Vape leftovers?

[MrFista]

Got a couple ounces of vape leftovers here, what do you folks do with them?

how strong (great weed) are the remains, how much per person/dose.

I figure it's already heat activated, but charry, doesn't look edible....

Advice/tips/hints/suggestions/recipes/mockery welcomed.

 

[t13n]

last time i had lots of vape leftover we just made brownies.. You can still cook some THC out off the vaped bud.

 

[medical_shed]

Yeah definitely make butter using the water method. Strength depends on how vaped the bud is eg if you've vaped it once at 170C then it'll still be pretty strong but if you've done it twice at 200C it wont be half as strong.

 

[MrFista]

I can vape it again at 200? So I've run it through once at 180... Do I just use twice as much a dose? Four times?

Then brownies, with honey, rolled oats and raisins, mmmmmm!

I got to wait till harvest only a few days fresh weed, and all this vaped stuff....

 

[medical_shed]

Yeah but it's more like smoke than vape and nowhere near as good as the first time. You're better off making butter really.

 

[MrFista]

What about trim, is vapes of the resiny trim worth it, I got lots of that I'm scrogging and getting a fistful daily.

 

[medical_shed]

Sure, I tend to smoke bud and vape trim myself cos I'm cheap lol I even make butter with fan leaves. it all works so it's all good.

 

[mazzakush]

yeah, other cannabinoids vape at higher temps then thc too... so if you use a bunch of vape weed rather then regular herb the brownies will be extra stony

 

[Jeff Lebowski]

I personally vape until matter is dark brown and then save up till I get about two ounces. Then, make some butter and watch out - it can be insane. As in (send someone to the hospital) insane. I only use vaporized material and am always pleased and stoned. I say, it may not get you high, but you will get stoned beyond your imagination. Also, these are like 5 -6 hour trips.

 

[MDBudz]

definitely agree with the above... i use only vape leftovers for making butter and the resulting product is surprisingly potent. I vape to medium-dark brown and was very surprised to discover how much goodness was left.

 

[tedlarrrge]

If all anyone has got dug up on this subject is brownies?? then not enough brain power is being applied...I have a friend who uses a digi valcano... best damn thing on the planet when the you find that temp and save it... Well this friend just so happens to keep his vaped matter...which out of the volcano never really changes color, if you run about four bags and then dump..... SO WHERE ARE YOU GOING with this Larrrge??? well we decided out of curiosity to make full melt butane extracted, and guess what?? RESULTS are astonishing!!! pyrex cylinder into a pyrex bowl, and all the other standard cares and cautions and WHALA!!! Now that the secret is out, dont hate the player hate the game!! CHEERS -LARRRGE

 

[chubbynugs]

If all anyone has got dug up on this subject is brownies?? then not enough brain power is being applied...I have a friend who uses a digi valcano... best damn thing on the planet when the you find that temp and save it... Well this friend just so happens to keep his vaped matter...which out of the volcano never really changes color, if you run about four bags and then dump..... SO WHERE ARE YOU GOING with this Larrrge??? well we decided out of curiosity to make full melt butane extracted, and guess what?? RESULTS are astonishing!!! pyrex cylinder into a pyrex bowl, and all the other standard cares and cautions and WHALA!!! Now that the secret is out, dont hate the player hate the game!! CHEERS -LARRRGE

No offense but i wouldnt want to smoke bho made from vaped buds. I have heard though that it is great for cooking. I had a cookie some old man made out of vaped herb and it was very potent. He said he only uses xaped herb for butter.

 

[h^2 O]

i think this thread is proof vaporizers SUCK BALLS. No offense. I don't like using a vape because yes, you do end up with "unused" material, unlike when smoked. I understand if some people have to use a vape because of healthy issues....but vapes suck. I would use it for cooking (the unused remains from the partially-vaporizing vaporizer)

 

[dude06version]

no some people just take a couple of hits off a bowl and others vape till its dark brown powder....some people dont rebreak their weed up to powder for those last few hits..also you get more active ingredients percentage wise vaping than smoking thats a fact....actually smoking is just a less advanced way to get vapor. the cherry heats up the herb behind it and vaporizes it and the vapor mixes in with the smoke.

 

[jack DA reaper]

no some people just take a couple of hits off a bowl and others vape till its dark brown powder....some people dont rebreak their weed up to powder for those last few hits..also you get more active ingredients percentage wise vaping than smoking thats a fact....actually smoking is just a less advanced way to get vapor. the cherry heats up the herb behind it and vaporizes it and the vapor mixes in with the smoke.

Dr Hornby's Volcano Settings Experiment
Originally posted here:http://www.greencrossofbc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=21
Well we ran some preliminary experiments on Friday with the Volcano. I will report these
findings with a caution that they are merely pilot experiments, to find our way only.
Figure i put my foot in it by promising results, not thinking about the consequences that
the findings may bring. And now we're realizing that we may be opening up a whole new can of worms.

Firstly, we have known for some time that the Volcano does not deliver all of the THC, particularly at
the lower settings, of around 5 and 6. We know this since we use high-pressure liquid chromatography
(HPLC) to measure the amounts of the most abundant cannabinoids, that are present in the sample,
before and after vaporization. By measuring the THC, for example, left behind in the sample carcass,
we can determine the efficiency of the vaporizer setting, since we also know what we started
out with.

Since this is a study of heating cannabis we must consider a couple of things.
One is that THC, plus the other cannabinoids, are not active as they sit in nature.
For them to interact with the THC receptor, firstly they must be de-carboxylated or activated.
Meaning CO2, must be kicked off the parent molecules, that in the un de-carboxylated
form are acids, chemically speaking. De-carboxylation, in this case, is accomplished by heating,
which, in turn, excites the chemical bonds of the, for example, THC molecule causing it to release
carbon dioxide at the weakest bond. This, subsequently, activates the molecule, allowing receptor interaction.

If more heat is applied to the molecule, eventually it will reach its boiling point and enter the vapor state.
De-carboxylation occurs before evaporation and over a broader range of temperatures.
And is critical for understanding cannabinoid pharmacology. Therefore in vaporization we have a two-fold
process occurring that allows the medicine to be delivered. De-carboxylation, followed by evaporation.

When we run cannabinoids by HPLC we see the acids of CBD, CBN and THC, plus trace amounts
of these already de-carboxylated cannabinoids (alcohols as they're called, chemically). We normally total the acids with the alcohols to come up with total THC, CBD or CBN for the sample.

In the experiments discussed here we vaporized a cannabis sample that had already been shown
to contain an unusually high amount of THC, with relatively high CBD.
We ran three separate experiments at Volcano settings 6, 7.5 and 9. At each test, the same
weight of cannabis was placed in the volcano and two bags vapped for the same time period.
Following vaporization, the carcass (sample left behind), for each temperature setting was analyzed
for the three most abundant cannabinoids.

We will attempt to tabulate below our experimental results.


Volcano Setting THC remaining mg/g CBN remaining mg/g CBD remaining mg/g

6 260 0.05 0.6

7.5 245 0.05 0.6

9.0 75 0.05 0.15

With all HPLC analysis there is an error window associated with the quantification. This window is normally acceptable if it has a coefficient of variation of 15% or less. This is simply a statistical evaluation of the standard deviation or variation around the mean, divided by the mean and a percent value taken.
So with THC there is often an error window of plus or minus 2% around the measurement and for CBD and CBN
this is more like plus or minus 0.05%. To convert the above results to a percent value, simply divide by 10.

So, what do we learn from these results. Nothing about decarboxylation, since it's not presented here,
although much is gained from observing the chromatography (not shown), where a one to one decrease
of the cannabinoid acid and increase in the alcohol is seen. Nevertheless, in the table we are showing only
the de-carboxylated actives that are left behind.

As stated earlier, the cannabis sample used in this experiment tested particularly high in THC,
running at 260, + or - 40 mg/gram. As shown in the table, this did not change for setting 6 on the Volcano
and changed only slightly for setting 7.5. We only see a significant decrease in THC at setting 9.
These results also confirm earlier observations.

The boiling points of the three cannabinoids measured are as follows:

THC 200 C
CBD 190 C
CBN 185 C

We can see from our before and after sample, that CBN is virtually all gone at setting 6, leaving
only residual amounts. The THC, however, all remains at this setting. As does the CBD.
At setting 7.5 the THC is fully de-carboxylated, but still present to roughly 95% of its original value.
Interestingly, at this setting the CBD is only half de-carboxylated.

At setting 9, all three are fully de-carboxylated and have moved to the vapor state.
A small amount of CBD remains as does some THC.

We can conclude from these very preliminary experiments that with the Volcano at setting
6 all the CBN is gone along with the more volatile terpenes and aromatics. Yet at this
setting, although the THC and CBD are being activated they have still not received enough heat
to enter the vapor state. In addition, at setting 7.5, similar conditions hold, with the THC still
not evaporated. It's only at setting 9 that THC receives sufficient energy to become volatile.

That's it for today. And remember these results are preliminary.
We will continue to conduct more experiments on the Volcano, next
time focusing more on what happens to the CBD and at what setting.

A further note to running the Volcano at settings like
6 and 7, for two bags or less. You may want to keep your carcass.
You can grind it to a powder, mix it into a yogurt and eat it.
Since all the THC is activated, and still present in relatively large amounts
it can provide relief in the same way as a brownie or other baked goods.

Dosage will vary between a half to 3 teaspoons depending on tolerance.

Point is the carcass is useful, particulary from lower settings.



We did another experiment to six bags and behold, all is gone.
THC acid, converted THC, CBN and CBD, all gone skyward.
This is at Volcano setting 7 and six bags were taken.
So between 2 bags, where virtually all the THC is still present,
and bag six the THC is being boiled off. To 2 bags it's all
terpenes and aromatics.

We ran another experiment with the Volcano. This time we collected 6 bgas at setting 6.
This just doesn't move the THC into the bag, only decarboxylating about 20% but not boiling
any off. Its aroma therapy at setting 6, very little, if any, active THC is delivered.
Of course at this setting you will be blowing off the terepenes and other lower molecular weight
aromatics, that do, indeed, have psychoactive properties. Incidently, these compounds, termed
the essential oils, have been banned, as long as the plant. It's my notion that the euphoric part
of the cannabis experience is a result of the essential oils and not THC.

Finally, i must remind that these are merely preliminary experiments, used to guide the way
to collecting more confirmatory data. All experiments of this type must be repeated a number
of times, with means and standard deviations from the mean, determined.

Suppose, we will have to narrow it down, to see if there is
one bag where the THC, fly's, at setting 7. Bet it's bag 4.
We'll see...

We used roughly 250 mg or a quarter of a gram, in all the experiments.

 

[Bodhita]

That was a real interesting read...thanks jack.

 

[G0d5hand]

Interesting findings. I usually start my volcano at 5 and move up to max 6.5. Might start upping the temp.

Btw I have like 4 oz cape ( light brown) and was wondering what u would recommend was going to make butter ( looking for recipe) but was thinking of trying to try the yogurt. Should I make the whole 4 oz right of the bat?

 

[bumbabud]

Great info, it makes more sense now with the way i vape
i do 5 bags at 5, 5.5, 6, 6.5, & 7
5 and 5.5 do have all of the terpenes & aromatics, first one not being too potent
but 5.5-6-6.5 being the most potent , and 7 tasting like crap but still will get you high.

then i boil water / butter / leftovers and end up with pretty good cannabutter in some rice krispies treats, or mac and cheese. its too easy to fuck up.
GET THE GOLD COFFEE FILTER, best 10 dollars i ever spent.
I was kicking myself that i used to throw away tons of vaped leftovers.


You can use your vaporizer leftovers to make some surprisingly potent butter for cooking brownies and all sorts of treats. The potency will vary depending on how thoroughly you vape your herb. Obviously much of the active ingredients have been vaped into your lungs while your were vaporizing - but there’s a lot left in there - awaiting extraction. It’s hard to make concentrated and potent butter since the leftovers will take up so much room. It’s all about the butter/herb ratio. So the solution is to use a butter/water mixture to extract the active ingredients from the vaporizer leftovers or “volcano poo”.

Here’s my current recipe - subject to discussion and revision!

You will need…

* 4-5 Grams of Finely Ground Vaporizer Leftovers
* 1 Stick of Butter
* 1 Pot of Water
* 1 Stove
* 1 Coffee Filter
* 1 Bowl
* 1 Refrigerator
* Patience grasshopper

It’s quite simple. Take a small to medium saucepan. Add stick of butter. Cover/fill with water. Add volcano/vaporizer leftovers. Bring all to good rolling boil. Boil away for 30 minutes - UNCOVERED. Remove from heat. Pour this nasty looking brew through coffee filter into a bowl you can fit in the fridge. Press all the plant material to squeeze out all the liquid. Skim and remove any stray material that might make it through. Paper coffee filters will be a disaster. Save yourself the hassle and get a nice re-usable gold filter like Cuisinart Gold Tone Coffee Filter:


Cover this bowl and place into fridge to cool and separate. Now here comes the magic… After the butter/water mixture has had time to cool sufficiently you will end up with a layer of congealed butter atop the nasty water. Gently remove this “platter” of butter and discard the water. The active ingredients will have dissolved into the fatty butter, while the clorophyll nastiness will mostly go into the water. Use the butter as you would any normal butter in the recipe of your choice.

 

[bumbabud]

The recipe above is from volcano tips, here is a link to the filters


http://volcanotips.com/vaporizer-store/

 

[JBIG420]

Dr Hornby's Volcano Settings Experiment
Originally posted here:http://www.greencrossofbc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=21
Well we ran some preliminary experiments on Friday with the Volcano. I will report these
findings with a caution that they are merely pilot experiments, to find our way only.
Figure i put my foot in it by promising results, not thinking about the consequences that
the findings may bring. And now we're realizing that we may be opening up a whole new can of worms.

Firstly, we have known for some time that the Volcano does not deliver all of the THC, particularly at
the lower settings, of around 5 and 6. We know this since we use high-pressure liquid chromatography
(HPLC) to measure the amounts of the most abundant cannabinoids, that are present in the sample,
before and after vaporization. By measuring the THC, for example, left behind in the sample carcass,
we can determine the efficiency of the vaporizer setting, since we also know what we started
out with.

Since this is a study of heating cannabis we must consider a couple of things.
One is that THC, plus the other cannabinoids, are not active as they sit in nature.
For them to interact with the THC receptor, firstly they must be de-carboxylated or activated.
Meaning CO2, must be kicked off the parent molecules, that in the un de-carboxylated
form are acids, chemically speaking. De-carboxylation, in this case, is accomplished by heating,
which, in turn, excites the chemical bonds of the, for example, THC molecule causing it to release
carbon dioxide at the weakest bond. This, subsequently, activates the molecule, allowing receptor interaction.

If more heat is applied to the molecule, eventually it will reach its boiling point and enter the vapor state.
De-carboxylation occurs before evaporation and over a broader range of temperatures.
And is critical for understanding cannabinoid pharmacology. Therefore in vaporization we have a two-fold
process occurring that allows the medicine to be delivered. De-carboxylation, followed by evaporation.

When we run cannabinoids by HPLC we see the acids of CBD, CBN and THC, plus trace amounts
of these already de-carboxylated cannabinoids (alcohols as they're called, chemically). We normally total the acids with the alcohols to come up with total THC, CBD or CBN for the sample.

In the experiments discussed here we vaporized a cannabis sample that had already been shown
to contain an unusually high amount of THC, with relatively high CBD.
We ran three separate experiments at Volcano settings 6, 7.5 and 9. At each test, the same
weight of cannabis was placed in the volcano and two bags vapped for the same time period.
Following vaporization, the carcass (sample left behind), for each temperature setting was analyzed
for the three most abundant cannabinoids.

We will attempt to tabulate below our experimental results.


Volcano Setting THC remaining mg/g CBN remaining mg/g CBD remaining mg/g

6 260 0.05 0.6

7.5 245 0.05 0.6

9.0 75 0.05 0.15

With all HPLC analysis there is an error window associated with the quantification. This window is normally acceptable if it has a coefficient of variation of 15% or less. This is simply a statistical evaluation of the standard deviation or variation around the mean, divided by the mean and a percent value taken.
So with THC there is often an error window of plus or minus 2% around the measurement and for CBD and CBN
this is more like plus or minus 0.05%. To convert the above results to a percent value, simply divide by 10.

So, what do we learn from these results. Nothing about decarboxylation, since it's not presented here,
although much is gained from observing the chromatography (not shown), where a one to one decrease
of the cannabinoid acid and increase in the alcohol is seen. Nevertheless, in the table we are showing only
the de-carboxylated actives that are left behind.

As stated earlier, the cannabis sample used in this experiment tested particularly high in THC,
running at 260, + or - 40 mg/gram. As shown in the table, this did not change for setting 6 on the Volcano
and changed only slightly for setting 7.5. We only see a significant decrease in THC at setting 9.
These results also confirm earlier observations.

The boiling points of the three cannabinoids measured are as follows:

THC 200 C
CBD 190 C
CBN 185 C

We can see from our before and after sample, that CBN is virtually all gone at setting 6, leaving
only residual amounts. The THC, however, all remains at this setting. As does the CBD.
At setting 7.5 the THC is fully de-carboxylated, but still present to roughly 95% of its original value.
Interestingly, at this setting the CBD is only half de-carboxylated.

At setting 9, all three are fully de-carboxylated and have moved to the vapor state.
A small amount of CBD remains as does some THC.

We can conclude from these very preliminary experiments that with the Volcano at setting
6 all the CBN is gone along with the more volatile terpenes and aromatics. Yet at this
setting, although the THC and CBD are being activated they have still not received enough heat
to enter the vapor state. In addition, at setting 7.5, similar conditions hold, with the THC still
not evaporated. It's only at setting 9 that THC receives sufficient energy to become volatile.

That's it for today. And remember these results are preliminary.
We will continue to conduct more experiments on the Volcano, next
time focusing more on what happens to the CBD and at what setting.

A further note to running the Volcano at settings like
6 and 7, for two bags or less. You may want to keep your carcass.
You can grind it to a powder, mix it into a yogurt and eat it.
Since all the THC is activated, and still present in relatively large amounts
it can provide relief in the same way as a brownie or other baked goods.

Dosage will vary between a half to 3 teaspoons depending on tolerance.

Point is the carcass is useful, particulary from lower settings.



We did another experiment to six bags and behold, all is gone.
THC acid, converted THC, CBN and CBD, all gone skyward.
This is at Volcano setting 7 and six bags were taken.
So between 2 bags, where virtually all the THC is still present,
and bag six the THC is being boiled off. To 2 bags it's all
terpenes and aromatics.

We ran another experiment with the Volcano. This time we collected 6 bgas at setting 6.
This just doesn't move the THC into the bag, only decarboxylating about 20% but not boiling
any off. Its aroma therapy at setting 6, very little, if any, active THC is delivered.
Of course at this setting you will be blowing off the terepenes and other lower molecular weight
aromatics, that do, indeed, have psychoactive properties. Incidently, these compounds, termed
the essential oils, have been banned, as long as the plant. It's my notion that the euphoric part
of the cannabis experience is a result of the essential oils and not THC.

Finally, i must remind that these are merely preliminary experiments, used to guide the way
to collecting more confirmatory data. All experiments of this type must be repeated a number
of times, with means and standard deviations from the mean, determined.

Suppose, we will have to narrow it down, to see if there is
one bag where the THC, fly's, at setting 7. Bet it's bag 4.
We'll see...

We used roughly 250 mg or a quarter of a gram, in all the experiments.

if anyone can also get to these guys and tell them we need to know also how big the bags they are filling are and how long they let the vocano run on each bag. also I am guessing that since this is the old volcano, that they are using the old valv set. would be interested to know if the new one performs any different also

(AND it would be awesome to be able to know the quality of the herb, if they could do one of those THC CBD tests like I see Harborside and Greenhouse post results from...)

we need LOADS AND LOADS AND LOADS of more testing on vaporizing and vaporizers!