what causes density of the buds?

[petergatien]

ive gone threw a few harvests now where it seems like alot of bud but it doesnt weigh out to much at all. what causes it to get more dense? it seems like wen i buy a bag the buds are nice but when they grow they are more fluffy and light.

 

[JJScorpio]

Density of buds are dependent on a couple things. One being genetics and the other is growing conditions. Nature vs nurture. You could have the greatest growing conditions and have no density if it is in the genetics to not be that way. On the other hand, you could have great seeds and terrible growing conditions. If you're doing things right, you might want to try a different strain.....

 

[viewsonic123]

i have noticed the better my ventilation is the more dense my buds are. This of course has a limit as far as genetics go, sativas are looser and indicas more dense.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Indoors, other than genetics... If the nutes are all dialed in... Light intensity is a big factor...

 

[Stoend]

yup light or you could be chopping too early? (more likely the case)

 

[Guest]

high temps possibly? that was the cause of one of my early harvest being airy

 

[NZjay]

Light intensity is a big factor...

bingo.
seems to be the major factor, right behind genetics IMO.

of course, Metal Halide vs High Pressure Sodium is a factor of the lights.
flower under MH, the buds are fluffier. throw in a HPS and it makes a huge difference.

i one grew under 3 stationary lights, 1 x 600watt HPS, and 2 x 400watt MH. you could see an obvious difference in bud density under the 600 vs the other end of the room the 400s.
A whole 200 more watts overall but they didnt get as dense.

 

[TGT]

Not saying your wrong, but I noticed the total opposite. My plants under the MH had slighly smaller buds, but were more dense and seemed to have more crystal. The buds under the HPS were larger, but not as dense. Also, the MH plants were shorter. We probably have different results because of genetics?

I have found in the past that plants that are getting sufficient light with high heat and not enough air flow to be a major contributer to loose or fluffy buds, only second to genetics.

TGT

 

[Guest]

The more indica varieties will normally produce denser buds under the same conditions, blockhead is rockhard compared to grapefruit flowered in the same room.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Yes, American... Obviously choice of genetics is foremost, as has been mentioned...
TGT Light intensity is more important than temperature, as long as temperature is within 'normal parameters'... Heat will make the bud looser, true, but does not effect it as much as light intensity... Everything else being equal, the buds under a 1K will be much denser than buds under a 400... Why to you think the buds get airier at the bottom of taller plants? The difference in light intensity...
NZjay... in my experience, TGT is correct about the spectrum and density...
'Blue heavy' spectrum lessens stretch... Less stretching means each of the flower bracts are closer together resulting in slightly denser buds...
'Red heavy' spectrums result in more overall flower weight, however...

Balanced spectrum horticurtural bulbs help balance out those differences...

In order or importance(assuming proper nutrient supply), I'd say:
Strain Choice, Lighting intensity, Heat, Lighting Spectrum, and 'other' environmental factors (i.e. pathogens or pests. Mites for example secrete an enzyme that retards flowering and ripening)

 

[thc43]

all of the above and a good dry and cure method, mainly genetic though once the room is working well but if multi strains smell taste like hay theres a bigger issue maby not enough light food or feeds.

 

[chubbynugs]

You might wanna check out a CO2 system. CO2 boost is an easy way to go and you can get them at most hydro shops and it will raise the co2 in your room up to a 1k ppms. I have noticed the more co2 and the better ventilation you have the denser the nugs will get.

 

[Guest]

Hey deadhead you want to troll me in the den thats one thing punk,don't **** with me here.Take you immature shit and keep it in the den.I have no problem sharing knowledge with people that have red dotted me all over the place in the den,politics and punkass grudges have no place here.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Hey deadhead you want to troll me in the den thats one thing punk,don't **** with me here.Take you immature shit and keep it in the den.

Wow... What a bunch of unsolicited venom...
Thanks for showing your character...

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

I have no problem sharing knowledge with people that have red dotted me all over the place in the den,politics and punkass grudges have no place here.

Ok... now repeating what had already been said several times in the thread is sharing knowledge? Cool... Share Away... I've got no grudges, but you seem to... Why are you so touchy? And are you accusing me of 'red dotting' you all over the place? That would be quite wrong... If I red dotted you anywhere I'm sure you were name calling and being rude in the post I 'dotted'...

 

[Guest]

Touchy?I don't like when people make snide remarks in a grow forum over feelings acquired in the den,this is here and there is there.I can respect that can you?And no I'm not accusing you of anything,just making a point that growing is growing and bullshit is bullshit.I won't ever feel the need to respond to you in a growthread and I hope you feel the same.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Touchy?I don't like when people make snide remarks in a grow forum over feelings acquired in the den,this is here and there is there.I can respect that can you?And no I'm not accusing you of anything,just making a point that growing is growing and bullshit is bullshit.I won't ever feel the need to respond to you in a growthread and I hope you feel the same.

I was responding to several people in that post, but if my presence is that offensive to you, then there is an ignore button you can use.

 

[bounty29]

My first grow temps went up into the low 90s during the last few weeks of flowering, and that really contributed to my buds being airy. This current grow my Sour Diesel looks like it's growing in really dense, but my other two plants look a little more airy. I've got the temperatures and light intensity under control (no higher than 80 degrees, and 75wpsf) so it looks like genetics will be the deciding factor.

Hey deadhead you want to troll me in the den thats one thing punk,don't **** with me here.Take you immature shit and keep it in the den.I have no problem sharing knowledge with people that have red dotted me all over the place in the den,politics and punkass grudges have no place here.

You think he was trolling you? Looked a lot more like he was replying to the thread with some good input. In this thread, you've made yourself look immature bringing this up out of nowhere. If you've really got such a serious problem you should take it to PM, or use the ignore feature like h3ad suggested.

 

[LatinThug]

In my experience I would have to say heat

Ive used a 400W and had 90-100F temps with good genetics and the buds were airy
and ive used a 400W with ~100W of CFL's and temps 60-80F with bagseed and the buds were the best ive ever grown

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

yeah... but some good genetics give airy buds...
Some bagseed will grow dense nuggs...
Also if you had more light for the second grow, then your assumption that the heat was the biggest factor may be incorrect...
To be able to make that statement about the heat, you'd have to have grown the same strain with the same lighting with temperature being the only major difference...