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What is the Rx
- Thread starter peafunk
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What nutes are you useing,
How often where they watered.
They look very over watered.
That will cause other problems like root rot.
also any idea of the run off Ph?
But just looking I'd say watering is an issue.
Sin
How often where they watered.
They look very over watered.
That will cause other problems like root rot.
also any idea of the run off Ph?
But just looking I'd say watering is an issue.
Sin
the nutrient are the one that came in the potting soil. it is the miricle growpotting soil that has about three month of nutrients the plant looked graet so i did not give it nuts
I have a oakton ph reader do you have a solid method o checking the ph in dirt or if you now were i can get this noldge from
I have a oakton ph reader do you have a solid method o checking the ph in dirt or if you now were i can get this noldge from
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peafunk said:
1st test the Ph of the water before you pour it on the soil.. your starting Ph.
Then test the water that runs and drains out of the pot... your ending Ph.
that will help people give you a better advice.
your plants are fairly old and will take more nutes than that soil will provide.
But I'm wondring how much water you gave em over the say the last 6 days?
Sin
By the way, you have other problems now.
Nute lock out perhaps, if Ph and other factors like over watering or underwatering will cause OTHER problems, you have Other problems as well.
This might take some time to sort out.
Looks like the Plant Dr.s are sleeping now.
Im just trying to get more info to help other guys who can tell you more than I.
Sin
Nute lock out perhaps, if Ph and other factors like over watering or underwatering will cause OTHER problems, you have Other problems as well.
This might take some time to sort out.
Looks like the Plant Dr.s are sleeping now.
Im just trying to get more info to help other guys who can tell you more than I.
Sin
G
Guest
I think theres some overferting going on in some of those pics. I see claw type leaves and tip burn. So Im leaning towards something having to do with over feeding, ph issues, or nute lock out from the over feeding. They may also be a bit over watered. You need to check the soil water run off for the ph after you water. I know the root of this problem is ph/nute lock out. What ph do you water/feed at? BTW, the way some of those leaves in the last few pics are curling upwards at the edges looks like some type of heat burn. How close are those plant to the light?
Hazetoker
Not to undermine your fine diagnosis, infact I was hoping you would answer!
But he said that he has not added any nutes to the MG Soil that has Nutes already in it.
The plants are 2 months old. Mabe he transplanted into new soil and that has caused the Over Ferting? Or could it be root bound, If never has transplanted?
Peafunk is not here at the moment to answer other questions, so we must wait for him.
So I was wondering how it could be nute burn if they are 2 months old and just now showing this (6 days )...unless he did transplant into new MG soil. But wouldn't the plant be big enough by now to handle it?
Not dissagreeing just wanting to learn my self.
thanks
Sin
Not to undermine your fine diagnosis, infact I was hoping you would answer!
But he said that he has not added any nutes to the MG Soil that has Nutes already in it.
The plants are 2 months old. Mabe he transplanted into new soil and that has caused the Over Ferting? Or could it be root bound, If never has transplanted?
Peafunk is not here at the moment to answer other questions, so we must wait for him.
So I was wondering how it could be nute burn if they are 2 months old and just now showing this (6 days )...unless he did transplant into new MG soil. But wouldn't the plant be big enough by now to handle it?
Not dissagreeing just wanting to learn my self.
thanks
Sin
G
Guest
Sin, I overlooked that he said that. but, for some reason I think if they were hungry there would be an overall yellowish color to the leaves. Could it be the ferts in the soil dont agree with the plant? Im not sure. I know I see a claw effect on some leaves that would lead one to assume overferting or a ph issue.. But then theres some leaves curling up so it makes me think a lotta shit is going wrong here. Maybe heat? I cant really say for sure on being root bound as Ive never grew in soil but once years ago I stick to hydro. and never had a root bound issuse. I want to know his soil run off ph?
Blackvelvet
Member
3 month extended release mg potting soil only contains primary nutrients...nitrogen phosphorus and potassium. It has little calcium, no magnesium lacks all the micros. Your plant is starving for these. Ph is important.
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G
Guest
So you guys really think that plant is hungry? Black velvet, your correct on the ferts in that soil but does it really look like the plants starving for those micro nutes? He needs to start using some nutes with all macro/micro nutes the plants need but after this problem is solved. Guys look at those leaves real good. I mean they may need to be feed but thats not whats causing his leaves to curl up and down. I think ph is out of wack here does no body else? Also I think their overwatered.
Blackvelvet
Member
Pour through method: Water/fertilize the plant. Wait 30 minutes. Apply a slight amount of distilled water till you get a little bit of runoff. Test that ph.peafunk said:
1:1 method: Pull plant carefully out of the container. Scrape 1/4 cup soil mix off the root ball. Avoid damaging roots too much. Mix this with 1/4 cup distilled water. Stir. Let sit 1/2 hour. Test ph of the slurry.
5.6-6.2 is good in soilless potting soil containing peatmosss, bark, perlite, vermiculite, etc...
Would salt build up be the cause?
Would salt build up be the cause?
Mr. Funk wont be on till later this evening I think.
We need to know
1. Run off Ph
2. Has he transplanted at all
3. what and how close are his lights.
4. Pot Size
Haze I see your point with the leaves being all over the place// some with Claw Hand and other drooping badley. But I don't see any burn either.
At this point ..with little other info to go on.. I would suggest Transplant into new soil, using a larger pot perhaps, getting a good fert program down for the gentelman.
Could salt build up with MG Potting Soil and no other nutes added?
BlackVelvet IS on to something.
Just my 2cents
Mr. Funk you will need more than MG Potting soil for your grows.
Sin
Would salt build up be the cause?
Mr. Funk wont be on till later this evening I think.
We need to know
1. Run off Ph
2. Has he transplanted at all
3. what and how close are his lights.
4. Pot Size
Haze I see your point with the leaves being all over the place// some with Claw Hand and other drooping badley. But I don't see any burn either.
At this point ..with little other info to go on.. I would suggest Transplant into new soil, using a larger pot perhaps, getting a good fert program down for the gentelman.
Could salt build up with MG Potting Soil and no other nutes added?
BlackVelvet IS on to something.
Just my 2cents
Mr. Funk you will need more than MG Potting soil for your grows.
Sin
First i must explain that this plants belong to a friend so i told him he needs to let me no every thing that he has done
this is what i was told
the plants are clones
the plan were cloned in jiffy peat pellets
they were put into the gowing medium as soon as the showed root the buckets were 5 gallon bucket
the water comes from the city ph is about 8.7 when the water was checked the ph was about 7.8
the lights are atached to the cieling and have about 4 feet of space from the canopy
this is what i was told
the plants are clones
the plan were cloned in jiffy peat pellets
they were put into the gowing medium as soon as the showed root the buckets were 5 gallon bucket
the water comes from the city ph is about 8.7 when the water was checked the ph was about 7.8
the lights are atached to the cieling and have about 4 feet of space from the canopy
G
Guest
My guess is Zinc or Iron lockout due to too high PH...Yellowing between veins, leaf margins wrinkled or distorted, points to Zinc??? Dont think its Manganese, no mottling or spotting at least from what I can see in the pics
Overwatering too, I think...I used to grow in soil before my somewhat recent move to hydro and my first few mistakes was overwatering
Rootbound also? How big are these? If their two months old I would assume pretty good size
Just my uneducated, somewhat experienced opinion...I love try to figure these out...Think of it as a little test every now and then
Grow safe
Overwatering too, I think...I used to grow in soil before my somewhat recent move to hydro and my first few mistakes was overwatering
Rootbound also? How big are these? If their two months old I would assume pretty good size
Just my uneducated, somewhat experienced opinion...I love try to figure these out...Think of it as a little test every now and then
Grow safe
B
Brother_Monk
Let me see if I got this straight. City water is 8.7 outta the tap. How did it get to 7.8? Is this after you added nutes? You need to get your Ph of water/nute solution down to at least 7.0 before applying it into your soil. Do you have dolomitic lime in there? If not, you should seriously think about adding it to the next mixture. I could be wrong here, but a haze cross has some sativa influence right? Sativas like dry sandy soil?
Anyways....you have a Ph issue and it's locking up nutes. That much is plain to see. Do you have any Ph down solution? If your Ph is settling to 7.8 after getting it from the tap, if you added 1/2 strength bloom ferts...this would bring your Ph down a little more.
Once you get the Ph issues under control, give 'em a dose of 1/2 strength bloom ferts with a little cal/mag for good measure. Let the soil dry out pretty good after that before you give em another watering.
Peace
BM
Anyways....you have a Ph issue and it's locking up nutes. That much is plain to see. Do you have any Ph down solution? If your Ph is settling to 7.8 after getting it from the tap, if you added 1/2 strength bloom ferts...this would bring your Ph down a little more.
Once you get the Ph issues under control, give 'em a dose of 1/2 strength bloom ferts with a little cal/mag for good measure. Let the soil dry out pretty good after that before you give em another watering.
Peace
BM
It's your er... His Ph
It's your er... His Ph
7.8 is way to high.
6 would be better 5.6 on the lower end.
Heres a few links talking about Soil Ph issues.
Lime added to soil just beofre or durring flower helps keep Ph inbalance.
But you need to lower the 8.o water 1st.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=46707&highlight=Ph
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=48099&highlight=Ph
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=47735&highlight=soil+Ph
these will help you.
By the way your plants will need a nute mix ment for FLOWERING, not vegg.
So you need to get some good nutes too. Fox Farm is a good place to start.
Sin
It's your er... His Ph
7.8 is way to high.
6 would be better 5.6 on the lower end.
Heres a few links talking about Soil Ph issues.
Lime added to soil just beofre or durring flower helps keep Ph inbalance.
But you need to lower the 8.o water 1st.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=46707&highlight=Ph
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=48099&highlight=Ph
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=47735&highlight=soil+Ph
these will help you.
By the way your plants will need a nute mix ment for FLOWERING, not vegg.
So you need to get some good nutes too. Fox Farm is a good place to start.
Sin
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Guest
I knew it was ph. what ever ferts you use for flower start at 1/2 strength and get that ph down to 6.0. With a ph that high its a wonder the plants dont look worse. Everything else said above me is 100% correct listen to these guys peafunk.
Hello everybody this is what i am going to do
1. dry out the plants for about 4 day
2. add water with ph around 6.0 every 4 days
3. when giving the nuts give 1/2 the strangth
i am using general hydroponic flora series. i am going to 1/2 strength the recomended dosage that on the bottle lable
if any body has an advice i will apprciate it
1. dry out the plants for about 4 day
2. add water with ph around 6.0 every 4 days
3. when giving the nuts give 1/2 the strangth
i am using general hydroponic flora series. i am going to 1/2 strength the recomended dosage that on the bottle lable
if any body has an advice i will apprciate it
Mix the Nutes 1st then Ph adjust.
Why the Hydro formula? or is it for both?
Sin
Why the Hydro formula? or is it for both?
Sin
