What the best way to increase Terpene/Terpenoid production/complexity in Cannabis?

[jimmy.carlyle]

Greetings fellow green thumbs. I'm trying to figure out how to grow not just resinous pot but how to push the flavor and smell of my herb as far as possible.

Genetics and Organics seem really important, but I have a number of questions:

Is soil the best medium for the most flavorful/pungent pot?
How does stressing the plant in flower alter the taste/smell?
What methods of soil/nutes have produced the most flavorful/pungent pot for you?
What spectrum has produced the most tastiest/stankiest for you?
Is there a tradeoff in growing for yield/resin production versus growing for taste/smell?

Has anyone come across other horticultural experiences in pushing terpene/terpenoid production in other flower-like herbs (maybe in growing potpourri material, or incense materials)?

Any growers out there on a similar mission - pursuing cognoscenti qualities in cannabis as opposed to cash crop qualities?

 

[IwannatokeNbone]

i would have to say just get a cmh bulb, there close to full spectrum, then get some organics, use sugars liberally, thats bascially it to my knowlegde as what else is there, flavour is in the genes, organics stink more though.

 

[ChunkyToad]

I agree with running the Metal Halide bulb because it puts out some UVB. Adding a source of UV light to your garden will give you better bud. More potent, Better tasting, better smelling. That has been my personal experience.

If you want to expose the plants to UV radiation, you must remove the glass if you are running a air cooled hood.

 

[!!!]

cmh is Ceramic Metal Halide. Supposedly they put out more UV than a standard MH

 

[ChunkyToad]

cmh is Ceramic Metal Halide. Supposedly they put out more UV than a standard MH

I've read a bit about the CMH lamps, but personally prefer running Sunpulse Pulse Start MH lamps (maybe those are CMH lights).

Major drawbacks to CMH lamps is that they are only capable of running on Magnetic HPS ballasts. I use only digital ballasts. They say there are specific digital ballasts designed to run CMH bulbs, but fail to mention which ones they are.

Sunpulse lamps are the only ones on the market specifically designed to be run on digital ballasts. They make lights all the way from 2.8K to 20K. I added their 10K lights to my flowering rooms and noticed an almost immediate increase in the level of overall stink in my house (I use no scent scrubbers of any kind). Then I started to notice the trichome density and stalk length increase. I have a bunch of HPS lights, but abandoned them after determining that the "huge increase in bulk" produced by HPS lights is a myth, and have since switched running my grow under all 1000W sunpulse lights in the 3k, 4k, 6.4k, and 10K temperature ratings.

Anyhow, there are other ways of adding UVB light to your room. Lots of guys use reptile basking lights. They need the UV light to produce vitamins or something. Stick a bunch of those in the flowering room.

anyhow, good luck and let us know what you learn.

From what I can find in a quick search, these things aren't even being produced in anything over 400W.

 

[Cannarado]

I disagree with most people's opinion on a few things... my feelings are

- More light the better. Doesnt matter what kind, however more spectrum is proven to be better (Mocking the sun). I like HPS. See what works for you.
- Indicas Favor Indoors. Sativas most often react best to UVB spectrum (outdoors). Genetics have a lot to do with this. Thats why hybrids are so popular... best of both worlds eh.
- As for UVB, https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=93829, have a good read. Reptile lights are useable, but very expensive and their actual help is debateable. Thats when its best just to use CMH if looking for UVB spectrum.
- More Resins = More Terpins. Depends on strain, and timeline of growth as to how many terpins and what kind will be in the plant. (damn, seem to have lost my link for this info grr. Its on here somewhere) There are several terpins that affect many aspects of the plant.
- SLOW DRY. The slower the better - without mold obviously. Do a long cure. 3-4 month avg.
- Organics is spoof (IMO). I've smoked bud and said "What organics were used?" thinking "This has to be organic, its so tastey!" and was told "General Hydroponic Micro/Bloom". Nutrients are Nutrients. Use Quality. I say Advance Nutes - Money back guarentee right? The difference is Synthetics are nutes in useable forum. Organics (as the name suggest) uses organisms to break down raw/organic material into nutrients, useable to the plant.
- Low humidity.
- Flush. 2 weeks suggested.

 

[Weird]

IMHO step outside the gene pool your stuck in

 

[Short Ryder]

I have a few questions for you
are you aiming for this smell while the plant is growing or after?
as far as tastes go what do you mean? strong natural weed taste (water only) or the taste of the genetics
Ubv lighting does nothing for the smell guys, Uvb lighting increases the ammount of crystal on your plant and before you all go saying more crystal = danker smell your all wrong...
you all just happened to buy the right light which excited the right molecules.
If you guys go look up spectrum frequencies of lights you will find that everything on the earth resonates with an electromagnetic field.
including plants tada! the frequency of water is 2.4mghz soo on a frequency board 2.415hz-2.490hz anything that has the consistency of syrup or heavier liquids requires 2 difference frequencies to excite the molecules 900mghz and 2.4mghz
As liquids become more dense their frequencies lower, the board goes all the way down to 100micro neutons whic is less then 1/ 1,000,000 of a normal hertz
when operating light's that have 2.4mghz ballasts the light vibrates at the same frequency as waster so anything in direct view of the light will be affected by this,
keeping in mind plants, humans and just about everything out there that grows is comprised of mostly water and when a frequency matches a frequency of a foreign object you have an issue because both parties are vibrating in unison normally leading to explosions and what not but in the case of weed you actually start microwaving away the water out of the calyx while it's growing.
then there's 900mghz half the frequency of water so it stands to point out anything twice and viscus as water should resonate in harmony with this and it does and this is where the real kicker is because both objects are vibrating at the same speed in harmony allows them to freely pass molecules between them.
What the 900 does is it resonates at the same frequencies as the neutrients and starch sitting inside the leaf and crystal, exciting the inner workings of the plant will free up your neutirent movement throughout the plant because of the fact that everything is in harmony there is no resistance.
The light being the stronger of the 2 sources cannot intake anything from the plant because it would require to plant to have more energy then the light
With this you actually allow your plants to intake the most they can from the lighting without waste
hopefully someone who reads this will believe this and understand it ive been working with wireless technologies for a long time 7years+ right on the leading edge of it all and i can tell you with a quarentee that the only reason a plant likes it when you talk to it because human beeings can't hear or produce a noise above 5.2 mghz (double that of water) try it the higher pitched your voice can go when your talking to them the happier they seem...

 

[Short Ryder]

Also you guys should really start reading more then just the first page of google if you guys bothered to learn about the thousands of spectrum's you would all know there are a select few no plant will grow too... completely useless, and anyone who throws up hoffman's spectrum, This spectrum right here >http://www.amyshah.com/2008/03/ or any spectrum that looks like that you should stop growing now and never start again because you ovbiously are only doing this to stroke your ego.
a true grower realizes that plants are affect by EVERYTHING an egotistical grower chooses to be ignorant to anything except for organic matter

 

[Cannarado]

Ubv lighting does nothing for the smell guys, Uvb lighting increases the ammount of crystal on your plant and before you all go saying more crystal = danker smell your all wrong...

hopefully someone who reads this will believe this and understand it

Lol. I like your attempt at just mashing on proven information about resins, terpins, and glands. Trichs are a defense mechanism for plants from Bugs, UVB, ect. Thats why adding UVB works - it feels it has to do that to survive. Within these glands and such that push out trichs, you have THC, CBD, CBN, ect ect... possibly hundreds of chemicals and resins and such. Included in the mushroom shaped pretties are terpins... with smell. Ever smelt hash? May not be the stanky stank... but its got smell to it.

May be me, but i like how ya said "Hopefully someone will believe this and understand it"... kinda like the bible. Why should i have to believe when i can just know for fact instead? The only problem being that with weed being illegal, not many studies can/have been done. Mostly all hear say and such. I understand it... but if you're going to trip out about it that much... take it out doors. Have fun figuring out all the frequencies and how to make them all in perfect harmony... I'll just sit back and smoke my bumper crops waiting for you to use that information to increase production, quality, or quantity.

 

[Short Ryder]

i can link spam too still doesn't make it true you guys are looking at the wrong part realize how everything else in the world works and you've just become a top notch grower.
your issue is in your frequencies everyone can tell you different but look it up. you guys are ovbiously all growing for the wrong reason you asked i provided you tell me im wrong if you didnt want the advice don't ask

 

[Short Ryder]

every heard of radio frequencies bud? ever heard of a radio? ever heard of a satellite dish? do those use light...... no, i was being polite and assuming you guys could follow my thoughts on this but ovbiously it's lost on you for sure man ive been doing this for a long time if you can expect to understand it in 13minutes your more ignorant than a egotistical grower. seriously i was using lights because i knew youd understand it but if your gonna be ignorant and tell me i'm just reinforcing your theory about lights then im gonna be that ignorant and say how the fuck did you survive this long in life?

 

[Cannarado]

every heard of radio frequencies bud? ever heard of a radio? ever heard of a satellite dish? do those use light...... no, i was being polite and assuming you guys could follow my thoughts on this but ovbiously it's lost on you for sure man ive been doing this for a long time if you can expect to understand it in 13minutes your more ignorant than a egotistical grower. seriously i was using lights because i knew youd understand it but if your gonna be ignorant and tell me i'm just reinforcing your theory about lights then im gonna be that ignorant and say how the fuck did you survive this long in life?

Ok mr. Knows all about growing and no one else is allowed an opinion. Lets see results bro! What do you use then? Must be "the perfect setup" huh.

Your comming in here with attitude, basically telling everyone their stupid. I've read about the frequency of light and such. Not that big of a deal bro. If it was such the problem you make it to be... dont you think indoor gardening would have been done away with a LONG time ago? I can bet money Lumatek, quantum, galaxy, and any other light company has done hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars worth of more research then you.

Your entirely rude, and why would anyone want to credit anything you have to say when you come off like that, and you're telling people their stupid and wrong. Instead of you explaining it... how about you link us to the sites you got all this information off of. I'd rather read someones work that is given to me in a respectable manner. Someone that sounds like they know what their talking about rather then just rambiling off facts of Electricity and light. Congrats... Everything you've told me is written on my ballast and light. :thumbsup:

 

[Sir_Nugget]

Want to kno how to increase the complexity of the high, and the complexity of the smell? just do a side by side - hydro (any method, use all expensive supplements you want) VS Oraganic soil (foxfarm is a good example)... If you do a side by side, even if you flush the fuck out of the hydro plant, it won't matter.. Organic will have an extra flavor component and a lighter/softer feel to the plant matter... I did a side by side with master kush, and the organic master kush didnt have to be cured... as soon as it was dry it was AMAZING to smoke.. the hydro plant however, needed weeks to cure, and still, it was not on the same level as the FFOF grown shit

 

[ChunkyToad]

I have a few questions for you
are you aiming for this smell while the plant is growing or after?
as far as tastes go what do you mean? strong natural weed taste (water only) or the taste of the genetics
Ubv lighting does nothing for the smell guys, Uvb lighting increases the ammount of crystal on your plant and before you all go saying more crystal = danker smell your all wrong...
you all just happened to buy the right light which excited the right molecules.
If you guys go look up spectrum frequencies of lights you will find that everything on the earth resonates with an electromagnetic field.
including plants tada! the frequency of water is 2.4mghz soo on a frequency board 2.415hz-2.490hz anything that has the consistency of syrup or heavier liquids requires 2 difference frequencies to excite the molecules 900mghz and 2.4mghz
As liquids become more dense their frequencies lower, the board goes all the way down to 100micro neutons whic is less then 1/ 1,000,000 of a normal hertz
when operating light's that have 2.4mghz ballasts the light vibrates at the same frequency as waster so anything in direct view of the light will be affected by this,
keeping in mind plants, humans and just about everything out there that grows is comprised of mostly water and when a frequency matches a frequency of a foreign object you have an issue because both parties are vibrating in unison normally leading to explosions and what not but in the case of weed you actually start microwaving away the water out of the calyx while it's growing.
then there's 900mghz half the frequency of water so it stands to point out anything twice and viscus as water should resonate in harmony with this and it does and this is where the real kicker is because both objects are vibrating at the same speed in harmony allows them to freely pass molecules between them.
What the 900 does is it resonates at the same frequencies as the neutrients and starch sitting inside the leaf and crystal, exciting the inner workings of the plant will free up your neutirent movement throughout the plant because of the fact that everything is in harmony there is no resistance.
The light being the stronger of the 2 sources cannot intake anything from the plant because it would require to plant to have more energy then the light
With this you actually allow your plants to intake the most they can from the lighting without waste
hopefully someone who reads this will believe this and understand it ive been working with wireless technologies for a long time 7years+ right on the leading edge of it all and i can tell you with a quarentee that the only reason a plant likes it when you talk to it because human beeings can't hear or produce a noise above 5.2 mghz (double that of water) try it the higher pitched your voice can go when your talking to them the happier they seem...

First off, you are wrong. Second; How much meth did you smoke today? And finally, oh great one, what is the right reason to grow? I mean you are the moral leader of all true growers everywhere.

And dude, you explanation of resonant frequencies is so poor that I don't know what to say about it. Go find a group of your awesome pot growing friends and march over a bridge.

 

[AOD2012]

i just started using Earth Juice nutes on my last run, and was very pleased with the outcome. they are the smelliest, tastiest buds ive grown in my short career, so i dont have much to compare them to though. check this study by jmansweed, he really likes the juice, and has the same feeling about it as i do. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=149234

hope you find what you are looking for.

 

[Cannarado]

Want to kno how to increase the complexity of the high, and the complexity of the smell? just do a side by side - hydro (any method, use all expensive supplements you want) VS Oraganic soil (foxfarm is a good example)... If you do a side by side, even if you flush the fuck out of the hydro plant, it won't matter.. Organic will have an extra flavor component and a lighter/softer feel to the plant matter... I did a side by side with master kush, and the organic master kush didnt have to be cured... as soon as it was dry it was AMAZING to smoke.. the hydro plant however, needed weeks to cure, and still, it was not on the same level as the FFOF grown shit

Can you please enlighten me as to how soil increases flavor and aroma? You surely cant be telling me its the "Organic" part... you do realize hydro can be "Organic" as well. So what is it about the soil that makes it that much better?

And foxfarm is a wonderful starter Fert. Very soft feeding, hard to burn. Several buddies sware by it like you do - however when compaired to a more complex lineup such as Roots Organics - Fox Farm cant stand up to it. But each person has their picks... just sayin, Theres better stuff out there that when grown side by side (same cut, same medium, same light, diff nutes) foxfarm is... eh, ok. And when im saying this, its not just my friends use. They continue... i moved on. I've used Foxfarm, General Hydro, Roots Organics, and random crap found around the house such as coffee grounds and such.

I am excited to hopefully soon get a permanent set up going so i can do better comparisons... i really want to test all these "Resin boosters" and "Flavor enhancers"

 

[rasputin]

The best way... grow the genetics you have well. If their profile doesn't appeal to you try new genetics.

That said, guanos always seem to get a good stink going. I don't think stress in particular will help with the smells & taste. In fact, I think a good environment is what'll really help in that regard. Let the plants focus on prettying themselves up & not battling temp swings or high humidity.

 

[Short Ryder]

First off, you are wrong. Second; How much meth did you smoke today? And finally, oh great one, what is the right reason to grow? I mean you are the moral leader of all true growers everywhere.

And dude, you explanation of resonant frequencies is so poor that I don't know what to say about it. Go find a group of your awesome pot growing friends and march over a bridge.

do you work with wireless frequencies everyday do you have thousands of dollars worth of wireless technology at your disposal?
didn't think so i'd quit if i were you while your still in the category of ignorant youth insted of the category of pathelogical liar no one like liars dude if you don't want me telling you guys your wrong don't post wrong shit easy as that.... really how hard is it for you yougins to just own up to your shit.... as far as the website goes yet again just a place for wanna be growers to come to stroke their ego's bravo lads way to lower to bar for growers everywhere

 

[Phedrosbenny]

What the fucks up with the new guys today.They given out day passes at the nut house.