What is your favorite 600w HPS

[VerdeHombre]

I was wondering what everybody's favorite 600w HPS bulb is. Went from a 430 Philips son agro (8 same runs) to a 600w Eye Hortilux (same exact setup) and it produced 50% less. Tried another run at it and have the same results.

 

[Bozo]

doesnt sound right eye makes good bulbs .I would buy a light meter any 600 watt bulb should out yeild a 430
More light only translates to more bud if you keep enviroment within the normal ranges .Did you maybe fight a heat issue? Heat will make buds airy and yeild suffers greatly
What ever the case is bad bulb /ballast or enviroment there is something not right a 600 should out yeild a 430

 

[VerdeHombre]

Ive heard they were good as well.

The odd part is, the plants were very healthy(no signs of deficiency) but they didnt swell like usual. Same height flowers just not nearly as thick. I also noted that they stopped swelling after week 5 of flowering. They were also solid as a rock but had TONS of leaves in the flowers(very resonous though). It made trimming a nightmare. The only environmental change that was different was they were in a new house but in the same 4x4 hut. No heat difference (about 78 degrees day, 65 night), same nutes but maybe the airflow was different.

Could lack of C02 be the culprit to very leafy flowers????

 

[Pinball Wizard]

(same exact setup)

I hate to ask this...but ...you did upgrade to 600 watt HPS ballast?...didn't you?

 

[cyberthreat]

Hortilux eye bulbs are the best you should have had a much larger harvest could be the envirment have you ever work with this strain it could be the strain my it grow's longer narow buds

 

[VerdeHombre]

Yes.... I did change the ballast. SunSystem 1 600 watt. Would it even work in a 430 watt ballast?

Clones from the same Mom that were used as always.

Now that I think about this more and more, ventilation might not be as good as it was before but I never had a problem with heat. Has anyone had this problem with leafy/skinny nugs that use to produce fat heavy nugs?

 

[cyberthreat]

How big is the differnce in the yield compare to the 430watt be cause I don't see the ventilation drop the yield all that muchunless it was real messed up

 

[VerdeHombre]

50% less.

 

[cyberthreat]

dam that suck sorry to here that I wish I could help you some but I don't know but some one will help you something messed up

 

[Clackamas Coot]

I was wondering what everybody's favorite 600w HPS bulb is. Went from a 430 Philips son agro (8 same runs) to a 600w Eye Hortilux (same exact setup) and it produced 50% less. Tried another run at it and have the same results.

VerdeHombre

Phillips has another HPS that I highly recommend since you liked the Son-Agro 420. It's the Philips SON-T Master GreenPower Lamp

They're priced right - at least at this vendor. Packing & shipping went flawlessly.

HTH

CC

 

[VerdeHombre]

Didn't know that one was around. I think I'll stick with Philips and give it a try. I'm going to try and buy(if not too expensive) or borrow a light meter to see what's up between the two lamps I have. I'll let you guys know what happens.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

VerdeHombre

I've used the Phillips Son-Agro 430 bulbs for over 20 years when they were first introduced until I shifted over to running a 600 watt system last year. I then started using Hortilux bulbs. I feel that they're a great bulb as well.

This is my first complete cycle using this new bulb and I'm in Week 3 and I can see a marked difference in the bud set. Very nice!

HTH

CC

 

[DIH419]

VerdeHombre you will have to position that 600 at least 12" farther away from the plants than that 430 was at. Heat will be an issue if the light is too close to the plants. The good news is you can now grow in a larger area (sq feet) with more plants and better light density to help reach those lower branches better than the 430 could.

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[HindukushMaster]

anything the most expensive i would get, its all about who has the biggest dick around this neck of the woods aint it????? lol

 

[B00st3d]

D1H419 I disagree about havin to have the 600 a foot further above the canapoy then with the 430. I'd say maybe a few inches but a foot is extreme. In fact I keep my four air cooled 600's about 12-14 inches above the plants and now on light rails I have two 600's that are as close as 10 inches to the plants and no problems at all with burn from the heat. You shouldnt have heat problems with just one 600 unless you are in a very tiny closet or cabinet. If you got half the yield with more lights and the same cuts then you did something wrong . However its a well known fact that 430 produce alot more PAR watts then a 600 or a 1000 watt which means youre gonna get more resinous crystally buds with a 430 then with a 600 or a thousand. The yield however should be at least 50 percent more with the 600. I'd say ditch the 600 and get one more 430 and run two 430's spaced about 18 inches apart. Good luck

 

[DIH419]

A few inches in a poorly ventilated 4x4 grow hut or with bad air circulation can be the difference of 10-20 degrees F. Depending on the strain you're growing, this could adversely effect yeild by 1/2 or more.

400's are meant for 4' x 4' areas ..

600's are meant for 6.5' x 6.5' not 4' x 4' ..

1000's are meant for 8' x 8' areas ..

400's need a minimum of 12" - 36" from the top of the plants ..

600's need a minimum of 18" - 48" ..

Vented hoods and "true" air flow are important vaiables.


"However its a well known fact that 430 produce alot more PAR watts then a 600 or a 1000 watt which means youre gonna get more resinous crystally buds with a 430 then with a 600 or a thousand. The yield however should be at least 50 percent more with the 600."

I completely disagree with this statement. Where did you get this false information? Any experienced grower knows a 600 will out yeild a 400 in a good environment .. and a 1000 will out yeild a 600 with the largest, most dense nugs you can get.

Please don't mislead and misinform people without real practical experience .. and the statement about "more resinous crystally buds" is just not true unless temperatures are adversely effected .. again were talking about temperatures that effect yeild.

I've seen $40 bulbs outperform $100+ bulbs, but for the most part the more expensive bulbs do perform better.

Digital ballasts are the best way to improve lumens, decrease heat, and lower electricity usage.

3 600's will out perform 2 1000's using less power and generating more lumens in a 130 square foot grow area .. which compares to 5 400's that should be grown in 80 sqaure feet which is 40% less space using more power and generating far less lumens. Almost every commercial grower, weed or produce, knows this!

Can we get some commercial growers to weigh in their "Real" experience please ..

 

[thecarguy]

1000 watt Hortilux on mag ballasts have had their decade of fame.

In my findings the 600w Ushio HiLux on 230v Lumateks is the absolute best combination right now. Thankfully, I vertically light, so reflectors aren't a problem. However, the smaller profile of 600 watters does not seem to fit my Sun Systems 2 as eloquently as the 1000 watt. I am hoping 600 watt specific reflectors emerge soon. They'd be cheaper as they'd be smaller, and would aid the efficiency of the already hyper-efficient 600 watters.

Additionally, the 600watt Hortilux is a shite bulb compared to the 1000watt Horti. Much poorer spectrum and not-too-excellent lumen/watt compared to other 600 watt offerings. Just my 2 cents.

 

[whodair]

ive run 430 and 600

ive run 430 and 600

sorry im not a big commercial grower here. i used 430 for over 15 yrs, last yr bought a 600 lumatek w hortilux. its now unplugged and im back on my 430s. for my set up, 430 just worked better, your results may vary. ive used philips son agro, hortilux, and agrosun 430 bulbs.

possible explanations, and im just going on personal observation. Heat, the 600 is hotter, requiring it to be farther from the plants, which diminishes some of the potential gains. and spectrum, visually, the 430 is much more blue. like an hps that got raped by an mh.

when speaking of 430s specifically, and someone refers to it as a 400, i get a little offended! maybe i bought into all of the marketing of the 430w, but it has provided the desired results and i swear by them. since everyone is going digital, and there is no 430 digi, im afraid it may become obsolete.

so i bought the 600 to flower, and moved my 430 to veg. i then switched to 2 430s flower and 600 veg. now its 3-430s and a dusty 600w doorstop. This is what works for me in my little environment.

enjoy whatever you're using! and good luck

 

[T.Baggins]

i always liked the GE 600 watt bulbs, maybe its just me, but my hortilux bulbs never seem to have a consistency of color spectrum as the GE bulbs. last time i bought 3 hortilux bulbs, one was really orange, one was orangish blue, and one was as blue as a mh bulb!....... go with what works for u, everyone's setup is different, if you can pull more erb off less light that awesome, wish i could!

 

[VerdeHombre]

I use to let them get up to 12" from the bulb with the 430 and my radiant temps. would be 83 at tip top of canopy and 78 ambient. With the 600 I let them get 16" from the bulb and had the same exact temperatures. I definitely don't think it was a heat issue because I've run a bit hotter and closer to the bulb with the 430w in the past with a g/w outcome.

Could a bunk bulb be possible?

Still need to find a meter to see!!