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Vinegar problems in Hydro?

THoC

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Im having a problem with some mandala seedlings Im growing ( or trying ) in my flood/drain system. They @ 4 weeks old.I started them in peat pots with seed starter soil and on week 3 moved them into the hydro setup.

First 2 weeks watered by hand with plain tap water ( set out for a week ) no Nutes.PH of 6.7
In hydro I have been changing the reservoir weekly with 5 gallons tap water ( set out for a week )

Third week
New reservoir solution PH 5.8
5/8 teaspoon MG ( tomato ) for 5 gallons of water

Fourth week
Old resevoir solution PH 6.2 ( which is around what I was expecting after a week)
New reservoir solution PH 5.7
1 1/4 tsp MG ( tomato ) for 5 gallons.
Temperature was 72F ( not bad since I had turned of the heater in the grow roow last weekend )
Humidity was 50%

They spouted on March 4th and have had rather slow and unremarkable growth to this point. All of them are pale in color and the early leaves are 'somewhat' krinklely.
Week 2 example:


Week 3, I noticed that some of the leaves where droopy...however rather stiff. The stems where also rather stiff. I believed that they where being over watered and I adjusted the system to flood/drain once a day and adjusted the solution level so it rose to just 1 inch below the growing medium ( Schultz Aquatic Plant Soil )
example:


Week 4 ( now! ) The leaves are still very stiff but not droopy ( maybe i got the over watering fixed...). Im actually afraid to handle them fearing they might crumble. They do not at all feel like young nubile plants. They are overall pale green. No current pics
PH was at 7.0!!! :yoinks: way too high and very very unusual.

I went through the guide to see whats going on. The yellowing seemed like N def but there should more than enough nutrients for these young plants. The leaf and stem stiffness seemed to point towards a def in Sulfur and perhaps Zinc. There sould be more than enuf nutes for them so I think I have PH lockout. But I could figure out why there was such a huge jump in PH.

While going through the guide I found That Stitch recommends NOT using vinegar to lower PH in hydro systems. Up until this current grow Ive never used vingar to lower my PH but started to try it on this grow, having read that it was an alternative.

So I did a very very week solution foliar feeding on the plants and after an hour sprayed them thoroughly with just water ( PH 6.7 ) to rinse the nutes off. Replaced the reservoir solution and balanced the PH to 5.8 using PHdown keeping the nutes at 1 1/4 tsp per 5 gallons. Now to wait and see.

anyway am I missing something?
Stitch you mentioned not to use vinegar in hydro. why?

thanks
 
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viniger has no staying power is why...get some ph down or if you want to be a cheap bastard like me go get a quart of sulphuric acid from the auto parts store and mix one cup to one gallon of water and you will have one gallon of super concentrated ph down...the stuff is battery acid so be careful not to get it in your eyes or on your skin in concentrated form..my quart has lasted me over 3 years and and is only halfway empty or half full depending how you look at it...and if your ph is 7.0 then your plants cant uptake the nutrients and that is why you are showing defeciancys...fix ph first before adjusting feeding is my humble opinion...stitch is way more on top of this stuff than i am...im sure she will be around...peace
 

THoC

Member
Thnx Upgrade,

Was thinking thats what was going on. Wont do that again. I still have my PHdown and used it when I changed the Res last nite. Im away from my grow during the week and wasnt able to monitor the PH daily.

Battery acid hmmmmm. Dont think Ill go there either! :)

cheers
 

BadTicket

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Just get a liter bottle of PH down. Should be under 20 bux no matter what brand you choose. I have the GHeuro stuff, bought it a year ago and i still have ½ liter to go. Easy to apply too with a pipet. One drop per ½ a liter of water (no nutes) and u need no PH meters. Of course keep in mind that our tap water is prolly very different so this might not work for you, but something similar should do.


Here's what my drippers usually look @ about 3 weeks. (take a few days)
 

THoC

Member
Thanks again guys ( gals? )

The plants look better this morning, the foliar feeding helped and the res is good to go.
No more vinegar for me!
cheers
 

THoC

Member
Chiefsmokingbud:
Yeah they look over-watered in those photos, which where from a few weeks ago. I had fixed that earlier in the grow. I believe I had compounded issues there. I tried to introduce a few new variables in this grow and had to look at them all to see which where doing what.

BTW the plants have shown sign of reviving. The foliar feeding seemed to have helped and the resevoir PH is staying steady ( only a couple of days I know ) having used PHdown.

upgradeshafted: Oh I understand Sulfuric Acid. I have a few pair of pants that have burn holes and slow 'rot' due to it. lol
I use it for Patina-ing brass. Love the smell!

thanks everyone
 
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MynameStitch

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upgradeshafted said:
viniger has no staying power is why...get some ph down or if you want to be a cheap bastard like me go get a quart of sulphuric acid from the auto parts store and mix one cup to one gallon of water and you will have one gallon of super concentrated ph down...the stuff is battery acid so be careful not to get it in your eyes or on your skin in concentrated form..my quart has lasted me over 3 years and and is only halfway empty or half full depending how you look at it...and if your ph is 7.0 then your plants cant uptake the nutrients and that is why you are showing defeciancys...fix ph first before adjusting feeding is my humble opinion...stitch is way more on top of this stuff than i am...im sure she will be around...peace

This right here summed it up very nicely!
 

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