Whats up with these clones, yellowin and some spots......???

[GET MO]

Somebody help these babys? They turnin yellow and leaves wiltin/droopin a little, stems turn kinda red. I just got um bout a week ago and put um in Ag Natural soil, the ones I didnt transplant/not under the light are still cool, whats goin on? I only waterred once and the soil is still wet, I used some half strength rhizotonic.
The bottom 3 havent been transplanted/put in hps light and are still fine (waiting to go outside):

Heres some pics of the ones thats hurtin:

Im thinkin maybe I shoulda mixed the soil with perlite or something, as it retains water pretty good. other than that I don't know....

 

[GET MO]

Where the doctors at????

 

[GET MO]

NO...BOdy knowS.......THE trouble IVE sEEN.....

 

[hdn155]

fill this out accordingly to give everone alot better idea of your current situation. then the Doc's can chime in.

SOIL:

How long has this problem been going on?
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
How Tall are the plants?
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each with how much water? How Often? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?
How often are you watering?
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
Are plant's infected with pest's?


HYDROPONICS/Aero Ponics

How long has this problem been going on?
What system are you running? (DWC? Ebb flow? Aero? Water Farm? Flood Tables? and so on...)
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
How tall are the plants?
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using?
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
What is the Water temperature?
What color are your roots? White? Brown? Are your roots slimy?
What Nutrient's are you using? How much of each if using multiple?
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?
What is the pH of the "Tank"?
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment?
When was your last watering?
What is your water temps?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
How often do you clean your system: example: Flush out water replace with clean water and nutrients?
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor(Relative Humidity)?
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Are plant's infected with pest's

 

[GET MO]

How long has this problem been going on?
4 days

What STRAIN are you growing?
GDP, The Purps, Sour D

What was the establishing technique?
clone

What is the age of your plants?
just got um

How Tall are the plants?
5 inches

veg stage

What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
basic soul

What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
cups

What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?
Ag Natural

What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each with how much water? How Often? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
Just one dose of rhizotonic since I got um, 1/2 strength

What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
?

What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
6.7

What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?
strips, ph meter

How often are you watering?
just once so far, soil still damp

When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
in transplant

What size bulb are you using?
600 hps for 12, then 46 watt flourecent for the other 12

What is the distance to the canopy?
2 ft fot the hps, 3 inches for flourecent

What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
35

What is the canopy temperature?
78

What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
69-80

What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
fan blows on um with door open while under hps, no fan under flourecent, but open room

Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
no

Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
yes

Is your water HARD or SOFT?
filterred tap, never had prob

Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
no

Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
no

Are plant's infected with pest's?
no


There it is there, dont know whats wrong with these babys, everything else is doin fine...

 

[Buzz Lightyear]

Here you go if you want a "doc" to chime in...

Yellow growth especially new growth signals root damage and/or high ph...6.7 is high.

Try a light feeding with an acidic fert containing all 6 micros including iron. Most ferts are acidic and will have a carbonate neutralizing number on the package...how much lime is needed to make the acidic fert neutral.

If the clones are trying to grow without what they need they may go yellow.

Peace, Buzz

 

[arniewonka]

if you live near a lowe's i saw some "soil acidifier" in the gardening section. it had zinc, sulfur, copper and iron and maybe a few other trace elements for $10.97...and it was a JUG. said something about 120 servings, uses, something like that. i am experiencing the same problem, hey buzz would that be sufficient?

 

[HeadyPete]

If you need to drop your ph get proper ph down to add to your water. Surprised buzz didn't recommend battery acid like he usually does....

That is not the problem with your plants. They are overwatered from your soil not having adequate drainage. You need to add 30% perlite to peat based soil for drainage. Your roots are drowning in soggy soil, the nitrogen is getting locked out because of this. Is there drainage holes in your cups? Transplant asap to proper soil/perlite mix.

Don't listen to buzzlightyear as he is a well known poser here with always changing usernames because he keeps getting banned. Anyone who knows how to grow can see right through his bullshit wrong advice. He was chased out of here for awhile and was banned as blackvelvet (actually coventry) by Dutchgrown so no one would fall victim to his bad info, but I see, like a bad case of herpes, he is back with a vengeance. He doesn't care about you, he is just here to feed his ego. Search blackvelvet and you will find lots of evidence.

A "doc"....yeah sure. If you add more ferts to your plants like BLY says and don't correct the soggy soil he will have helped you kill your plants and he will be proud. 6.7 is not too high, it is within acceptable range of 5.8 - 6.8. He almost gets it right with the root damage but has no idea how that damage occurred and grasps at straws for a remedy. Hey, sounds good to the unsuspecting noobs. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Have a nice day, blackvelvet.

 

[arniewonka]

wow, very well put sir. so does he have to go to a soil mix or could he go to a perlite/vermiculite mix and be fine?

 

[HeadyPete]

I think either would be fine as long as the soil has adequate perlite. They issue is drainage and the longer the plants sit with waterlogged roots the worse they will get. I don't recommend vermiculite as the fibers are not good to breathe, not as dangerous as asbestos, but still dangerous for the same basic reasons.

My choice would be (and is) coco. Straight coco does not need any help with drainage, it is closer to ideal ph than peat (which is very acidic) and you can add (like I do) worm castings (15%), kelp (15%) and I use BioBizz PreMix dry fert.

Coco comes in a nice small brick that expands to many times it's volume, which means you aren't at the home depot in winter buying bales of promix and looking shifty. Plus no telltale perlite in your waste soil when you are done with it.

 

[GET MO]

I orderred some coco.... until it comes maybe I just dont water? I was thinking of taking off the tops and puttin um in my bubble cloner until they seem ready, think they will clone allright?

 

[Buzz Lightyear]

if you live near a lowe's i saw some "soil acidifier" in the gardening section. it had zinc, sulfur, copper and iron and maybe a few other trace elements for $10.97...and it was a JUG. said something about 120 servings, uses, something like that. i am experiencing the same problem, hey buzz would that be sufficient?

You should stay away from "soil acidifier" ferts. They contain too much ammonia/urea. You want no more than 1/2 your nitrogen ammonia or urea. The other 1/2 should be nitrate nitrogen. Look for something like 20-10-20 at Lowes. It might advertise contains no urea! That's good your checking micros...there are 6 not including chlorine and others. The main 6 are: iron, manganese, zinc, copper, boron, and molybdenum.

Peace, Buzz

 

[HeadyPete]

How do they look right now? Better, same, worse?

Ideally you need to transplant asap, but if they look the same or better they can wait for the coco. Water very sparingly, only if they need it (pots are very light in weight) until they get transplanted.

Cloning is not a great idea because the plant is weak and the clones may not root. If it is your only chance at saving them than try, but to clone them now would make it very hard for the cuts in their weakened state to produce roots.

BTW, lower cuts are best because the lower the branch is to the ground, the more rooting hormone it contains. If you buried your plants past the first branches, they would produce roots.

 

[ToKingNobody]

If that IS the MJR blend of AgNatural soil, that is a base mix soil with NO nutrients besides some earth worm castings. Looks like overwatering combined with lack of nutes and fresh air could be your problem. Hope this helps! GL

 

[GET MO]

Thanks yall, I put the tops of 2 of um in the cloner and the rest was scrapped, too much of a hassle tryna save these babys, got too much else goin. I cut the soil 30% perlite with the other ones I had, transplanted and finna start feeding next water, the soil was AG natural ocean blend. peace-