-
As of today ICMag has his own Discord server. In this Discord server you can chat, talk with eachother, listen to music, share stories and pictures...and much more. Join now and let's grow together! Join ICMag Discord here! More details in this thread here: here.
what is this deficiency?
- Thread starter jahmok
- Start date
We need more grow information; can you please answer these questions?
Pick the one you are growing in; soil or hydroponics:
ARE YOU USING?
SOIL:
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
What substrate/medium are you using? (percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
What method of pH test was administered?
When was your last water?
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
Are plant's infected with pest's?
HYDROPONICS:
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using?
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
What is the Water temperature?
What Nutrient's are you using? How much of each if using multiple?
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?
What is the pH of the "Tank"?
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment?
When was your last watering?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor?
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Are plant's infected with pest's
Pick the one you are growing in; soil or hydroponics:
ARE YOU USING?
SOIL:
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
What substrate/medium are you using? (percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
What method of pH test was administered?
When was your last water?
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
Are plant's infected with pest's?
HYDROPONICS:
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using?
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
What is the Water temperature?
What Nutrient's are you using? How much of each if using multiple?
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?
What is the pH of the "Tank"?
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment?
When was your last watering?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor?
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Are plant's infected with pest's
first thanks for your answer
so:
strain: mandala #1 and satori (they both show the same signs of deficiency)
technique: 12/12 from seeds since one month (they begin flowering)
size pots: 5 liters
substrate: horticol soil (fertiligene)
nutrients: ATA Organic growth C
bloom C
bloei (additive)
atazyme
biobizz Alga
i water 2 or 3 times per week (but only one with nutes per week and i've begun feeding 1 week ago)
light: 400watts HPS horticol at 40 cm from the canopy
canopy temperature: between 24°C and 29°C when light is on
15°C when light is over
i use active intake and active exhaust
no pests in my cabinet
Thanks to help me MynameStitch...
so:
strain: mandala #1 and satori (they both show the same signs of deficiency)
technique: 12/12 from seeds since one month (they begin flowering)
size pots: 5 liters
substrate: horticol soil (fertiligene)
nutrients: ATA Organic growth C
bloom C
bloei (additive)
atazyme
biobizz Alga
i water 2 or 3 times per week (but only one with nutes per week and i've begun feeding 1 week ago)
light: 400watts HPS horticol at 40 cm from the canopy
canopy temperature: between 24°C and 29°C when light is on
15°C when light is over
i use active intake and active exhaust
no pests in my cabinet
Thanks to help me MynameStitch...
JungleRiddums
New member
Hard to say from one leaf, but from that pic and your descriptions Id say pH lockout. If Im reading it right, you just fed them the first bloom nutes and this started, correct?
Last edited:
Thanks for your answer Jungle
no it came just before i fed .that's why i've fed: 1mL/L of growth C + 1mL/L of bloom C + 2mL/L of algamic
i don't think that it's soil pH cause i've grown in this soil and with these nuts for two years with good results.
So hard to find the answer..i'll post a new pic tomorrow...
thanks for your help
no it came just before i fed .that's why i've fed: 1mL/L of growth C + 1mL/L of bloom C + 2mL/L of algamic
i don't think that it's soil pH cause i've grown in this soil and with these nuts for two years with good results.
So hard to find the answer..i'll post a new pic tomorrow...
thanks for your help
GET rid of that water; using water softner water is bad; the sodium is terrible for plants and causes all kinds of lockouts; first I would flush with different water before anything else; get the sodium out of the plant and soil.
I also need to know ho0w much nutrients you are feeding them and have you tested the run off for pH?
You need to bypass your water softner to one place in the house, or get a different kind of water like RO or bottled water; but the bottled water make sure that does not contain sodium as well.
If you chose RO water make sure you will get a nutrient that has calcium and magnesium. RO water has none in it so you will need cal-mag as another nutrient suppliment.
Another thing with all those bloom nutrients I am sure you are adding a lot more than what the plant is taking in with that sodium being present in the medium.
So I am sure they are somewhat burned too.
WHat size pots are these plants in?
Can you get some more pictures of the plants?
I also need to know ho0w much nutrients you are feeding them and have you tested the run off for pH?
You need to bypass your water softner to one place in the house, or get a different kind of water like RO or bottled water; but the bottled water make sure that does not contain sodium as well.
If you chose RO water make sure you will get a nutrient that has calcium and magnesium. RO water has none in it so you will need cal-mag as another nutrient suppliment.
Another thing with all those bloom nutrients I am sure you are adding a lot more than what the plant is taking in with that sodium being present in the medium.
So I am sure they are somewhat burned too.
WHat size pots are these plants in?
Can you get some more pictures of the plants?
hi stitch
my babies are in pots of 5 liters
and i've fed just once after i saw the signs on leaves
1mL/L of growth C
1mL/L of bloom C
1mL/L of ATA bloei
3mL/L of algamic
i don't have pH tester so i can't tell you what was the pH.
i've rinsed with bottled water and rain water this morning...and i'll watered only with bottled water and additives like algamic and ata bloei (that are additives) after that.Hope my babies will retrieve their healthy appearance so soon...
my babies are in pots of 5 liters
and i've fed just once after i saw the signs on leaves
1mL/L of growth C
1mL/L of bloom C
1mL/L of ATA bloei
3mL/L of algamic
i don't have pH tester so i can't tell you what was the pH.
i've rinsed with bottled water and rain water this morning...and i'll watered only with bottled water and additives like algamic and ata bloei (that are additives) after that.Hope my babies will retrieve their healthy appearance so soon...
Jahmonk 
Sans avoir un outil pour mesurer le ph ce sera difficile de savoir exactement ce qui est la cause du probleme.
Comme Stich a mentionné le sel c'est mortel pour le ph et l'absorption des fertilisants dissous dans l'eau.
Ta source d'eau est très importante, utilise de l'eau en bouteille distillée ou achète un filtre par osmose installé sur une ligne d'eau qui ne passe pas par le filtreur à sel.
De toute manière si ton eau a besoin d'un filtreur et d'adoucissement je doute qu'elle soi bonne pour tes plantes, de l'eau en bouteille ferais l'affaire.
Tu utilises des fertilisants hydroponiques donc tu ferais bien de t'acheter un outil a mesurer le ph, ce sera utile dans l'identification de probleme future et pour balancer le ph de ton mélange de fertilisant.
Tu ferais bien de faire un "rinçage" de ta terre, je ferais un mélange doux de fertilisant pour veg et floraison et d'arroser tes plantes jusqu'a ce qu'elles rejettent beaucoup d'eau pour enlever le sel et faire un retour a zéro de la terre.
Stich donne d'excellents conseils, si tu as besoin d'une traduction "rough" laisse moi savoir.
Suby
Edit: Crisse que mon français souffre.
Sans avoir un outil pour mesurer le ph ce sera difficile de savoir exactement ce qui est la cause du probleme.
Comme Stich a mentionné le sel c'est mortel pour le ph et l'absorption des fertilisants dissous dans l'eau.
Ta source d'eau est très importante, utilise de l'eau en bouteille distillée ou achète un filtre par osmose installé sur une ligne d'eau qui ne passe pas par le filtreur à sel.
De toute manière si ton eau a besoin d'un filtreur et d'adoucissement je doute qu'elle soi bonne pour tes plantes, de l'eau en bouteille ferais l'affaire.
Tu utilises des fertilisants hydroponiques donc tu ferais bien de t'acheter un outil a mesurer le ph, ce sera utile dans l'identification de probleme future et pour balancer le ph de ton mélange de fertilisant.
Tu ferais bien de faire un "rinçage" de ta terre, je ferais un mélange doux de fertilisant pour veg et floraison et d'arroser tes plantes jusqu'a ce qu'elles rejettent beaucoup d'eau pour enlever le sel et faire un retour a zéro de la terre.
Stich donne d'excellents conseils, si tu as besoin d'une traduction "rough" laisse moi savoir.
Suby
Edit: Crisse que mon français souffre.
Last edited:
Merci Suby
desolé pour tout le monde mais la du coup je repond en francais vu ke je ne peux pas envoyer de message privé
mes engrais ATA organic c bio et pour la terre pas pour l'hydro...
je comprends pas trop ce que tu veux dire par
"Tu ferais bien de faire un "rinçage" de ta terre, je ferais un mélange doux de fertilisant pour veg et floraison et d'arroser tes plantes jusqu'a ce qu'elles rejettent beaucoup d'eau pour enlever le sel et faire un retour a zéro de la terre."
la j'ai rincé mais sans engrais sans rien just avec de l'eau en bouteille et de l'eau de pluie...Tu peux m'expliquer un peu plus sur cette technique de sous dosage d'engrais pour que mes plantes rejettent beaucoup d'eau?merci
desolé pour tout le monde mais la du coup je repond en francais vu ke je ne peux pas envoyer de message privé
mes engrais ATA organic c bio et pour la terre pas pour l'hydro...
je comprends pas trop ce que tu veux dire par
"Tu ferais bien de faire un "rinçage" de ta terre, je ferais un mélange doux de fertilisant pour veg et floraison et d'arroser tes plantes jusqu'a ce qu'elles rejettent beaucoup d'eau pour enlever le sel et faire un retour a zéro de la terre."
la j'ai rincé mais sans engrais sans rien just avec de l'eau en bouteille et de l'eau de pluie...Tu peux m'expliquer un peu plus sur cette technique de sous dosage d'engrais pour que mes plantes rejettent beaucoup d'eau?merci
Cool, l'organic j'aime.
Ben la c'est pas pareil, c'est meme pire.
A cause de ton filtre salin le sel qui est dans ton eau s'accumule dans ta terre et TUE les bacteries beneficielles et les microrganismes qui digèrent les ingrédients de tes engrais, sans elles ton engrais vaut rien.
Ca va prendre de l'eau de pluie ou de l'eau filtré pour les garder heureuses.
Le rinçage c'est en référence au dépots salin dans la terre du a ton filtreur, pour enlever ces dépots il faut passer beaucoup d'eau à travers des pots.
Ce n'est pas en les arosant une fois que les sels seront enlevés, peut etre 2 ou 3 fois serais mieux.
Moi j'utiliserais une solution d'engrais légère pour faire un ''flush'' du medium pour avoir de quoi remplacer les engrais dans le sol.
Si tu aroses 2-3 fois semaines c'est trop, soi qu'elles sont trop grosses pour leurs pots ou tu arose trop souvent.
Dans mon jarding c'est une fois semaine gros max.
S
Hi all
i've flushed my soil with clear bottled water...and for the last watering for the flush i've put a half of the dose of my nutrients..it seems that one satori is saved..but the mandala#1 still suffers..and now it attacks to the upper leaves that begin to have the same signs of deficiency..i'll post pics this evening
i've flushed my soil with clear bottled water...and for the last watering for the flush i've put a half of the dose of my nutrients..it seems that one satori is saved..but the mandala#1 still suffers..and now it attacks to the upper leaves that begin to have the same signs of deficiency..i'll post pics this evening
En regardant les photos je dirais que le sel a débalancé le ph et l'équilibre de la terre dans tes pots.
Le ph de la terre est très importante, les feuilles jaunes et les tiges mauves me disent que tes plantes souffrent d'être à l'extérieur du ph idéal pour la plante, le ph de tes fertilisants avant de leur donner a boire est très important, il doit être environ 6.2-6.8.
En plus tu arroses trop souvent, une autre raison pour laquelle les fertilisants ne se rendent pas a la plant, les racines ont besoin d'oxygène.
Ils sont grands comment ces pots?
Suby
I jus told him it looks like a combo of ph lockout, overwatering, and the salt from his water softener that are affective his soil conditions and I think his containers are too small also, combine all these factors with organic ferts and you have a problem for sure.
Le ph de la terre est très importante, les feuilles jaunes et les tiges mauves me disent que tes plantes souffrent d'être à l'extérieur du ph idéal pour la plante, le ph de tes fertilisants avant de leur donner a boire est très important, il doit être environ 6.2-6.8.
En plus tu arroses trop souvent, une autre raison pour laquelle les fertilisants ne se rendent pas a la plant, les racines ont besoin d'oxygène.
Ils sont grands comment ces pots?
Suby
I jus told him it looks like a combo of ph lockout, overwatering, and the salt from his water softener that are affective his soil conditions and I think his containers are too small also, combine all these factors with organic ferts and you have a problem for sure.
Last edited:
