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how the brain works is pretty complex, and how its chemistry is affected is not necessarily through drugs. in fact, brain chemistry changes dramatically from one moment to the next simply because someone gave you information that can make you happy, or sad. for example, when people are affected by the death of someone they didn't want to be separated from, their brain chemistry changes, in many cases, these changes are permanent too. (edit. permanent in the sense they can prolong themselves until the person affected dies)
playing the brain chemistry card against cannabis is unscientific to say the least, as brain chemistry and how and why is it impacted involves many things that cannot be quantified. our range of emotions that we as humans are capable of expressing is so vast that making the conclusions the people with an agenda at that site make are laughable at best.
playing the brain chemistry card against cannabis is unscientific to say the least, as brain chemistry and how and why is it impacted involves many things that cannot be quantified. our range of emotions that we as humans are capable of expressing is so vast that making the conclusions the people with an agenda at that site make are laughable at best.
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interesting.. I think this thread a potential
PazVerdeRadical said:
however, this does not mean that cannabis can be used recklessly.
moreover, cannabis use today has a context that isn't helping the cause either.
recreational use of cannabis can be said to have "hidden risks", as the average recreational user
isn't expecting a so-called 'bad trip'.
on the other hand, traditional cannabis use (as in entheogenic use, sacramental) supposes
that the user is interested in the exploration of consciousness, and is therefore well aware
of the many things one can encounter upon such a journey. the idenfitication of traumas when
people are high is a leading cause of so-called depression; or the discovery that one has been
acting like an asshole and must correct one's behaviour and the resistence old habits oppose to this
sort of things, lets call them epiphanies, are surely shocking and difficult to understand when this sort
of phenomena manifest in recreational users; so they freak out and call cannabis evil.
but the fact is that they were using without knowing, and got burnt.
peace.
edit: which is another reason why prohibition does more harm than good, because it keeps the information on traditional uses of cannabis far from people at large, which in turn gives rise to mis-uses. imho.
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I think that those pages are mostly gears towards younger kids. While I don't think that young kids should be smoking pot, I also don't think that lying to them is the solution.
Longitudinal research on marijuana use among young people below college age indicates those who used have lower achievement than the non-users, more acceptance of deviant behavior, more delinquent behavior and aggression, greater rebelliousness, poorer relationships with parents, and more associations with delinquent and drug-using friends.
Woah, hold the press. Who here gets aggressive when smoking pot? Short of stabbing me in the leg you're not getting any thing resembling anger out of me when stoned. Rebelliousness...didn't know that was a word, regardless. Since when is rebelling a bad thing...we aren't talking about taking up arms, we're talking about protesting against UNJUST laws. Relationships with parents generally suffer because they do not understand what marijuana really is and can do, thus punish their child. Pavlov's theory, if you get punished while high you're going to avoid getting punished while high, which generally means avoiding your parents. Clearly if you smoke, you'll have friends that smoke. Do we give football players shit for hanging out with other football players? Common interests are the basis for most friendships.
Woah, hold the press. Who here gets aggressive when smoking pot? Short of stabbing me in the leg you're not getting any thing resembling anger out of me when stoned. Rebelliousness...didn't know that was a word, regardless. Since when is rebelling a bad thing...we aren't talking about taking up arms, we're talking about protesting against UNJUST laws. Relationships with parents generally suffer because they do not understand what marijuana really is and can do, thus punish their child. Pavlov's theory, if you get punished while high you're going to avoid getting punished while high, which generally means avoiding your parents. Clearly if you smoke, you'll have friends that smoke. Do we give football players shit for hanging out with other football players? Common interests are the basis for most friendships.
Northern_Greens
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OK, i am a younger user although well over 18 lol. i did smoke when i was young starting in grade 10, which i regret, i wish i had learned more about the drug before trying it.
that is somewhat true as i went through that with mine, culminated in me living on my own for 2 months when i was 18 lol. but my parents realized that as long as it is RESPONSIBLE (and i emphisize that) recreational use and it doesnt affect my normal life (back then in school, now my apprenticeship and university) then it cant really be that harmfull. Although they still do not agree with it they can understand that it is useful to the human body with healing and comfort (my great uncle who lives in the UK just stopped useing it AFTER he was cured of Cancer) as well as the psyche (spelling??). So i feel as long as the adult is a reasonable and intelligent human it should not be that great of a problem in the home IMO. (wishfull thinking tho)
I agree with this whole heartedly with the same kind of thinking as Paz. The lack of education or corruption on information on a particular topic leads to abuse, misuse and spreads like wildfire
i somewhat agree to this although i dont think that violence wether cyber or physical should be use in the name of our cause. Some of these claims are based in truth although somewhat distorted. MANY heavy users will have next to no attention span when sober, myself included. What they didnt tell you is that most of those people had those problems before they even knew what a lighter was let alone marijuana. I myself have no attention span whan sober.......but i never did and i used pot to help me focus and concentrate on a peticular task.
P.s. for the recod the thing that swung my parents was that i was a heavy user during most of high school, but i was considered an exeptional student by the staff and came out with an overall average of 83%... you cant argue with facts.....
cheers N_G
that is somewhat true as i went through that with mine, culminated in me living on my own for 2 months when i was 18 lol. but my parents realized that as long as it is RESPONSIBLE (and i emphisize that) recreational use and it doesnt affect my normal life (back then in school, now my apprenticeship and university) then it cant really be that harmfull. Although they still do not agree with it they can understand that it is useful to the human body with healing and comfort (my great uncle who lives in the UK just stopped useing it AFTER he was cured of Cancer) as well as the psyche (spelling??). So i feel as long as the adult is a reasonable and intelligent human it should not be that great of a problem in the home IMO. (wishfull thinking tho)
I agree with this whole heartedly with the same kind of thinking as Paz. The lack of education or corruption on information on a particular topic leads to abuse, misuse and spreads like wildfire
i somewhat agree to this although i dont think that violence wether cyber or physical should be use in the name of our cause. Some of these claims are based in truth although somewhat distorted. MANY heavy users will have next to no attention span when sober, myself included. What they didnt tell you is that most of those people had those problems before they even knew what a lighter was let alone marijuana. I myself have no attention span whan sober.......but i never did and i used pot to help me focus and concentrate on a peticular task.
P.s. for the recod the thing that swung my parents was that i was a heavy user during most of high school, but i was considered an exeptional student by the staff and came out with an overall average of 83%... you cant argue with facts.....
cheers N_G
naga_sadu
Active member
Official sources are so retarded that I've come to a conclusion that commenting on them is a waste of time...and an unnecessary strain on my palms as I type. The best we can do is take a cue from the amount of haphazard retarded "studies" on official sites and do our best to prevent our kids, younger bros etc., from being institutionally stupified.
As of today, I've told myself...rather than trying to intelligently comment on an official study on mj, I'd rather teach my pet donkey how to shoot an RPG-7 or train a bunch of decomposing carcasses in ice hockey to represent India in the next winter olympics.
As of today, I've told myself...rather than trying to intelligently comment on an official study on mj, I'd rather teach my pet donkey how to shoot an RPG-7 or train a bunch of decomposing carcasses in ice hockey to represent India in the next winter olympics.
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paz i totally agree with people who smoke and then 'freak out' and act like pot is bad...what they don't like is the way pot tears down a lot of their fucked up coping mechanisms and they get scared cause they feel like they aren't in control of themselves...i smoked with a couple of hot girls a few weeks ago and they got so high it actually sucked, we smoked one single joint together and they couldn't even have a conversation and to top it off they got withdrawn and what did have menage a trois potential quickly went kaput...then this girl tells me she doesn't want to smoke again for awhile b/c of how fucked up she got...i felt like telling her that SHE is the one who is so fucked up and she shouldn't hold it against the pot for making it apparent to her and me especially...done with the rant...
I was hanging out with a good friend of mine last year (whom I met my first year at college) and we met up with some of his friends at high school and went and smoked a few bowls. The two friends of his literally freaked out, they were talking gibberish, saying shit about aliens in their heads, and just acting fucked up. It was not a pleasant experience for my friend or I, as it completely ruined our high. I don't know what the hell happened then, but I haven't seen those people since and I don't think he has either. I don't know if it's related to what Nugalicious is talking about, but I can definitely relate.
Fire On High
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I saw lots of "related to" and very little "causes". Thats bullshit. Lots of people that are depressed smoke weed to help them deal with it, of course theyre gonna be more likely to contemplate suicide or be depressed later in life.
Peregrin Took
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Im assuming that since theantidrug.com is a commercial website, and not officially a government source, it is not bound by the Data Quality Act?
The ASA is suing the feds right now for spreading bullshit. Check it out
The ASA is suing the feds right now for spreading bullshit. Check it out
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Fire On High said:
dude these people aren't depressed, they are massively narcissistic and any sort of substance that reduces their personal view of themselves in relation to the rest of the world is regarded as something to be feared...big difference...i'm not taking shots at people who are down on themselves or using pot as medicine...
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word!
