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Vert coco setup: 1800w
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(*slaps forehead) amazing man...what a great setup, I love the DTW and your manifold and clean setup....looks simple enough that even a guy as stupid as me might be able to build it,but Ima gunna try weed doughnuts first.....VERY nice job BldSwtTrs!
Props on the clean set up!
I love seeing clean grows, it makes me get my act together...
I love seeing clean grows, it makes me get my act together...
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DaveTheNewbie
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irishdude5186
These kind of setups are gorgous I must say. I do share concerns like most people here about over crowding at the corners but that can be solved numerous ways. I want to build this but circular and the pots angled towards the light. I have "adjustable" ceilings (barn grow) and this setup would maximise my head space.
Please, please carry on giving us your thoughts on the system and please please (if you can) stick with this system for a couple of runs to tell us things only a few runs can tell us. Much appreciated if you do. Your manifold gives me a hard on, seriously.
Please, please carry on giving us your thoughts on the system and please please (if you can) stick with this system for a couple of runs to tell us things only a few runs can tell us. Much appreciated if you do. Your manifold gives me a hard on, seriously.
Hi BST,I'm loving your design,and build quality.
My only concern would be it might get a bit warm at the top,obviously it not causing you any issues,but I can't help thinking with those three
bulbs going straight up to the ceiling,and no air movement over the top plants it's got to heat up.
My only concern would be it might get a bit warm at the top,obviously it not causing you any issues,but I can't help thinking with those three
bulbs going straight up to the ceiling,and no air movement over the top plants it's got to heat up.
BldSwtTrs
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Yea dude I have ran donuts before and they are not quite as efficient as vert stacks...
The advantages of the overlapping light are pretty legit...
Outside diameter of all the space the racks take up is 8 feet, but you would need a bit more if you want to move them around.
Each rack is exactly 4' wide.
Ha big fan of yours man. All my grows are clean because I am anal as shit and end up wasting time and money to make things look clean lol. Oh well...
BldSwtTrs
Member
Tryin to be bro...
Thanks for the props bro.
Now... as far as circles/octos vs squares I have ran both... and...
I don't think either is better than the other because...
Its all about space... If you design a circle to have the same open space as a square then there is the same amount of space for the plants to take up so...
If you have the same sized unit (regardless of shape) and same number of plants then it doesn't matter what shape the unit is in because...
Light penetrates a given radius of a circle so if you fit a square or circle in that area all plants will be getting the same amount of light... so...
All that being said I have switched to squares lately because square systems are easier to design and therefore generally cheaper.
Sorry for the terrible description bro I am not great at explaining things. If that doesn't make sense let me know and I can draw some pictures and upload them...
BldSwtTrs
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Thanks man.
I have ran vert systems for a long time and never used anything more than a simple (small) floor fan to "push" the head up and out of the system.
I have a ~9" cheap fan pointed up directly under the light stack which pushes all the head up and then out the sides of the racks. The fan is set on low so it creates a heat convection.
Cool air is sucked up from the bottom (head rises so the air will be cooler the closer it is to the floor) and pushes it up the light stack and then out the sides.
If you put your hand up to the rack towards the top you can actually feel warm air being pushed out.
All my temps listed are canopy temps not room temps so...
With 1800 watts and just a floor fan canopy temps are still ~82 degrees only a few inches away from the bulb which is perfect for co2 rooms.
Once again sorry for the long explanation. If that doesn't properly explain it I can draw some pictures and upload them.
Beautiful set up BldSwtTrs.
My eye also went to the bulb right under the ceiling. If it's going to be this close, seems there should be something fireproof in between.
My eye also went to the bulb right under the ceiling. If it's going to be this close, seems there should be something fireproof in between.
BldSwtTrs
Member
Here are a couple of shots of my new beds...
First time running 2k watts over a 4x8 bed and I have to say I am LOVING it...
If everything is proportional to my 1200w tables then I should be able to pull 5lbs off of the 4x8 tables...
The 1k watts really just have some extra juice or something because the plants just look more robust and everything else is the same.
The 4x8s seem to be a better use of space overall which I like...
My orca tunnels... the top reflectors can be moved up and down easily as they are hanging on chains with S hooks...
The side panels can be easily removed as they are attached using velcrow...
Slightly different, but the same deal.
REALLY liking these 4x8s with 2k watts!
First time running 2k watts over a 4x8 bed and I have to say I am LOVING it...
If everything is proportional to my 1200w tables then I should be able to pull 5lbs off of the 4x8 tables...
The 1k watts really just have some extra juice or something because the plants just look more robust and everything else is the same.
The 4x8s seem to be a better use of space overall which I like...
My orca tunnels... the top reflectors can be moved up and down easily as they are hanging on chains with S hooks...
The side panels can be easily removed as they are attached using velcrow...
Slightly different, but the same deal.
REALLY liking these 4x8s with 2k watts!
BldSwtTrs
Member
Thanks bro!
Its a few inches away and I have ran it without the fan with no problems...
PLUS the "ceiling" is actually orca liner so if there were head issues it would simply melt. No fire hazard because above the orca is another 3 inch air gap.
I hear ya on the stacked bulbs. Best donut run was with 2 600s at 30 zips.
I am needing to get the racks a little tighter.
Iirc the spread on a 600 is 36", and I want the outside to be no more than 48" so I can fit 4 per room. I have all my equipment outside the room so I need to cram as much in there as possible.
My first thought is running 2 #2 smart pots per side, per row, with the ability to stack them as equipment allows. If I put a screen on the racks and strap the bitches to the screen I should be able to keep the canopy from growing into the light, yet keep my outside footprint within my space constraints.
I know it's gonna be tight, just curious on your thoughts...
I am needing to get the racks a little tighter.
Iirc the spread on a 600 is 36", and I want the outside to be no more than 48" so I can fit 4 per room. I have all my equipment outside the room so I need to cram as much in there as possible.
My first thought is running 2 #2 smart pots per side, per row, with the ability to stack them as equipment allows. If I put a screen on the racks and strap the bitches to the screen I should be able to keep the canopy from growing into the light, yet keep my outside footprint within my space constraints.
I know it's gonna be tight, just curious on your thoughts...
hempyftw
Member
Inspirational!
Inspirational!
I love seeing these well run vert racks. Looks like your gonna kill it man.
Based on the way your talking, you've never brought one of those 4x8's all the way home yet? It looks like it's plugging along very nicely though!
I'm surprised to see someone who is already about to kill it with a vert rack try going back to using something as a reflector. Your results will be very interesting! It just seems like once you realize it's inefficient to reflect light, most people don't go back to reflecting it.
Although plenty of people out there killing it with reflectors of different sorts. Really like your idea of using the orca as an adjustable reflector.
Thanks for sharing, can't wait to see how it works out!
Inspirational!
I love seeing these well run vert racks. Looks like your gonna kill it man.
Based on the way your talking, you've never brought one of those 4x8's all the way home yet? It looks like it's plugging along very nicely though!
I'm surprised to see someone who is already about to kill it with a vert rack try going back to using something as a reflector. Your results will be very interesting! It just seems like once you realize it's inefficient to reflect light, most people don't go back to reflecting it.
Although plenty of people out there killing it with reflectors of different sorts. Really like your idea of using the orca as an adjustable reflector.
Thanks for sharing, can't wait to see how it works out!
Wow ! Both your set ups are so clean and well executed. Way impressive.
looks like you need a hobbit to crawl in there and water for you. i volunteer.....lol
BldSwtTrs
Member
Whats your plant count and veg time per donut? This would definitely influence my decision... but...
With 8-12 plants and 2-3 week veg I would do this...
Place your plants in a TIGHT circle directly under the bulb and train them out and then back through the screen. That way your donut size is limited to the size of your screen/canopy.
A 2-3 week veg should give plenty of vertical height so that you can basically put all the puts under the screen/netting/whatever in a circle that is SMALLER than your screen. Then...
Train your plants to grow to the outside of the screen until they are tall enough and then just train them through your scrog...
In all my past donuts I just used garden fencing and then zip tied the ends to create a circle. Simple, sturdy, and cheap. You could hand it from the ceiling or make small stands to hand it from. Whatever you want...
Bad description, but I could easily draw it out on paper and upload it as a pic if needed. Let me know what ya need bro...
BldSwtTrs
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Hey man yea I have brought a 4x8 all the way home, but it only had 1200w on it. I was experimenting with my orca tunnels and thought there was a small chance I could get by with the reduced wattage. Pull wasn't bad at about 44 oz, but I think they will do MUCH better with 2k watts...
As far as the vert vs the coco beds the verdict is still out. One might be a better GPW while the other might be a better use of time, space, money. I am trying to chose the best overall option to run on a large scale. I would love to do all verts because I think I could probably achieve a higher GPW, but they take up quite a bit more space than the tables...
Will know soon though. Thanks for dropping in bro.
