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excellent macros raco !
What setup did you use ?
YES ! Girls love la nina
I think its because of the smell and taste . But I can see why girls would prefer la nina . Girls dont want to get stoned , but high . Because if they get stoned , you dont stand a chance scoring with them jejejeje
uknown sativa strain from last year . About 4-5meter high There seems to be an orgy there
What setup did you use ?
YES ! Girls love la nina
I think its because of the smell and taste . But I can see why girls would prefer la nina . Girls dont want to get stoned , but high . Because if they get stoned , you dont stand a chance scoring with them jejejejeuknown sativa strain from last year . About 4-5meter high
There seems to be an orgy there
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PablowPicasso
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Hey l33t!
Remember me from OG?! nice to see you
What a wonderful macro show!!
I'd love to get lost in that microcosmos
Congratz for the beautiful photos, keep on posting!
Cheers,
Picasso
Remember me from OG?! nice to see you
What a wonderful macro show!!
I'd love to get lost in that microcosmos
Congratz for the beautiful photos, keep on posting!
Cheers,
Picasso
HashishinReidi
Active member
Top class pics ,just as you used to do back in the day.ps .I always loved your A11 pics and ssh if the truth be told .
And i thought i had a low post count lol .Like i said in the message about og sorry about b4 i can be abit of a ding attimes if you can even remember.hope to see more of your pics here and there .Such a shame og went with all our pics and info .
And i thought i had a low post count lol .Like i said in the message about og sorry about b4 i can be abit of a ding attimes if you can even remember.hope to see more of your pics here and there .Such a shame og went with all our pics and info .
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thanx picasso and hashishinreidiah ( it was reidiah in the og days right ? I may remember wrong ).
Yes I remember both of you from the og days... if only it was still alive You see it doesnt feel a familiar place here , the reason for the low post count I hope someone make a new og
I hope life finds you both well friends
Talk to you soon !
I may remember wrong ).Yes I remember both of you from the og days... if only it was still alive
You see it doesnt feel a familiar place here , the reason for the low post count I hope someone make a new og I hope life finds you both well friends
Talk to you soon !
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HashishinReidi
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You are right it was reidiah just for some reason i could not fit the rest on lol why i dont know .Anyways as i said b4 good to see your pics, i knowwhat you are saying i feel the same, i dont think anyone will though .I wish someone would get intouch with rc and see about getting the severs back and getting it and cw online .though it will never ever happen .
Lovely macro its like looking at another world looking at macros i still have quite a few of you old pics on my hardrive
as i saved about 350 pics of other folks plants and hash from og and not one of my own lol doh .
pp just noticedboth our sig have things about whitches weird lol.
Lovely macro its like looking at another world looking at macros i still have quite a few of you old pics on my hardrive
as i saved about 350 pics of other folks plants and hash from og and not one of my own lol doh .
pp just noticedboth our sig have things about whitches weird lol.
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PablowPicasso
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HiGH l33t, HashishinReidiah!
Yeah I miss OG too for sure, but this place is not bad, the administrators are good people, and I've found a lot of old friends here at ICmag.
HashishinReidiah lol nice sig;-) a witch hunt...that's what it is!
Can't remember where I found mine, anyway it's the same I have since Overgrow 2002 times...
l33t, really amazing macros
Greetings guys
Picasso
Yeah I miss OG too for sure, but this place is not bad, the administrators are good people, and I've found a lot of old friends here at ICmag.
HashishinReidiah lol nice sig;-) a witch hunt...that's what it is!
Can't remember where I found mine, anyway it's the same I have since Overgrow 2002 times...
l33t, really amazing macros
Greetings guys
Picasso
i'm still stunned by your images l33t
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bonecarver_OG
nice leet!!
awesome thread
i think i just found a place to talk about photography
ur right in the use of light bulbs im just a beginner but i do find bulbs or half shadow to be the best light
flashes are flashy and make buds white and sparkly - but they dont look natural - so i agree on ur aproach to not use flash. i do only use it while taking pics in my grow room with the HPS on using my compact that handels the HPS light better.
i really like ur conjunction of extenders, converters and etc looks like a great toy
do u find the DOF gets very shallow using the extenders? im just about to get a set. i still look with envy at that 1:1 macro lense...
hehe nice nice!
eh what make cam do u use?
peace
awesome thread
i think i just found a place to talk about photography
ur right in the use of light bulbs
im just a beginner but i do find bulbs or half shadow to be the best light flashes are flashy and make buds white and sparkly - but they dont look natural - so i agree on ur aproach to not use flash. i do only use it while taking pics in my grow room with the HPS on using my compact that handels the HPS light better.
i really like ur conjunction of extenders, converters and etc
looks like a great toy do u find the DOF gets very shallow using the extenders? im just about to get a set. i still look with envy at that 1:1 macro lense...
hehe nice nice!eh what make cam do u use?
peace
hello bonecarver !
Yes flashes are not good source of light but some flash rings are quite good and they provide good lighting ( soft ) for taking pics of buds/trichs .
Yes I am familiar with the Kenko extension tubes ... but they are so pricey ! That is because they have electrical contacts ... but one does not need them when going more than lifesize , meaning that autofocus wont work . Manual is the way to go . I would only buy the automatic extension tubes only if I used them in the field , but I only use them indoors . I bought the extension tubes for like 10 pounds ... instead of the massive price of like 150 pounds for the kenko .
"do u find the DOF gets very shallow using the extenders?"
Yes ... but Dof is always the same at a certain magnification ... no matter if you use extension tubes / bellows / teleconverter / closeup diopters etc... you will always get the same DOF . Yes indeed it gets very shallow , that is why you should use apertures like f/8 f/16 . f/22 isnt very good because f/8 and smaller apertures will give you diffraction . This means that most macro lenses have the best sharpness when used at f/8~ aperture .
As far as the cost is concerned... well give ebay a shot . I bought the teleconverter ( 7 element of course ) for like 10 pounds , the extension tubes for like 10 pounds and the macro lens for like less than 200 pounds .
Nice camera you have , canon rules
Yes flashes are not good source of light but some flash rings are quite good and they provide good lighting ( soft ) for taking pics of buds/trichs .
Yes I am familiar with the Kenko extension tubes ... but they are so pricey ! That is because they have electrical contacts ... but one does not need them when going more than lifesize , meaning that autofocus wont work . Manual is the way to go . I would only buy the automatic extension tubes only if I used them in the field , but I only use them indoors . I bought the extension tubes for like 10 pounds ... instead of the massive price of like 150 pounds for the kenko .
"do u find the DOF gets very shallow using the extenders?"
Yes ... but Dof is always the same at a certain magnification ... no matter if you use extension tubes / bellows / teleconverter / closeup diopters etc... you will always get the same DOF . Yes indeed it gets very shallow , that is why you should use apertures like f/8 f/16 . f/22 isnt very good because f/8 and smaller apertures will give you diffraction . This means that most macro lenses have the best sharpness when used at f/8~ aperture .
As far as the cost is concerned... well give ebay a shot . I bought the teleconverter ( 7 element of course ) for like 10 pounds , the extension tubes for like 10 pounds and the macro lens for like less than 200 pounds .
Nice camera you have , canon rules
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bonecarver_OG
hehe and the kenko compared to my brands gadgets are cheap atleast
i never bought anything on ebay - guess im scared about scammers - i dont like business without personal contact - hehe i dont know why
yep its completelly true about the autofocus beeing not necesary at such high magnificacions i bet all i read says the same - and i must say i preffeer not to use the autofocus on my "macro"shots since the focal range of that seems unreliable those ring flashes are awesome but also they cost almost as much as a cam in it self
yeah i like insect pics and stuff too and i think the extension tubes might be handy on my tele 28-200 too - should give me more range for pics but my dream are those mp180 or mp100 lenses they get very good reviews but wow.. the prices are just crazy!
im looking into getting a canon (or other make cheaper) teleconverter - the 1,4x ones seem to get good quality for animal pics etc
im going to try ur tip about the aperture - i bet u had enough time experimenting
canon indeed is good.. after my first reflex (the canon A-1) i was addicted to them hehe couldnt get her out of my mind. still cant - sold it by some reason.
i must congratulate u on ur very well thought out setup and also for beeing smart and saving bucks
i never actually go outside without my cam UK is great for landscapes! i used to love my time in brighton and the southern countryside of uk - and the manytimes cloudy sky gives very dramatic backdrops i
peace!
i never bought anything on ebay - guess im scared about scammers - i dont like business without personal contact - hehe i dont know why
yep its completelly true about the autofocus beeing not necesary at such high magnificacions i bet all i read says the same - and i must say i preffeer not to use the autofocus on my "macro"shots since the focal range of that seems unreliable
those ring flashes are awesome but also they cost almost as much as a cam in it self yeah i like insect pics and stuff too
and i think the extension tubes might be handy on my tele 28-200 too - should give me more range for pics but my dream are those mp180 or mp100 lenses they get very good reviews but wow.. the prices are just crazy!im looking into getting a canon (or other make cheaper) teleconverter - the 1,4x ones seem to get good quality for animal pics etc
im going to try ur tip about the aperture - i bet u had enough time experimenting
canon indeed is good.. after my first reflex (the canon A-1) i was addicted to them hehe couldnt get her out of my mind. still cant - sold it by some reason.
i must congratulate u on ur very well thought out setup
and also for beeing smart and saving bucks i never actually go outside without my cam
UK is great for landscapes! i used to love my time in brighton and the southern countryside of uk - and the manytimes cloudy sky gives very dramatic backdrops ipeace!
"i never bought anything on ebay - guess im scared about scammers - i dont like business without personal contact - hehe i dont know why "
I dont see why you are scared... you are not going to buy a car ... just a teleconverter and extension tubes that cost like 10 pounds each . Then again there is reputation ... you will buy it from someone that has over 90% feedback and has sell more than 300 items .... And in the end even if you are scammed , you can get your money back from Paypal... and even if you DONT get your money back... you lost like 20 pounds... no big deal huh ? Plus it feels good to buy an item 500%-1000% less than it costs .
I have done more than 40 transactions from ebay. All worked fine ... but only because I chose good sellers .
Ebay sells some ring flashes for like 40-50 pounds and they are very good .
1.4x isn't enough ... buy the 2x .
What kind of lenses do you have ? 28-200 is super zoom lens ... and most probably not sharp at all . The good lenses are the prime lenses . Prime lenses are standard/fixed focal length ... like only 100mm or like only 50mm . 50mm are the best because you only need 50mm of extension to get to 1:1 ... 50mm more extension will give you 2:1 etc etc... With a 200mm lens you need 20cm of extension to get to 1:1 .
If you buy a teleconverter , make sure you buy a 7 element one . If they dont mention it , it is most probably 4 elements . And yes indeed uk is great for landscape photography As far as the extension tubes is concerned ... just buy the cheapest/quality you can buy ... they are just hollow tubes ... they dont have lenses so all of them do the same job , practically. But I would for a bellows over extension tubes because they are more handy .. but only suitable for studio/home photography , not good for field work . Then again you can also reverse mount your 50mm prime lense ( if you got one ) .
Oh ... I forgot something ... you have a 28-200 you said ? Do you have any other lens ? You can reverse mount a 50mm lens in front of your 28-200 ( set at 200mm ) . You instantly have 4:1 magnification . 200/50 = 4 . You can use 200/28 to get like x8 magnification . I dont have a 200mm lens , thats why I didn't mentioned this way... and its one of the easiest ways to get a high magnification without the need of bellows/extension tubes/macro lenses etc... Just buy a "coupler ring" male-> male . Just make sure you buy the correct one ... like 49mm to 49mm filter male thread or 52mm to 49.. you can always use a step up/down ring to adjust to your liking
if you have any question ... just ask
I dont see why you are scared... you are not going to buy a car ... just a teleconverter and extension tubes that cost like 10 pounds each . Then again there is reputation ... you will buy it from someone that has over 90% feedback and has sell more than 300 items .... And in the end even if you are scammed , you can get your money back from Paypal... and even if you DONT get your money back... you lost like 20 pounds... no big deal huh ? Plus it feels good to buy an item 500%-1000% less than it costs .
I have done more than 40 transactions from ebay. All worked fine ... but only because I chose good sellers .
Ebay sells some ring flashes for like 40-50 pounds and they are very good .
1.4x isn't enough ... buy the 2x .
What kind of lenses do you have ? 28-200 is super zoom lens ... and most probably not sharp at all . The good lenses are the prime lenses . Prime lenses are standard/fixed focal length ... like only 100mm or like only 50mm . 50mm are the best because you only need 50mm of extension to get to 1:1 ... 50mm more extension will give you 2:1 etc etc... With a 200mm lens you need 20cm of extension to get to 1:1 .
If you buy a teleconverter , make sure you buy a 7 element one . If they dont mention it , it is most probably 4 elements . And yes indeed uk is great for landscape photography
As far as the extension tubes is concerned ... just buy the cheapest/quality you can buy ... they are just hollow tubes ... they dont have lenses so all of them do the same job , practically. But I would for a bellows over extension tubes because they are more handy .. but only suitable for studio/home photography , not good for field work . Then again you can also reverse mount your 50mm prime lense ( if you got one ) . Oh ... I forgot something ... you have a 28-200 you said ? Do you have any other lens ? You can reverse mount a 50mm lens in front of your 28-200 ( set at 200mm ) . You instantly have 4:1 magnification . 200/50 = 4 . You can use 200/28 to get like x8 magnification . I dont have a 200mm lens , thats why I didn't mentioned this way... and its one of the easiest ways to get a high magnification without the need of bellows/extension tubes/macro lenses etc... Just buy a "coupler ring" male-> male . Just make sure you buy the correct one ... like 49mm to 49mm filter male thread or 52mm to 49.. you can always use a step up/down ring to adjust to your liking
if you have any question ... just ask
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bonecarver_OG
ah - the canon tele zoom is a supersonic EF 28-200 1:3.5-5.6 USM with 72 mm filter mount, is actually very sharp for what it is - an allround lense sounds good with the 2x converter- ill look into that in the future a 400 tele can be lots of fun or atleast enough for my needs im glad i got it gifted - that sure saved some bucks atleast my father used it for many years before he got his new tele.
lets see if i got time to upload a pic made with it later. ah actually - the Meaothai with the dark grey background is made with it.
i also got an EFS 18-55 canon lense 1:3.5-5.6 II (the one that came with the cam) its quite basic - but it can give some quite unexpectedly clear images. also it got a fairly good minimum focal distance. and it almost reaches into the upper range of wide angle (id sure like to get an more wider one later some day, or a filter - they could maybe be good enough). it got a 58 mm filter mount.
hm now when u mention it - itd be wicked to reverse mount the 18-55 in front of the 28-200.. hm good idea atleast wicked for indoor trich shots etc! itd mean i need a 72mm to 58mm coupler ring?
i need allround lenses because when u are out in the field its not convenient to change lenses all the time. off course itd be awesome with canons L-series - but thats only to dream about..
the lenses got kenko and hoya uv filters.
u need that defiently in the strong sun here + hoods too. out of 200 pics i take maybe one is indoors - so i got to have my setup more design for outdoor use (i like trekking and climbing) and when i can i need to get a new handy backpack for the cam and equipment.
ok - lets see if i get this rigth
- if i use the kenko set (6,8 cm extension) on the 18-55? what kind of amplificacion do i get?
- putting the 18-55 in front of the 28-200 - what amplificacion would that give? 4:1? or should i count 200/18
to complicate things even more:
- really the cannon 400D - because of the sensor size has a modificacion factor of 1,6 - it means all lenses become in reality x 1,6 - so a 200 is a bit more than 300 etc - u know? for example the 18-55 is a (18x1,6=)28.8 to (55x1,6=)88 but for simplicity when talking about the lenses that work with the 400D, the normal lense values are used.
so in theory i can get 200 x 1,6= 320/28.8=11.11 times magnification?? .. ooh wow
for indoors that would be incredible!
but for bug pics etc outdoors - i think the extension tubes on the 18-55 should be enough for most of my needs?
if u have a link to any of those reliable sellers on ebay plz pm me if its worth it id get paypal and all!
actually im gonna pm u now hehe
peace mate and thanks for ur time its obvious u have a lot of knowledge of photgraphy
sounds good with the 2x converter- ill look into that in the future a 400 tele can be lots of fun or atleast enough for my needs im glad i got it gifted - that sure saved some bucks atleast my father used it for many years before he got his new tele.lets see if i got time to upload a pic made with it later. ah actually - the Meaothai with the dark grey background is made with it.
i also got an EFS 18-55 canon lense 1:3.5-5.6 II (the one that came with the cam) its quite basic - but it can give some quite unexpectedly clear images. also it got a fairly good minimum focal distance. and it almost reaches into the upper range of wide angle (id sure like to get an more wider one later some day, or a filter - they could maybe be good enough). it got a 58 mm filter mount.
hm now when u mention it - itd be wicked to reverse mount the 18-55 in front of the 28-200.. hm good idea
atleast wicked for indoor trich shots etc! itd mean i need a 72mm to 58mm coupler ring?i need allround lenses because when u are out in the field its not convenient to change lenses all the time. off course itd be awesome with canons L-series - but thats only to dream about..
the lenses got kenko and hoya uv filters.
u need that defiently in the strong sun here + hoods too. out of 200 pics i take maybe one is indoors - so i got to have my setup more design for outdoor use (i like trekking and climbing) and when i can i need to get a new handy backpack for the cam and equipment.
ok - lets see if i get this rigth
- if i use the kenko set (6,8 cm extension) on the 18-55? what kind of amplificacion do i get?
- putting the 18-55 in front of the 28-200 - what amplificacion would that give? 4:1? or should i count 200/18
to complicate things even more:
- really the cannon 400D - because of the sensor size has a modificacion factor of 1,6
- it means all lenses become in reality x 1,6 - so a 200 is a bit more than 300 etc - u know? for example the 18-55 is a (18x1,6=)28.8 to (55x1,6=)88 but for simplicity when talking about the lenses that work with the 400D, the normal lense values are used.so in theory i can get 200 x 1,6= 320/28.8=11.11 times magnification?? .. ooh wow
for indoors that would be incredible!but for bug pics etc outdoors - i think the extension tubes on the 18-55 should be enough for most of my needs?
if u have a link to any of those reliable sellers on ebay plz pm me
if its worth it id get paypal and all! actually im gonna pm u now hehe
peace mate and thanks for ur time
its obvious u have a lot of knowledge of photgraphy 
"- if i use the kenko set (6,8 cm extension) on the 18-55? what kind of amplificacion do i get?"
hmmm it depends on the lens , where it is it's minumum focus range . But anyway , if you set it to 50mm , you already have like 1:4 magnification already , just from the lens . So with 68mm extension you will get 1:1 + 1:4(not 4:1) = That will be something 1.4:1 if my math skills are correct . You can use it at 35mm and you will have greater magnification but the focus distance will be like 1cm in front of the lens , which in a controlled environment is great but in the field you cant take pics of bugs 1cm from the lens .
The rule of thumb is that 50mm of extension tube before a 50mm prime lens(set at infinity) will give you 1:1 magnification . But most prime lenses will already allow you to focus up to 30-40cm which is like 1:4 magnification ,add the extensions and it will be like 1.4:1 .
The only problem with the lenses you got is that the one has a 72mm filter thread and the other is 58mm , this means that you might get vignetting , the more the difference the more chances youll have of vignetting . So get a coupler ring 58mm->58mm and get a step up ring 58mm->72mm . It will cost you both like 10 pounds max and if they work correctly , youll have indeed 10:1 . Well you dont have to get confused with the x1.6 factors . The reason I say this because 200/50 or 300/75 is the same its the ratio that counts .
Yes zoom lenses can be quite sharp , for what they are ... but they will never get you the sharpness of a true macro lens . The difference is : WOW ! . Trust me on this one.... You will couple a zoom lens to a zoom lens , this is the least sharp combination you could get . Other what they do is couple the 200mm macro lens to 50mm macro lens .
If you use your canon reversed set at 18mm the quality will be most probably be unusable . I say this because there is no super zoom that will be very good at 18mm . A prime 18mm costs like 500-600 pounds ... do you think people would buy prime lenses if they could buy a 28-300mm and cover the whole range ? It's all about sharpness and resolution . So you better set your reversed 18-55mm at 55mm and enjoy 4:1 magnification .... 10:1 will be most probably be unusable but youll never know unless you try a combination ... it's called optical marriage in photography , some just work , some just don't work even if they should .
Uv filter do nothing , except protect the lenses , because there already uv protection on the multicoatings of the lenses , and there uv protection on the sensor . I like hoya pro1 multicoated filters .
I am sure coupling two zoom lenses the quality will not that great , but if you use it at 150mm and the other at 35mm ( these are probably where the max sharpness of each lenses ) .
Why use the 18-55 with extension tubes for bugs ? Why not use the 28mm-200mm for bugs ? Set it at lets say 150mm and you will have a good working distance ... you wont be able to take macro shots of bugs with the 18-55(even when set at 55mm). Butterflies,dragons all will fear and leave A telephoto (100mm+ ) is very convinient for these tasks .
have fun
hmmm it depends on the lens , where it is it's minumum focus range . But anyway , if you set it to 50mm , you already have like 1:4 magnification already , just from the lens . So with 68mm extension you will get 1:1 + 1:4(not 4:1) = That will be something 1.4:1 if my math skills are correct . You can use it at 35mm and you will have greater magnification but the focus distance will be like 1cm in front of the lens , which in a controlled environment is great but in the field you cant take pics of bugs 1cm from the lens .
The rule of thumb is that 50mm of extension tube before a 50mm prime lens(set at infinity) will give you 1:1 magnification . But most prime lenses will already allow you to focus up to 30-40cm which is like 1:4 magnification ,add the extensions and it will be like 1.4:1 .
The only problem with the lenses you got is that the one has a 72mm filter thread and the other is 58mm , this means that you might get vignetting , the more the difference the more chances youll have of vignetting . So get a coupler ring 58mm->58mm and get a step up ring 58mm->72mm . It will cost you both like 10 pounds max and if they work correctly , youll have indeed 10:1 . Well you dont have to get confused with the x1.6 factors . The reason I say this because 200/50 or 300/75 is the same
its the ratio that counts . Yes zoom lenses can be quite sharp , for what they are ... but they will never get you the sharpness of a true macro lens . The difference is : WOW ! . Trust me on this one.... You will couple a zoom lens to a zoom lens , this is the least sharp combination you could get . Other what they do is couple the 200mm macro lens to 50mm macro lens .
If you use your canon reversed set at 18mm the quality will be most probably be unusable . I say this because there is no super zoom that will be very good at 18mm . A prime 18mm costs like 500-600 pounds ... do you think people would buy prime lenses if they could buy a 28-300mm and cover the whole range ?
It's all about sharpness and resolution . So you better set your reversed 18-55mm at 55mm and enjoy 4:1 magnification .... 10:1 will be most probably be unusable but youll never know unless you try a combination ... it's called optical marriage in photography , some just work , some just don't work even if they should . Uv filter do nothing , except protect the lenses , because there already uv protection on the multicoatings of the lenses , and there uv protection on the sensor . I like hoya pro1 multicoated filters .
I am sure coupling two zoom lenses the quality will not that great , but if you use it at 150mm and the other at 35mm ( these are probably where the max sharpness of each lenses ) .
Why use the 18-55 with extension tubes for bugs ? Why not use the 28mm-200mm for bugs ? Set it at lets say 150mm and you will have a good working distance ... you wont be able to take macro shots of bugs with the 18-55(even when set at 55mm). Butterflies,dragons all will fear and leave
A telephoto (100mm+ ) is very convinient for these tasks .have fun
