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Very poor flower production since changes to grow. Pics inside.

Xanode

Member
Sorry for the long post, but I have added as much info as possible.

Short:
Made changes to tent for summer
Flower development since change is abysmal
Is it glass in hood effecting intensity?
Change to RO(although plant is healthy as..)
High temps(my diagnosis)?
Symptoms are similar to light leak, without the herm flowers, but i cannot find a leak.
Pls help
THX

LONG:
First some general info:

Afgan skunk from clone on day 5 of week 5(8-10 weeks norm)
In a 1x2m tent, running a 400w hps(less than 6 months old) in an air cooled hood.

OUT: Filter>fan>duct>hood>duct>window
IN: window>filter(outside tent)>duct>fan(inside tent)

RO, canna AB coco, GH silica(adding this in preperation for heat stress) canna coir. 500-800ppm, 5.8 - 6ph. *Temp day: 28-34d*, temp night: 24-30d, humidity: 50-80%.

The problem I'm having is that since making upgrades to my growtent for summer, Bud production is slow, airy and has no vigor.

Note on overall plant health: its great, no dead leaves, no discoloring, little to no purpling(tells me cal/mag is ok?). There is some stretch from heat stress but at the end of the day all vegetative parts look great, but flower development is abysmal.

The changes I've made are:

*(these are to battle the summer heat here)Inlet and exhaust fans(hyper 6inches), Air cooled hood, New carbon filter(phresh)

*Switched from tap to RO water(Haven't noticed any deficiencies in veg or bloom, in fact all the little niggles I used to have are gone since the switch, plants haven't looked better, in veg anyway.)

*(I'm hoping this is the cause, because then i know how to fix it)Change in seasons to summer, i pretty much put this plant into flower at the height of our summer(25-45degress). I know full well that this is way too hot, but there's not much i can do without AC except for optimizing my tents air exchange as best as possible. My plan was to knuckle down and bare it and I get what I get till cooler weather, but wasn't expecting them to look this bad.

*(I'm hoping this is NOT what it is)This looks almost like symptoms of light leak, but with zero male flower development(is that possible?) I check and double checked(sat in the tent for nearly an hour and still couldn't see any sign of light leak(complete darkness, can't see hand in front of face).

*Lastly, could it be the change to the air cooled hood, mainly the glass on the hood. I have been reading that adding glass in front of a grow bulb can reduce its output, also have read that adding airflow around the bulb compounds this. Can there be that much of a reduction that its causing this poor growth?

Week 4


Week 5 MORE PICS IN NEXT POST
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Cut from same mom from previous harvest, same age comparison:
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This is how it should be looking:
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A note about the strain im growing, all plants are clones from an afghan skunk mom from seed. I have been growing this since before the switch without problems, so I kinda know how the pheno i have grows and that it will produce good fruit, so im ruling out the strain.

Ill post some pic of a past harvest before the changes.

Massive thanks for any help
 

maimunji

Active member
Looks like she try to reveg check double, triple for light leak. Maybe pheno is strong and stress doesn't put her to make nanners. Enter in grow space and wait 15 minutes. Or can be from too hot like you said she stretch to reach cooler temp.
 

maimunji

Active member
Sorry I read carefully your posts I see you check very well for light leak. So you answer to your questions- heat...
 

Xanode

Member
Cheers for the reply, i think you have helped my quickly with other probs.

As crazy as it sounds, I hope the problem is heat stress.

Because if it is a light leak, god knows where it is....

Can i rule out nutrition, due to the overall health of the plant? Wouldnt i be seeing other symptoms if nutrient stress was the problem?
 

maimunji

Active member
I think plants is healthy enought to produce good harvest wait other people to give you they answers.I think air cooled hood isn't problem there. What brand is? How is light spread? Are plant is in Hempy bucket?
If you are in hempy check roots at the bottom I have plant in coco hempy and for some reason roots doesn't want to grow inside the perlite at the bottom and stay only on coco. Plant never rootbound at the bottom and reach full potencial. She stay small compare to others I never find the reason?
 

maimunji

Active member
And I remember you from anouther thread you start and there you say temp hit 45c some days are temps continuous to hit this targets?
 

Xanode

Member
And I remember you from anouther thread you start and there you say temp hit 45c some days are temps continuous to hit this targets?

Thank god not everyday, but we get 2-3 days in the mid 40s.

Check this pic out, this is what it was in the sun the other day(luckily i run lights at night aye):
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maimunji

Active member
Don't know what to say. Aufull. I also run light at night here temps hit max 35c summer. I think hight temp at night cycle cause plants to stretch if temp at night reach 28-30 this can be a reason.
 

rjrom90

Active member
Since you installed the air cooled hood, you will now need a way to circulate fresh air (or supplemental CO2) into the grow. If the ducting is now isolated, your previous fresh air source would be flowing through the fixture with no chance to reach the plants.
 

Xanode

Member
Since you installed the air cooled hood, you will now need a way to circulate fresh air (or supplemental CO2) into the grow. If the ducting is now isolated, your previous fresh air source would be flowing through the fixture with no chance to reach the plants.

big thx for the reply but I'm not quite sure I follow, but my airflow is described:

My airflow system is as follows:

Fresh air > Duct from window into bottom of tent with intake fan residing inside the tent > pedestal fan inside tent moving air around > carbon filter > Exhaust fan(pushing) > duct > hood > duct out top of tent > duct to window > Hot air

My airflow system is working quite well in regards to keeping inside/outside tent temps pretty close. My fans have built-in speed controllers and if i dial my intake and exhaust properly i can get my inside tent temperature to within a degree of outside tent temps.

Would this be causing any problems?
 

Lester Beans

Frequent Flyer
Veteran
To me the plant looks to need some cal/mag. Your switch to RO water requires to supplement cal/mag. Other than that looks good.
 

Dakine

Active member
Veteran
Lacking of any nute the plant needs will reduce flower production..But when I look at your pics and the comparison of what they looked like at the same age in flower, makes me think something else is in play..

If she was trying to re veg, then most def that would happen.. have you looked at her roots? It's just to big of A difference to be lacking in nutes in my experience.. I'm thinking it could possibly be some virus or disease that we cannot see with the naked eye..
 

Xanode

Member
Could too much silica cause this? i did go quite heavy with it at .5ml/ltr every watering.

I will see if i can pop the plant out of its pot to look at the roots, but the roots coming from drain holes are white and fluffy.
 

Ratzilla

Member
Veteran
Xanode been looking at your pics and re-reading over the information you put up and I must say the only thing that jumps out to me is your change from tap to RO.
Usually I would think that this would be a good thing!
I use capture rain water and I add nothing to it no cal-mag or anything but my medium is loaded with calcium.
You seem on top of everything environmental so i'am leaning to what your giving them.
Is there any way for you to start giving a plant or two tap water again?
It just might be a clue ?
Wishing you the best!
Ratzilla :tiphat:
 
Is this your first grow during the summer?

Your temps are high but your humidity seem fairly high as well so I wouldn't think it's a VPD issue. It's strange because your plants doesn't show any signs of heat stress either, no leaves curled up or fans praying.

Like others have said maybe the RO water is doing something weird but your plants look so healthy that if it was a deficiency of some sort it would show up in the leaves.

I wonder if the RO water could have just thrown the ratio's of your nutrient availabilties off.
 

Xanode

Member
yea, switched straight back to tap a couple of days ago and things have improved a bit(but the damage is already done, looks like its done setting flowers), im just using the carbon filter stage to remove chlorine.

If its not mainly heat stress and there's no light leaks then its gotta be the RO. I do have a bottle of gh calmag but i need to learn to dial it in in flower i guess, really want to move away from tap, my veg plants have never looked better with ONLY canna A/B and RO set to 5.8. With how good veg looks with the RO i was really expecting the flowers to look great also :(

Thanks for the help everyone, keep it coming.
 
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