Vintage Colombian

[zachrockbadenof]

. back around this time 71' 72'. "THOSE WERE THE DAYS". none of this rocket fuel indica of today matched the smell of a large bag of good Columbian

yep the early 70's were the $hit... lots of the Colombian looked like crap brick-weed, but man it kicked ass.. I have not found any of today's hybrids that are anywhere near their equal..

when I hear how today's weed is stronger...blah.blah.blah... I just laugh...

 

[red rider]

Happy 2015!!!!

Happy 2015!!!!

I hope everyone is well. Here's a few photo's from the past for you.

Colombian coastal green in the beginning

Colombian grown (2,700mts) Sour Jack

Colombian grown Nirvana NL/Haze very good

Authentic Santa Marta Gold Grown out in Bogota 07

I hope that everyone has the best new year ever!

 

[Lesnah]

Hey RR, I've followed you for a few years now and must say that I've shared your same dream. To grow Landraces in their natural habitat and maximize their expressions. I'm from NY, but hope to one day grow in the Caribbean. I do have a pack of Colombian Gold from Jah Green and some Punto Rojo from charlie, but to get a hold of some real deal caribbean strains would be ideal; such of "fil rhouge", St. Lucian, St. Vincent, Haitian green etc. Not really interested in Jamaicans since there are quite a few already.

 

[red rider]

When those of us that can remember the fantastic buds from the past like Acapulco gold, Thai stick, Colombian Gold/red, it is a lot more than the effect of the weed that is cherished. It was the beautiful distinct colors, smells and taste that made them so special (as well as very different effects from all). Now was it just genetics that gave us those unique qualities? No it was the exotic growing locations and conditions that bought out such unique variety. Hawaiian had that island vibe (even though the genetics were most likely Afghani), Jamaican had a deep Rasta spiritual feeling to it and Thai stick was just fantastically exotic with a crazy strong high. Now you can obtain these exotic genetics and skilled growers can grow them out to produce top quality bud. The weed will be very good and potent but it will not be equal to the source, it will not even be close in smell, taste or effect. To reproduce “Colombian Gold” it has to be grown in Colombia where it has the growing conditions that made it what it is. This started my dream, first I thought about just getting the rare non exported Colombian seed to North America so all could grow their own Colombian. But that wouldn’t give you Colombian gold, that would give the best of your growing conditions be it indoor or out. It would be different than other strains but still not authentic. The Colombians I grew out here were of much higher quality than I ever had in the past but still unmistakably Colombian.
I’ve always wanted a small finca here to retire and grow my very own cannabis. Then with legalization spreading I thought maybe I could grow enough to export (legally) to a small market outside of Colombia. The same taste, smell and effect as the finest Colombian ever exported but in perfect condition. I would of course offer the seed as well to those who wish to try them at home. My dream is that one day you open your mailbox and there’s a perfectly packaged OZ of that gold. Next thing you know it’s 1972 and your front row at that zep concert.

 

[yesum]

Agree on location affecting the finished product. I think indoors you could get close with a good cmh light and some uvb added to the mix. Hi intensity light with a natural spectrum.

 

[genedigger]

my pops sold tons of bud in the 70s and he agrees that the columbian was his fav.he liked hawaiian alot too.most mexican was 20 buks a zip an had seeds alot of the time but the columbian was less compressed and never had seeds.the columbian was the most expensive at 40 a zip.dang those are cheap prices .i love it when the old man tells me stories of the buds back then.its kinda funny cause he has his med card now and grows and he has all sorts of cool strains and he says the weed of today is way stronger than back then.what he did say though is that there was a certain aroma and flavor associated with columbian that he misses and isnt present in the hybrids of today.

 

[red rider]

replicateing

replicateing

Agree on location affecting the finished product. I think indoors you could get close with a good cmh light and some uvb added to the mix. Hi intensity light with a natural spectrum.

I know that lighting has become much more sophisticated and truly fantastic results can be achieved. However there is just no way to replicate the high altitude equatorial sun and the mineral composition of the soil that produce the complex and unique cannabis profile. I've had indoor grown weed that was so good with flavors and smells with an effect that's mind numbingly good but for me it doesn't compare to the effects of a well grown high altitude outdoor tropical grow. For example you can take Cuban tobacco seed and grow it in Fla. it's a good cigar but it isn't as good as a real Cuban grown cigar. Or say Fosters beer that's brewed in Chile is very close but not exactly as good as the Fosters that's brewed in Australia. I'm sure I'm just very sensitive to some things, I can even tell the difference between Colombian that is grown at lower elevations (which is good stuff) for the high altitude grown stuff (what I prefer).

 

[red rider]

That smell

That smell

its kinda funny cause he has his med card now and grows and he has all sorts of cool strains and he says the weed of today is way stronger than back then.what he did say though is that there was a certain aroma and flavor associated with columbian that he misses and isnt present in the hybrids of today.

In my 40 some odd years of smoking I've never smelt or tasted any other cannabis that is the same as high quality Colombian. I'm not saying it's the best taste and smell but it is uniquely Colombian. Once you taste her you never forget her.

 

[Lesnah]

I know that lighting has become much more sophisticated and truly fantastic results can be achieved. However there is just no way to replicate the high altitude equatorial sun and the mineral composition of the soil that produce the complex and unique cannabis profile. I've had indoor grown weed that was so good with flavors and smells with an effect that's mind numbingly good but for me it doesn't compare to the effects of a well grown high altitude outdoor tropical grow. For example you can take Cuban tobacco seed and grow it in Fla. it's a good cigar but it isn't as good as a real Cuban grown cigar. Or say Fosters beer that's brewed in Chile is very close but not exactly as good as the Fosters that's brewed in Australia. I'm sure I'm just very sensitive to some things, I can even tell the difference between Colombian that is grown at lower elevations (which is good stuff) for the high altitude grown stuff (what I prefer).

I was about to mention tobacco as well since it's an easy analogy. Cuba's Pinar del Rio is the best area to grow tobacco on the planet, only place which comes close is the Dominican Republic's Cibao region.....not the same growing there than in some fancy facility "attempting" to recreate those conditions which have been produced over millennias.

 

[genedigger]

is the stuff grown lower in elevation weaker?i read an article about pot growing in spain and they found that a certain strain grown at a higher elevation produced more thc with less of a yield and the same strain grown in a valley in spain had a much bigger yield but 4to5%less thc.of course this wasnt columbian they were working with i believe it was a hybrid. i wonder if its like that with a pure columbian sativa and i bet you redryder may have el answer.

 

[red rider]

Altitude

Altitude

is the stuff grown lower in elevation weaker?i read an article about pot growing in spain and they found that a certain strain grown at a higher elevation produced more thc with less of a yield and the same strain grown in a valley in spain had a much bigger yield but 4to5%less thc.of course this wasnt columbian they were working with i believe it was a hybrid. i wonder if its like that with a pure columbian sativa and i bet you redryder may have el answer.

Well I can't say anything about yield but as far as raw potency the lower elevation stuff (almost typed shit but it's not)to me can be as strong or even stronger than the high altitude. The difference for me is in clarity and quality of the effect. The tropical (Bogota is sub tropical) grown Colombian to me is sleepy narcotic in effect where as the high altitude stuff is much deeper and motivating (more aphrodisiac) with a cleaner finish than the lower elevation grown. I enjoy a thought provoking enriching experience as opposed to dopy drugged out one. For me the difference is night & day.

 

[red rider]

As far as the new hybrids being stronger (more potent) I think to a certain degree that is indeed true. However in the past I grew out maybe twenty different imported strains along with several domestic strains of the highest quality. And I found very little difference in potency. The difference I found was in the quality of the effect. Not all strong cannabis is good but all good cannabis is strong. Let me expand, Nirvanas white rhino is the strongest weed I've ever grown or smoked hands down. It put me down quick and really relaxed the mind and body (physical medicine). Where as the SMG I took a little bit more but it brightened my attitude and made me feel good to be a human(soul medicine). The Rhino finished by putting me to sleep where the gold left me feeling refreshed and satisfied. For me strong is not always good or the best.

 

[Vash]

Wow....I'm drawn to this thread by the experiences I've had with the gold and red Colombian, specifically the Red. Whenever it's mentioned here, I step into a time machine and it takes me back to the 70's when I crossed paths with the Red. To this day, I still dream of running into that lady. If I knew then what I know now, I'd have kept seeds-probably to no avail. Here's hoping you can do something to revive that strain, red rider.

 

[Lesnah]

Hey red, if I'm not mistaken I think you mentioned "corinto" once...if not you it was definitely Charlie from CBG....but do you have any experience with Corinto? Supposedly grown on same land as colombian coffee.

 

[red rider]

I am sure that with global legalization looming exotic cannabis will once again be available, my only concern is that legalization happens in my life time. It would be so nice to see an old dude like me after taking a hit of real Colombian redbud, carrying him back to the day. Priceless. And how wonderful it will be to turn on the younger generation to an elite strain of cannabis they only heard about (from old dudes like me). This is my dream and has been for years.

Corinto Monster! Oh yes I know the Corinto. It was very prevalent here in Bogota back in 2003-2006 and some was very good. I don’t recall exactly where it’s gown but the zona cafetera sounds correct to me. Corinto purple was also available during those years but I don’t think it was any better than the green. However of the “named” samples I obtained here the best was said to be the famous Punto Rojo (I used to call it punta roja stupid gringo) in 2005. That Rojo was a perfect match for my cannabis receptors. Really good stuff effect and taste wise, not so much bag appeal.

I still buy from that same guy now that I did in 2003, but now all he has is Crippy. As a matter of fact I’m waiting for him to return from Santa Marta where his family is now. Before 2010 he would bring weed back when he went to visit during the holidays. Beautiful seeded golden buds from Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta and a few times some other fine strains from there that were equally good but not gold (coastal green). In 2005 I was also buying from a super-hot “Coastenia" (girl from the Atlantic coast) and she is the one I got the Punto Rojo from as well as some other redbud samples. The wife got jealous so I had to stop buying from her, she was very friendly maybe selling more then drugs.

 

[Lesnah]

I am sure that with global legalization looming exotic cannabis will once again be available, my only concern is that legalization happens in my life time. It would be so nice to see an old dude like me after taking a hit of real Colombian redbud, carrying him back to the day. Priceless. And how wonderful it will be to turn on the younger generation to an elite strain of cannabis they only heard about (from old dudes like me). This is my dream and has been for years.

Corinto Monster! Oh yes I know the Corinto. It was very prevalent here in Bogota back in 2003-2006 and some was very good. I don’t recall exactly where it’s gown but the zona cafetera sounds correct to me. Corinto purple was also available during those years but I don’t think it was any better than the green. However of the “named” samples I obtained here the best was said to be the famous Punto Rojo (I used to call it punta roja stupid gringo) in 2005. That Rojo was a perfect match for my cannabis receptors. Really good stuff effect and taste wise, not so much bag appeal.

I still buy from that same guy now that I did in 2003, but now all he has is Crippy. As a matter of fact I’m waiting for him to return from Santa Marta where his family is now. Before 2010 he would bring weed back when he went to visit during the holidays. Beautiful seeded golden buds from Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta and a few times some other fine strains from there that were equally good but not gold (coastal green). In 2005 I was also buying from a super-hot “Coastenia" (girl from the Atlantic coast) and she is the one I got the Punto Rojo from as well as some other redbud samples. The wife got jealous so I had to stop buying from her, she was very friendly maybe selling more then drugs.

Haha, yea the most beautiful Colombian women residing in NYC tell me they're "Costeras" Mainly from Barranquilla and Cartagena....the cities which transport Coke to the Dominican Republic. These beautiful creatures look like porn stars with some etiquette sprinkled on. You talk so much about the punto rojo that I think I;ll have to get more beans and preserve the line best I can.

 

[merc500]

to find find the columbian of old first you will have to find the farmers who were growing it 40 years ago . they are getting up there in age now. go way back in to the mountains and if you do find that seed from long ago.you have hit the jackpot of all

 

[Sideshow-Bob]

Hey redrider

Glad to see you posting again! always love to read your descriptions of your experiences in colombia!

In the past weeks i fell in love with colombian herb too, the oaxaca x punto rojo i got from charlie (cannabiogen) are some of the finest herbs i have ever tasted and the effect is unmatched for me: very care-free, happy, motivating, all around feel good herb

vaping some as we speak can't wait to try the pure punto rojo and mangobiche too...

good vibes to colombia

 

[red rider]

Places

Places

Finding the best seed here does indeed require going out and finding the older growers. However my situation here is somewhat unique because I’m married into a rather “upper class” Colombian family. And even though they know I smoke and love the herb they look at it as an evil drug for crazy street people and homosexuals. So it’s not easy for me to go strain hunting out in the bush.

Colombian grower Boyacá Department

Over the years I’ve been lucky to find the rare elite Colombians that haven’t been exported in decades if at all. However most of these strains were not obtained directly from the grower because of the remoteness of their locations and the culture here. Colombians really want to get away from their “narco traffing” reputation and can take quite offense at asking about any drugs.

Santa Marta beach

It’s kind of funny because my wife’s family and she love the plants, they think their beautiful and the wife has 4 or 5 plants growing in our house now. But at the slightest suggestion of going out to the campo looking for seed is like an insult to them. Like I’m trying to exploit the poor Colombian peasants or something.

Boyacá highlands (3,500mts)

German, my decade old contact here in Bogota to me is a super righteous guy, he has a family and a very good legal business and yet my wife won’t let him in our house. I mean German doesn’t even get high on anything and he gets me the best Crippy as a personal favor. Really I have more than enough seed stock, what I need now is a decent place to grow them.

Cartagena of the Indies

Hi, Sideshow it’s good to be back writing and sharing about the experience here. I’ve never had Colombian grown outside of the country (maybe I have and don’t know it) so I don’t know how it compares to the domestic. However I’m sure that pure Colombian strains in the hands of a competent cultivator be it under lights or outdoors at a northern latitude is going to produce very high quality bud. I encourage all to grow her because it is really high quality potent genetics. Although to get the authentic look, taste, smell and even effect it has to be grown here in its native environment.

Villa de Leyva Boyacá Department
I have more stories coming as they happen.

 

[merc500]

Columbian weed came in by the TONS back in the 70's. you would need landrace seed from the past grown in the same local soils under that strong equatorial sun in order to have the weed from the past . . it can't be replicated