What commercialization is doing to cannabis

[OldSchoolGrow]

What commercialization is doing to cannabis

https://youtu.be/KyVSuI6JyOs

Interesting TED Talk.


another one
https://youtu.be/BmLDtvcGWjg

 

[St. Phatty]

The American version of Commercialization has destroyed many industries and killed millions of people.

American "health care" being one example.

On the other hand, it's still a 'weed' ... an easily grown plant.

I think the US needs a lesson in Being Overgrown. e.g. everywhere there's a parking lot with a landscape that gets watered ... just begging for a hemp seed.

 

[Mengsk]

I didn't watch the video but shared sentiments about the industry are all over this site. The 'business' popped up far ahead of knowledgeable weed/pot/canna growers. What I mean is it's clear that the big legal states are different I won't say behind in their techniques. Profit as a motivator and rushing ahead instead of consulting on how it should be done plain and simple. More expensive, synthetic, lagging genetics, and much less experience with cultivation. This isn't meant as an attack, I've been one of the people advocating against Monsanto and Scott and Miracle Gro because they poison the earth for as long as I can remember. Now, we have big fat Scotts Miracle Gro Rockwool plastic agropetrochemical factories popping up left and right even in Humboldt. Royal Gold with guano and Maxsea is one thing (great), but using 100% synthetic plastic indoor is bottom of the barrel. Pardon my French but some people don't give a shit about anything only money, like oil drillers and such, this is one group of cannabis cultivators.

Now when it's financed and in the middle of a huge 'industry' boom and in an urban area, then what I will call 'false economy' starts to upset everything in the area. Housing prices, the price for a gram of uber-delivered weed, the cost of gas, the wages for work in the area, rent and housing prices again. I don't give a shit at all about synthetic expensive boof, I do not want it here go away. People will still smoke it like 'hey more weed' but yes there is a ton of dep-grown or really just not very good weed at all, but they sure have figured out how to make it grow giant-steroid style and finish really fast and dry it instantly and put it in those freezer packs. Is it better than what you bought off the street as a kid? Maybe, sometimes, but it's also a lot of garbage relatively speaking for the highest price you ever paid on the street decades ago, that's about the 'rec' market. Instead, that expensive boof and its sometimes ignorant aggressive customers are physically pushing out other nicer friendlier people kind of like stampeding animals tbh. This is like looking into the future, but milder mannered people might pass on an argument or go somewhere else no worries. This I would cite relates to some like urban crime or arrests likely being lower in areas where people have more space (not multi-story apartment buildings). If the aggressive ignorant monsanto stampede pushes everyone out of Humboldt to set up more rockwool factories, what will be left? Will there be any place left for organic cannabis cultivation? Like SF used to be ok, I don't even know if anyone lives there anymore, it's like a visit or dream for people that moved from literally everywhere else for some (inconsequential) tech job. I say aggressive and ignorant because just like the gun lobby or some other things one side argues with reason and scientific fact and the other is more or less bully, stubborn, lies or pig headed or denial etc. Like way to stir the pot, none of the genetics or fertilizer people are going to come here and argue with me because there is no other side to the case. Just greed etc. The industry is kind of like a big f you to native Californians, as in haha you're late we're early because we already dedicated sold/bought all this real estate and moved all of these people around a few years in advance, before it was even 'legal.' And many of those people have nothing to do with organic roots growers, like stewards of the land. It's not that I feel I have some claim on a region or something, but if you just moved here talking about you're the director or boss of such and such, it's my choice to acknowledge or respect your authority basically. I've learned titles are hit/miss.

Then there are people who care about what they put in their bodies i.e. organic foods no pesticides because they are known to cause cancer it is no longer pseudo-anything. Monsanto lied for a long time now it is known that they are pumping cancer I am not going to sugar coat this. Cannabis growers have to be either the front or last line of defence here. It's not really a joke it's a lifestyle way of life and all of that.

These are not welcome. Even if it happened faster than 'others' could 'catch up,' it doesn't make it any more legitimate. That is pure garbage, and then it is also the most expensive product at the same time. The whole entire 'agricultural hemp' boof synthetic plastic pot farms all deserve to disappear and the money people used to build those is fake anyway, the same as the plastic and petroleum that they are growing their crops with.

 

[St. Phatty]

The cannabis industry is an industry with a very false basic premise.

The basic premise is that overall sales are growing. Not much, if at all.

Or that a regulated sale is better than a free market sale - something I have never found to be true. i.e. what was available from co-workers in Silicon Valley, pre-96 was comparable in quality to today's Cannabis.

Would you rather go to a store or a friend's living room - especially if the friend is a wine collector and LOVES to open up a favorite bottle when people come over to buy pot.

Let's see the Regulated industry top that buying experience.

When was the last time a Cannabis store asked you to stay for dinner ?

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

The first video is full of F.U.D., sprinkled with some facts.


I didn't watch the second one due to time issues. (Edit: Is there a subject matter I'm supposed to look for in this one? All I see is a canadian company ramping up for large production. :whatgives:??)



The issue is education. Legislation being created by people who are uneducated on the subject, along with users who are totally ignorant due to billions spent on prohibition.

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

St. Phatty is right. Estimates of percentage of population that already uses cannabis are generally ridiculously low, especially when fielded by corporations looking for investors. So, where's the new growth going to come from? I suppose you can always double your consumption, something you couldn't necessarily do with alcohol!

Cannabis was at least as good quality 20 years ago as it is today. Many growers who have 30 or more years under their belt can attest.

Dispensaries are a novelty at best. In SoCal we saw so many of them fail since 215 it was silly. Their product never compares to connoisseur home grown in any way. They'll declare that half the stuff on the shelf is 'sativa', but its not.

I really like St. Phatty's last point about the experience. How could a dispensary match hanging at the house of your longtime plug?

 

[St. Phatty]

Some of the dispensaries are really good, and function as genuine community centers.

One dispensary I went to, they let some customers participate in tasting sessions where they evaluate submissions from local growers. That is a fun Cannabis experience too.

Real legalization means selling What you Grow at the local farmer's market, and at roadside stands, next to the corn.

 

[Bud Green]

I haven't bought even a nickel bag in well over 30 years...

And i shouldn't have even waited that long to grow my own...

"Commercialization of weed" is just that....Everyone is capable of growing their own head stash better, cleaner and safer than anything you'll ever buy in a store...

You can even do it with a bagseed.... just make sure the seed is from a good bag......

 

[Water-]

you started a new thead with a video that you have never watched?

 

[Water-]

Suckers try to win arguments, others try to win.
Nassim Nicholas Taleb

 

[shithawk420]

The American version of Commercialization has destroyed many industries and killed millions of people.

American "health care" being one example.

On the other hand, it's still a 'weed' ... an easily grown plant.

I think the US needs a lesson in Being Overgrown. e.g. everywhere there's a parking lot with a landscape that gets watered ... just begging for a hemp seed.

Not trying to be a dick,but that is not the definition of a weed.Cannibis is definitely not a weed

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

you started a new thead with a video that you have never watched?

I figured the OP had at least watched the videos.


Did anyone watch the second one all the way through? Looks like a very well run shop, though the plants look overfed to me. (must be the lighting...)

 

[OldSchoolGrow]

I figured the OP had at least watched the videos.


Did anyone watch the second one all the way through? Looks like a very well run shop, though the plants look overfed to me. (must be the lighting...)

Of course I watched the videos. No idea what Water is talking about...... I appears he was having a conversation with himself....... Very strange from my point of view.....

I was very impressed by the dudes numbers in the second video. Notice him talking about the international markets as well? Hopefully Trump/USA can legalize it federally so we can start competing on the world stage. Pumping out 44,000 lbs a month when his current facility is maxed out........ NUTS!