vic highs supersoil mix?

[Guest]

hi all. does anybody know if this mix is for vegging and flowering or just for flowering. if it is for vegging then how many weeks of veg is it for? my hydro shop gave me the mix and said not to put seedlings or freshly rooted clones in this composted mix b/c it is to strong.
the thing i like about this mix is that according to my hydro shop pal is that with this mix you dont need anything but straight water (similar to the moonshine mix) and you dont even have to adjust the PH b/c the "living soil" will adjust everything on its own. now that to me is cool.
the only prob i see with this mix is that i believe it is designed with a vegging period and since you can only put well established plants in this mix that ends up being a long veg period b/c a plant from seed isnt well established until it is about three weeks old so now you have a plant that is three weeks into veg and once you transplant into the supersoil you have to veg it for im guessing another four weeks to make sure the plants use up the veg ferts in the soil so in total you have roughly 7-8 weeks of veg to contend with. any help with this would be awesome. thanks.

 

[Guest]

here is the mix

here is the mix

1 bale of promix
15-30 lbs. of wormcastings
4 cups of dried blood
8 cups of bone meal
4 cups of kelp
4 cups of dolomite lime
1 1/3 cups of epsom salt

 

[Guest]

n-p-k

n-p-k

i just came looked at the n-p-k value for the ingredients in this mix using epsoma products and it seems more like a veg mix cause it looks low in phosphorus and potash.
wormcastings 1-0-0
dried blood 12-0-0
bone meal 4-12-0
kelp meal 1-0-2

 

[Guest]

what if i used pre mixed amendments

what if i used pre mixed amendments

i was thinking instead of using these amendments couldnt i just usa couple bags of rainbow mix bloom or peace of mind fruit&flower instead to ensure a mix that is more balanced. either way the mix is going to have to be composted right?

 

[Guest]

i wish i could make a mix that i could start seedlings in that had enough ferts for veg and bloom and still used straight water that didnt need to be PH adjusted. basically a mix with a strong enough ecosystem to self adjust the PH but also a mix with enough ferts for veg and bloom that wouldnt burn delicate seedlings or clones. now that would be sweet.

 

[Guest]

use peat and earth worm castings and after the littel leafs on the bottom start to yelow feed fish 5-1-1.and eart worm tea

 

[Guest]

any other thoughts?

 

[Guest]

cant i just throw some rainbow mix grow in the promix along with some extra perlite, wormcasting, and inoculants and then just put the seeds in that mix and give straight water. that should provide enough food for at least the first 4-6 weeks of veg right?

 

[Guest]

were are all the gurus

were are all the gurus

i cant believe nobody can tell me if what im thinking is correct

 

[vonforne]

you are correct treegrower. I wouldn't mix it that hot for seedlings, clones maybe. The raindow mix is all organic and their grow is balanced with all kinds of stuff. I use the FF Fruit and flower but switch to Indo guano for flower or use the Phos. only in the FF Peace of Mind. Yes, compost the mix for 2 wks or more. With what you have use....

promix, wormcastings, kelp meal. get some mushroom compost and you could add either the rainbow mix by tablespoon or add the admendments you listed earlier the same way.

 

[judas cohen]

High! I find it strange you aren't getting much response. Maybe everybody is busy with personal stuff or something as I have found this to be a great site with friendly helpful members. Anyway, you asked for ideas and suggestions.

I'm assuming you haven't bought the amendments since you're considering Rainbow Mix. I think it's good stuff and your plan will work. Vic's SuperSoil will also work. Notice that the Bonemeal is 8 cups.

As for seedlings, why not mix perlite and w/c for the starting container and transplant into the Rainbow or Vic's after about two weeks.

My Moonshine ingredients just arrived this afternoon and I plan to sprout in coir/perlite/worm castings in 4" containers, transplant into gallon pots of the plain 3 bag mix for veg until 12" after topping; and transplant into 3 gal buckets of the veg mix with the POM 5-8-4 added for the flowering phase.

I'm dividing up my soil into 1/3 veg mix and 2/3 flower mix. (with the seedling mix a separate mix.) I use about 1 qt of seedling mix, plus about 3/4 gal of veg mix, plus about 2 gal of flower mix equals about 3 gal of soil total for each plant.

If you intend to transplant twice, why not transplant into soil that's mixed for each phase of the plant's life and just add water throughout the grow.

The thing to do is the thing that feels best to you. You can always make improvements on your next grow as you learn what works for you.

If you decide to go with the Rainbow Mix, add 1 or 2 tablespoons dolometic lime per gal of soil because of the peat moss in the promix. Also, I would use RainBow 5-5-2 in my veg mix and transplant into the Rainbow 1-9-2 for flower rather than just use one soil mix for the entire grow.

Happy Growing!

 

[vonforne]

and treegrower, just water in the epson salts.

 

[Guest]

composting is the key

composting is the key

thanks guys and gals. from what i see in this forum or any where else where people are amending the medium w/ organics is you must first let it compost so that the microbial life can break down the organic matter to make it more readily available to the plants.
i called fox farm and asked them if i had to compost first using the peace of mind ferts and they said no because the nutes are instantly available to the plants but that seems contrary to what everyone in the mj community does (and of course i didnt tell the gal on the phone thats what im growing). maybe we let things compost to allow the dolomite lime time to break down but if we used powdered dolomite lime wouldnt that eliminate the need to compost? i know that composting is also a period to let the microherd develope and get strong but if you inoculate the medium with the first watering using products such as subculture or bio_magic or ej catalyst or AN pirahna/ voodoo juice wouldnt that eliminate such a lengthy composting considering your microherd is instantly available? yes i know its still a good idea to compost for at least two weeks to let the beneficials colonize even further. also the ff peace of mind ferts have humus and beneficials added as well as promix (minus the humus) if thats what you use.

 

[Guest]

so i think what im going to do using suby's basic soil mix is just make an amended mix for each stage of growth. one for seedlings (wich is just going to be suby's basic mix until the first/round leaves turn yellow), one for veg, and one for flower. ill just amend the mixes for veg and flowering at diff strengths. ill give each mix its own rubbermaid tote and just let them sit there and compost (after i water them w/ inoculants) until i need them. sounds cool right?

 

[Guest]

1 bale of promix
15-30 lbs. of wormcastings
4 cups of dried blood
8 cups of bone meal
4 cups of kelp
4 cups of dolomite lime
1 1/3 cups of epsom salt

Use a starting mix for seedlings (no fertilizer). Then use this mix above for veg and for flowering all you have to do is switch the blood and bone meals ..

 

[Guest]

so you think vic highs mix is more of a veg mix huh? me too though i read somewhere that it was desined for 4-6 weeks of veg. and the whole flowering cycle too. so all ya gotta do is switch the bone and blood meal for more of a flowering mix huh?

 

[Guest]

Yes.. also good bone meal like fox farm has less than 4 N as it is used less in flower.