. My gut is telling me that the MG potting mix was too hot for sprouts, and sent the PH way out of wack, stressing the plants. Then they went into transplant shock, aggravated by removing them from the hot mix they were trying to get used to and putting them into a vastly different medium with yet another PH thumbprint. Not to mention clobbering them with nutes and ammendments and sending them further into shock with the sudden shifts in PH, locking out who knows what at this point, they sound like they are in a downward spiral.

If they were mine, I'd grab them some peat, vermeculite, garden lime. I'd mix it up and moisten lightly. Then I would carefully remove the plants and rinse the rootballs, making sure that they roots are free. I would repot in the new mix, and water with a pinch of baking soda to lower mix PH, until they drain freely. Then I'd place them on a warm shelf 3" under strong florescents and wait for signs of improvement, sometimes overnight, other times up to 2 weeks.

As for the mites, weak or sick plants are the buffet they want. When sprouts are that young chemicals will hurt, and if you caught the mites before a full infestation I'd try washing them in room temp soapy water and rinse. I've used a shot of plain old milk in a mister of water before, and noticed that mites would rather go after an easier target. Same to be said for a mild citrus mist made from orange peels in the blender, with a drop or two or liquid dish detergent. If you have mites, something needs to be tweaked in your environment. As young as they look, I'd wager that adjusting the ventilation and humidity would discourage mite development and a mild natural mix mist would kill off any live adults and destroy any eggs that may have been laid. Have they staked out their claim by a web yet? If not, you got them ealry enough in their invasion and should be able to clean them out easy enough before they get out of hand. Any sick or weak plants are targets and need to be nursed back to health or they will get clobbered, and you will have a full-blown infestation on your hands to fight.

Hope that helps a little, just observations from the hip. More info offered would harvest more direct advice from the pros, who will no doubt pop in and advise when needed.

Good luck, hope you clean out the borgs before they settle in for real damage that can get to be a real pain to clean out after the fact. Easier to catch them early and remove them than fight a full blown infestation.

See ya in chat...........

 

[Guest]

did you mean cups or tbsp for those ammendments ?

 

[stevr59]

thanks guy for the fast reply ok here the scoop i started them off in jiffy pellets till the roots broke out and no i didn't break the netting apart, which was a week after germinating .then i transplanted them to MG organic potting soil only, in 6 oz dixie cups for 2 weeks then they stared getting pale green. so some one here gave me there soil recipe which was what i said in the post above. they been in the new mix 2 weeks now. i realy have never had much luck growing in soil . i transplanted 2 to the SWC and one died and the other didn't do to well for about a week, till it re coved and now it doing great. as the mite go i didn't know i had em in till last nite when i found the webs so i am using the mite exrater recipe which seem to work last year. seems i get mite ever winter and if that stuff don't work i will go back with the hot shot no pest strip as well. all of my plants are now 4 week old and they seem to be small other than the one in the swc which is a lot bigger than the soil ones i may pick the best soil one and try to transplant it to the swc today the other i am not sure what the best route to take i have no fund as of now to buy any other stuff you guy think i could re mix my soil and use the stuff i have on hand. and if i can come up with some cash in the next few days i might be able to run to the next city from me and pick some fox farm potting soil up if that would work better than what i am using now. and WHY ME i used cups not teaspoons and that made 2 gallons of soil . OH i for got to add there in the mother room of a new ganja boi grow box under 80 watts of flos and only fert i gave em was the other day and it was a low dose of 5 1 1 fish emulsion

 

[Blackvelvet]

That new soil mix is going to kill those eventually. Take them out of the pots. Wash off the offending soil as much as possible. Transplant to promix or other neutral soil mix with out bs added except lime or gypsum. promix is limed and requires no more. You may want to add about 1/3 extra perlite to the mix to get good drainage since your indoors and not in sun. You might want to sink the seedlings a little deeper in the pots since the bottom leaves are dead and the plant is sorta leggy. Roots should come out the stem if your lucky. Begin feeding floranova grow at maybe 4ml per gallon of water or gh 3 part 7.5ml grow, 5 micro, 3.33 ml bloom. (since you already have these) Provide max light. If you only have florescents, they should be only an inch or so away. Adjust the ph of your nutrient solution after mixing to about 6 using ph up or down.

 

[Guest]

Good advice, lacking money or transportation, not to mention availability of promix, peat moss is cheap but needs the garden lime and add a pinch of baking soda to water to pull PH down instead of chemicals - I used to use it in a pinch out of season and finally went with homemade promix over last few years. One thing I've learned is natural is better, organic always provides what's needed with minimum hassel, chemical nutes and ammendments always toss the PH around, and sudden PH shifts can cause more damage than it's worth.

Good luck...

 

[stevr59]

thank guy i will see what i can do but my proublem around here is no one sell promix all they sell here is mg potting soil or hypornex potting soil i can get some ff potting soil from the hyrdo store hell may be they sell pro mix i will check with them and see.

 

[Guest]

hey stevr59, black velevet is rite. that mix will killem for sure. do a double check on those ammendments tho. i'm sure you should of been using tbsp, not cups.
you will do much better with pro-mix. if the hydro shop doesn't have it most nurseries use it in large quanities. just transplant ASAP. good luck

 

[stevr59]

well guys seem my nearest hyrdo store is no longer in business so there went my chance to pic up some pro mix or fox farm soil. i know better than to go to home depot for peat since they don't have noting but mg potting soil i will try some local nursery and see if they have any peat . i transplanted one to the swc and i notice when i wash the soil off the roots never grew into the soil with the added Ammendments and they been in that mix for 2 weeks

 

[B.C.]

That mix dose seem a lil hot

That mix dose seem a lil hot

First ya need ta realize,when ya make yer own soil mix it needs set fer a couple of weeks so the ph has a chance ta ballance it's self out.Wet it up like there is a plant in it and let it set a couple of weeks,you could even stir it around ta speed up the process.Yull have a lot better results,trust me.....Now,after lookin at yer plants imo they need more water.Those plugs act like a wick stickin up above the soil line,bury em deeper next time.The reason I think they jus need more water is the top of the plants look nice and green,no signs of burnin,or ph problems.If the soil was too hot or the ph was that far off it would affect the whole plant and they would be dead already.There is a big differnce form the first pic.ta the second.Those bottom leaves turnin yellow an diein are imo a sign of bein under watered.If for some reason ya feel ya must change the soil,jus mix 20-25% cow poo along with 25-30% perlite inta yer MG pottin soil and thats it.The MG sould have lime in it ta keep the (pete) ph in check and the cow poo compost should be ph balanced on it's own.I think yull be fine though,jus(plain) water alil more often.Well,let us know how it goes.Good luck and take care...BC

 

[Guest]

yeah, the roots don't want to grow into that strong of a soil. get em transplanted, water em and give a week or so recovery time, you should be good.
BC has a point about mixing soil ahead of time. take that advice with ya for the future. ya got em transpalnted yet? lol

 

[B.C.]

I think I'd tansplant anyway (too) lol

I think I'd tansplant anyway (too) lol

I still stand behind my opinion of them bein too dry though.I think the roots didn't grow inta the new soil because the ph was so far outa whack.When ever ya add bonemeal and esp bloodmeal it will take yer ph way off untill the micro critters get it back in check,usaully a couple a weeks.His mix dose seem purty damn strong (who gave ya the mix recipe?) but so far they show NO signs of burnin,even the dead leaves are not burnt,jus sucked dry ta save the top of the plant.Later down the road they might burn when things start breakin down,It dosen't happen all at once ya know,it takes quite awile.This is the reason I would transplant.Come harvest time this is still goin ta be feedin the plants and end up gettin locked up in it,makin it taste like shit and not burn right.So,like I said before 20-25% compost 25-30% perlite mixed with yer MG (wich is more pete than any thing) and I think yull be good ta go.Jus feed em yer bottled nutes.Also,I'd make a few more holes in the bottom of the pots fer drainage and fer AIR ta them roots,if ya do this ya won't ever have ta worry about over waterin them.....Promix is good stuff but fer someone jus learnin ta grow,soil is SO much more forgiving. Later,BC

 

[stealthballer]

you got a little happy with the additives on that soil, I use the same shit, cept I only add like a couple table spoons of blood and bone meal and lately I have been going almost half and half with the perlite. I have noticed the soil is lacking in magnesium so I use a light solution of epsom salts and distilled water every third watering. Additionally I have this grow round been adding a touch of fish emulsion and the yellowing has be very managable. Which organic MG soil did you get? the one for pots or the one for outdoors, I used the outdoor stuff mixed with the potting soil mixed with the perlite and the meal nutes and some cheap as shit dollar store soil and am pretty satisfied. I live in the boonies so I gotta work with what I can find which aint shit really. There is a local mom and pop nursery and they have their own potting soil I just found out so next go round I am going to try them out. Maybe I will get lucky and they will have the holy grail... GOOD LUCK

 

[stevr59]

well guys i am leanring the hard way i should have know that was to much bone and blood meal but oh well fixing to try again i would re pot to nite but i am all out of perlite. i called arounf town and no one here carrys promix, but i just need to get them going good till planting time which should be in a few more weeks now i have sandy loam soil here any idea on what to do with that wile i still have time i got my stop pick out. last year i just dug a hole and dumped a bag of fox farm in and did good. but now i cant get fox farm well not any time soon. all we can get here is bone and blood meal cow manure peat and potting soil thats about it. stealthballer i got the MG organic potting soil mix i all so live in the boonies my self so kind of hard finding what i need around here, but as soon as i get back to work i will go ahead and order what i need but till then i got to do with what i can find locally. but i do have to say hyrdo is a lot easer than growing in soil lol but i am working om making my own compost an fixing to bulid me some worm bins as well, one other thing i still got 2 gallon of that bad mix left any idea on what to do with it would it be ok to mix out doors or just spread it around the yard ?

 

[hogwild]

i would just use that extra mix as an amendment to a new grow spot in your yard, or an amendment to your other outdoor plants, you can mix it with your sandy loam and add perlite and you will probably have a mix thats suitable for transplanting larger plants into... the seedlings cant handle it but it doesnt mean that a full size plant wouldnt love the stuff...

 

[Guest]

i'd just give it someone i don't like. peace.

 

[B.C.]

i'd just give it someone i don't like. peace.

No wonder ya get poked ya in the eye Why Me.Jus kiddin.lol.... Hey Stevr,if ya put these outdoors in a couple aweeks from now wont they be ina 12-12 cycle under the sun ? Btw if yer lookin fer somethin ta grow in outdoors,I would suggest mooshroom compost.It's very cheap,wont burn yer plants and ya can get it about anywhere,Wally world,Lowes,Home depot,etc.A bag of that and some of the hot soil you got mixed would work very well outdoors.I have had great luck with it.This reminds me.Agood rule of thumb when usein blood and bone meals,use half as much blood as ya do bone.the reasoning behind this,the N will be used up about the time yer plants flower leavin the bone meal which is higher in P but still has some N ta carry it through.And it's very important ta get that shit in the ground way before ya plant,even the fall before wont hurt a thing,but at least acouple weeks ahead of time....Outdoors is where I learned ta grow.Talk about usein whats available.I'd go ta the woods fer my soil,ya know that top layer of leaf compost,then I'd go ta the cow pasture and chicken coup fer my ferts and top it all of with ascoop er two of wood ashes from the wood stove.I'd make a compost pile with this stuff,all year long addin kichten scraps,fish guts and carcuses,etc... hell about anything that would break down.lol But I'll tell ya what I've grown many 1-lb+ plants with this home made soil.This has been over 20 years ago,shit guys,miricle grow was a big deal back then. LOL Yes,I'm old and rambelin....Take care,BC

 

[Guest]

i was just kiddin also. hehehe. i'd dump it outside.

 

[stevr59]

well bois my transplant didnt make it so now down to one healty plant of unknow sex in the swc and 3 soils plants and the 3 are not looking good either there leafs are dropping now and i still have no time to go by and get some peat or any thing else had to help my brother all day to day and now got to go help my x gf tomorrow seem every one needs my help at the wrong time but oh well the way life is but one good thing out of this my stealth box past the test my brother stood right next to the grow box and didn't even pay no mind to it lol, hey bc i am old to i use to grow out doors in 5 gallon bucket in the swamps back in the 70s and 80s and funny i never had problem like this and all i used was just potting soil and cow manure. i think i may just transplant back to just the potting soil fr now may be i can pull back to heath for a few more days till i can get what i need.