Veg & Pot size questions

[Cregg Schinkel]

Greetings gang! I want to grow massive tree's once I'm allowed to grow. To do so I'm thinking about vegging ALL YEAR LONG! I'm thinking start cuts in June, keeping them vegging aaaaaalll year long, trimming them and shit so they're REAL BUSHY AND BIG then putting them out the next june in some massive pot/container gimmick and grow some massive bushes!


So my questions are as followed!
What size pot for a year long veg? 5, 7, 10 or 15 gallon pot?

What size pot for flower?
I'm thinking a 32 gallon or 55 gallon BRUTE trash can or on the higher end a 155 gallon storage tank from Aquatic Ecosystems... Its much more expensive but if it's what I need to grow some BIG FUCKIN TREE'S ill do what I have to do.

Plan on getting holes drilled into some of my property and place the trash bins underground like big pots filled with Bog's soil mix.


Anyone grow in any way comparable to this? Any info would be greatly appreciated! THANKS GUYS!

 

[packerfan79]

Your going to have problems veging that long.in a year ur going to need a fuckin huge smarti

 

[setitonfire]

Start with something small and then gradually increase pot size each time you pot up as the plant requires. You will then know what the right final pot size is for your plants. Airpots ftw

 

[Cregg Schinkel]

Thanks for the help guys! I don't care much for smart pots because they don't have the depth that plants need IMO. I'll see what I can do.

 

[IGROWMYOWN]

have you ever tried smarties or geopots or any cloth pot? and what do you mean by "depth plants need"?

 

[Cregg Schinkel]

What I mean by depths plants need is that, in my opinion, the depth of those smart pots are not deep enough with only 2 feet in depth. I read Tom Hills idea that roots won't go more than 2 feet down due to lack of oxygen but I respectfully disagree based on my prior botanical studies as well as what these quick google searches brought up: http://biology.duke.edu/jackson/oecol96d.htm and http://www.deeproot.com/blog/blog-entries/how-deep-do-tree-roots-really-grow

The 500 gallon grow bed thread has been quite helpful in that he said he had plants from February in a 10 gallon pot. I'm thinking maybe a 20 gallon BRUTE trash can for vegging could do the trick.

I'm also thinking 65 to 155 gallons of soil may not be enough! There for I'm weighing making 4 x 4 x 4 foot plywood bed which I can bury indeed ground with the help of machinery. Speaking of machinery, I'm hoping to rent a cement mixer to easily mix all this soil n stuff. Cement mixers can mix 243 cubic feet worth of soil mix which equals 3.8 64 cubic foot grow beds.

Also also also thinking about mixing in Lava Rock in my big pots. Lava rock is just like perlite in that it is porous and jagged so that it can retain water and oxygen but has the added benefit of adding silica to the soil, while I'm starting to think regular sized perlite doesn't hold quite the same benefits for a 16 foot plant that it does for a 3 foot plant.

THIS IS SO MUCH FUN!

 

[anonymousgrow]

Is this a joke? If you are going to try go for it but you will need thousands of gallons of soil. I saw a 15+ pound blue dream last year that was started in December and harvested the following November. It wasn't as good as the bud from the same cut started in may though.

 

[Cregg Schinkel]

No it's not a joke and I find it rude that you would suggest so. It's a labor of love. I want to produce plants that would break records and be the apple of any growers eye once I'm able to legally grow.

I don't see what would make a plant started in December less "good" than one grown from May. Unless the grower stressed the fuck out of it.

If I can only legally grow 6-9 plants I want to make them world class. Regardless of price or effort. This is about economics & science.

 

[Meds215]

No it's not a joke and I find it rude that you would suggest so. It's a labor of love. I want to produce plants that would break records and be the apple of any growers eye once I'm able to legally grow.

I don't see what would make a plant started in December less "good" than one grown from May. Unless the grower stressed the fuck out of it.

If I can only legally grow 6-9 plants I want to make them world class. Regardless of price or effort. This is about economics & science.

some strains dont like to veg that long they will try and preflower or do something weird

 

[RB26]

Not to sound rude, but 5-15 gallon pots will fill up in a couple of weeks. 100 gallon pots get filled in one outdoor season. You would probably need upwards of 500-1000 gallons of soil per plant. Not to mention a few thousand watts of light per plant.

I hope you have a vast warehouse.

 

[Cregg Schinkel]

Thanks guys! These are the answers I'm looking for. That wasn't rude at all! A newbie asking a question and being called a joke is rude.

I want to push the limits.

 

[anonymousgrow]

Have you grown any full season plants? How many plants have you pushed to even 10 months of life? you seem like you have little firsthand experience. not trying to be rude just trying to help you not set your self up for failure. if you had 30 years under your belt and a big ass greenhouse to do it in, I'd still think your crazy but i wouldn't offer advice, but your not. you sound like you have little growing experience and want to take a plant that has a natural growth cycle of 4-8 months and push it to 16-17 months and hope that you don't run into any problems. lets say everything works and you get a 30 pound plant. even then you will yield significantly more cropping the 10+ times you would be able to in that time frame.

If you are genuinely serious my recommendation is to get a plot where you plan on building a greenhouse, disc it under and then get multiple soil samples from that tilled lot and send it to a lab. Once you get your results back amend the native soil to albrechts CEC ratios (H 10%; Ca 60 to 75%; Mg 10 to 20%; K 2 to 5%; Na 0.5 to 5.0%; and other cations, 5%) Then plant a cover crop down while you are building the greenhouse to go over the top of the plot. if you are growing that long, don't try to do it from clone. Plant a lot of seeds 100+ and keep em all in like 20 gallon planters until you have it limited down to a handful of ones you like the growth structure of, then send in samples of each of those plants to get lab tested and based on lab tests and observation pick a winner and plug it in the middle of your greenhouse and keep lots of light on it to supplement daylight and keep it in veg.