Whats up with these younglings!!!??

[GrassArt]

Hey all, these are all bagseed (some known, some not) and all sprouted right at about 9/25/07 and were transferred into the pots they are in now at like 9/30/07 and have been there since. They are under 4 24W T5 lights, temps stay from like 75-82 with the lights on (i know its hot I cant seem to get it to go down yet). I use the lift the pot method and the finger in soil to test for watering. Very occasionally I am giving them nutes, about 4-8ml/gallon BioCanna Vega (3.5 - 1.0 - 5.5), Rhizotonic, which is a root growth enhancer, and Cannazyme which breaks down dead roots and the BioCanna soil which is awesome stuff. I make sure the ph of the water with or without nutes is from 5.5-6.5 with ph Down. I can give more detailed info if ya ask...

These are the first plants from seed I have ever really grown and i am not sure if they are growing pretty slow or right. But some are just CONTINUALLY droopy, I try to see if its under/overwating, let the pots dry out then water, water more often, and I cant seem to get some of these girls to spring up and be happy. Some deficiencies 2 i think...

The whole lineup...






The promlem ones...






The 2 best ones...(consistently more perky than the others)...



whats with the purpleing??



Random 2, all of them are about the same in terms of root grown, this can't be root bound can it??




And whats with this really really youngin (that spot spread from the node and is getting to the end of the leaf)





Please all help is totally appreciated, and I welcome ALL comments (no flaming each other)! Thanks so much everyone.

GrassArt

 

[Core]

looks like underfeeding to me


edit...
i checked some info and its clearly not enough nutes u are using....try and google a canna Bio scedule you will see why....well i got it open so i could drop it in the mean time...push it and you can download it in pdf.

http://www.biocanna.com/site/products_guide.php

 

[MynameStitch]

Get them babies some nitrogen, how often are you feeding them?

Also I would get them out of those pots soon..... how close do you have your lighting? They are stretchy...... You can move them a little closer to the plants T5's you can put them pretty much 1 in above the plant or a little closer.



Rhizotonic, and Cannazyme

would use them every other feeding.

For now use 1 1/2 teaspoon per gallon of the vega weekly.

4.5 ml = 1 1/2 teaspoon

 

[GrassArt]

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Thanks for the quick responses!

I do have the canna feeding schedule, but I always though that one should never just read off the back of a bottle to decide when and how much nutes to give. I will up the dosage of the VEGA though and see if it helps, really hope it does.

I felt that these are pretty close to the lights, but heres some shots. 4 24W T5's.




Still not close enough??

Also, stitch you said "get them babies" some nitrogen, I assume you are talking about the ones in the green pots?? For the seedlings I'm waiting for the cotylodeons (sp? the first wierd set of leaves forming from seed) to start turning yellow to give nutes.

Any idea though what this is? or should i not really care




Love the advice, what I wanted to do but wasa little worried about overfeeding.

Are you sure they need bigger pots though? Whenever I see pics of peoples rootbound plants they are like SERIOUSLY rootbound, mine dont even seem to bad. Will giving them larger pots help em with their growth rate?

GrassArt

 

[MynameStitch]

You do not need to up your nutrients; you just need to feed them more often.... like weekly.... once a week.

For now use 1 1/2 teaspoon per gallon of the vega weekly.

4.5 ml = 1 1/2 teaspoon

When I say nitrogen; the ones that has yellowing lower leaves..... the ones that have whitish brown leaves is what it looks like after the yellow has left them completely.

THe plant has used up all it's stored nitrogen in the leaves.


no they are not rootbound now when I mean transplant them I mean about 2 weeks from now at the latest.

You do not want to let your plant get to the point where roots have went around the pot several times. When you get like that sometimes you have to move some of the roots away from the rest... the top layer of it so that the plant will start growing away from rootball and into the new soil.
THat is in severe cases though.

Giving them to large of a pot will cause them stunted growth; cannabis grows well in mid size pots and when you allow them to root 75% of the pot..... after they hit that explosive growth you wait 3 weeks after and by then they will need to be transplanted... but if you are about to go into flowering you are better off transplanting before flowering into 1 to 2 gallon size bigger than what they were in; cannabis roots most of the pot in the first 2 weeks of flowering; they still grow regardless; but nothing like the first 2 weeks of flower.

 

[GrassArt]

ahhh stitch you make my life so much easier! thanks for all the quick responses. i will definitly give em a dose of vega next watering. thanks for all the info.

GrassArt

 

[Core]

well canna is spot on with his scedules...if it is saying that 10 ml on 10 L is about 400 a 500 ppm then is is like that..... you can set ya clock on it!...and i disagree with stich ...you do need to raise your nutes...you are giving feeedings for plants at aout 2 weeks old and judging by there size ..these baby's can surtenly use some more PPM's...but give them a better regime...like 1 or 2 times per week...(agree with that)
i feed 2 or 3 times per week plain canna.....but i do have a EC meter and that makes all the diffrence in the world....

just try it on one and you'll see

 

[MynameStitch]

yup, my bad on that one.... I normally tell everyone who uses canna nutrients that you can listen to there dosages.. and the chart..... just doing to many things at once

My bad, yes I would say I was wrong; forgot he was using canna nutrients; thats what I get for trying to work and do to many things at once.

Yes, canna is pretty much like core said spot on; so there chart is one of the rare ones you can listen too.

Sorry about that, so yes up the dosage

 

[10k]

cough...Math check...

4.5 ml = 1 1/2 teaspoon

/\ wrong

1 teaspoon = 5ml
1 1/2 teaspoon = 7.5ml

 

[MynameStitch]

lol yup, I Screwed up all over this post LOL

Alright, I am ready for a swatting!

 

[Guest]

Stoner Math Rules! And it's funny too!

 

[MynameStitch]

Oh god yes, I love to multi task; and I am starting to learn I can't do it no more..... I get so interrupted; with me working on computers; fixing issues and getting up answering the phone..... writing and my bird flying on the keyboard does not help

I tell you that is embarrassing,because I am a programmer and Math is a very heavy issue..... So normally I can't make mistakes, otherwise I gotta go back to debug

So in turn; it's time to go to bed! Night peeps!

 

[10k]

hey stitch sorry about that math check, we all 'stonerify' it once in a while.
In hindsight, I probably should have pm'd you instead. :/

grassart,
Looking at the pictures it looks like some of these plants have already dropped off several nodes of leaves at the bottom ?
Could it be they're older than they look ?

You do have some kind of uptake problem, tox or def, probably root bound too.
Anyway, I'd drop the rhizo and the cannazyme, feed em a bigger planter and veg nutes for now. Just for grins, let your mixed nutes sit a few hours and recheck the pH before feedings to be sure its not drifting off.

 

[Core]

indeed they could be rootbound.....there about 1 1/2 months old aprox.....

but bare with me for a sec....lets follow the scedule for a minute....4 _ 6 week plants would get about 30 -40 ml per 10 L ...so 10 L would be 2.5 gallons ..no?...

so how would he ever reach 30 if not 40 ml if he only is giving 4ml - 8ml per Gallon...i'll max it out to be easy with the counting.......multipli 8 ml times 2.5 to have 10 L and you'll only have 20 ml no?..see what i mean.....

tru im stoned ..but i still can count ....my wallet is dear to me !

 

[MynameStitch]

hey stitch sorry about that math check, we all 'stonerify' it once in a while.
In hindsight, I probably should have pm'd you instead. :/

grassart,
Looking at the pictures it looks like some of these plants have already dropped off several nodes of leaves at the bottom ?
Could it be they're older than they look ?

You do have some kind of uptake problem, tox or def, probably root bound too.
Anyway, I'd drop the rhizo and the cannazyme, feed em a bigger planter and veg nutes for now. Just for grins, let your mixed nutes sit a few hours and recheck the pH before feedings to be sure its not drifting off.

Hehehe, no harm done 10k I know you guys do it all in good humor
I got a laugh out of it too

I did say they looked like they were root bound too, but until I seen his pic of the dirt ball..... did not see roots too many roots around the dirt ball...... hence is why I say "dirt ball" I would go ahead and transplant now that he is going to be upping the feeding.

 

[GrassArt]

Wow thanks all for the replies ...!

I'm really pleased to hear that you can just use the canna nutrient schedule, I do really love the canna products and even more now that I have a more accurate feeding schedule.

The plants like Core said are about 1 month 10 days old, and i feel should be a lot bigger, but they are pretty much my first girls from seed and am not exactly sure what to expect.

Going to be feeding today, and here is what I am gonna use.

8ml/gallon Bio Vega
8ml/gallon Rhizotonic
10ml/gallon Cannazym

Those are all going off of the official BIOCANNA Infopaper, not the website (its a newsletter that canna distributed) because the online one does not say whether or not to use Rhizo/Cannazym.

I really do hope they perk up.

10K - Ya you are right about the dropping off of several nodes, you/core/stitch explained it really well, its seems really obvious to me now that the nitrogen is just being sucked leaf by leaf from bottom to top and it just leaves (no pun) dry and wilted crumbly yellow leaves that can be litteraly blown off the plant.

I'll post updates after the feeding, hope they are gonna do a lot better!

I'm so glad I have all your help and these bagseed as testers, heres what I'm about to run next as soon as my seedbay order arrives!!!

Nirvana's - Ice, Master Kush, Pure Power Plant, AK48.
And I got these from my friendly neighbors to the North... God Bud, Dynamite

Should be a good show!!!

GrassArt

 

[10k]

Going to be feeding today, and here is what I am gonna use.

8ml/gallon Bio Vega
8ml/gallon Rhizotonic
10ml/gallon Cannazym

Well, I would have dropped the rhizo and the zyme, and bumped up the veg nutes. The roots don't really need any rhizo root growth hormone, all the roots need is more medium, once they're in more soil they'll function just fine without the cannazyme too.

The most important point here is that you get them transplanted immediatly.

 

[GrassArt]

Ok sweet. Gave em the full doseage of Vega, and decided to skip the Rhizo and Cannazyme this time. Thanks for all the info 10k. 2 of them are already perking up.

GrassArt

 

[10k]

transplanted ?

 

[MynameStitch]

Ya, I told him to drop the other 2 and just feed them the veg now all he needs to do is transplant