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USING MALE POLLEN FOR A MORE POTENT PLANT!

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I just did some research on plant pollen, specifically pollen collected from bees, and read how it helps people for different things as well as hearing someone who took it for sex and it gave him erection after erection after taking it for 2-3 days which makes sense being that in the yin yang philosophy, the yang is the stimulating one and the yin is the relaxed, passive one.

Now, when you think about the female & male relationship, disregarding offspring, when the opposites come together they enhance each other in many ways. I have read that semen have actually been shown to be an anti-depressant for women and also prolonged exposure to the same semen can actually increase pregnancy by STIMULATING the immune system. It also has been shown to aid in contractions of the uterus which is associated with g-spot orgasms.

You may ask what does this have to do with plant pollen, well pollen is nothing more than the sperm of a male plant which contains essential vitamins that help with growth but more importantly different hormones and proteins that can stimulate the female plant's immune system which in turn makes it more potent in the case of cannabis BUT also,if my theory is correct, give a well rounded high due to the pollen activating different genes depending on the pollen itself.

I propose that instead of using the male cannabis pollen to make seeds(babies), you use it directly into the soil or or nutrient feeder to feed the roots these essential nutrients which will give the plant a signal to get, mature earlier, activate genes, and become more dense due to the fact that it is getting the same nutrients that normally tell it to form dense calyxes. The difference now is that you aren't giving the pollen directly at the site of "intercourse", you are feeding the chemicals to it.

In essence, what you are doing is a form of birth control on a plant. This is the same as taking away the males when they show their sex to prevent pregnancy BUT instead of taking them away you are just taking the pollen away and feeding it to the plant. I feel that leaving the plant can actually enhance the female plant because it has been shown plants can sense the different varieties in their atmosphere and by leaving a few male plants in the vicinity, you are actually making it a happy, well rounded plant.

Also, the pollen itself has the dna of the male plant and so, it's characteristics will be expressed in the final product of the plant regardless of the type of plant. Remember the only reason why certain plants don't mix with others is based on the fact that the growth structure is different, NOT THE CHEMICALS IN THE PLANTS THEMSELVES.

For example, a lemon tree most likely won't spawn a cannabis lemon tree hybrid because they grow in different ways BUT the chemicals from the pollen of a lemon tree WILL give the cannabis a lemon flavor because the dna in the pollen is coded in a way that when it encounters certain chemicals, it expresses them to give a lemon it's chararcterisitcs and what makes it a lemon as far as taste and smell and the same for cannabis. When you combine this dna of the pollen with the cannabis' dna, you will have the genes being expressed into the cannabis' and the only thing that can be expressed is the smells and taste because they don't adhere to growth patterns. It also can be used to make the plant's immune system stonger and thc and other cannabinoids are part of this sytstem.

The way to make pollen accessible to the root system would be to soak it on water for 8-12 hours, to soften the hard polllen shell, and also to activate enzymes to help other processes take place.

Then you would use it as you would any other nutrients BUT only use it to feed the roots because if you spray the foliage there is a good chance of getting the plant pregnant(make seeds) and therefore it won't be as potent as it could have been without the seeds just based on the fact that instead of energy going to make the plant grow, make more cannabinoids, and more trichomes, the energy will go into making seeds and providing it with nourishment and safety.

So, basically give the cannabis plant any pollen of a plant that you want to have some of the qualities of without the need to make seeds to have these effects UNLESS you want certain growth patterns.

This could be one reason why outdoor plants have a different "feel" to their high in a lot of cases as well as taste because in the outdoors there is pollen EVERYWHERE from all types of plants and eventually the pollen will settle in the soil and get broken down by bacteria which will get used for food by the plant and give it certain characterisitcs that indoor weed won't have UNLESS you give the plant the same experience it gets outdoors. Peace.
 

smokeymacpot

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hmm, im not sure your idea would work. well if your going to put the pollen into the soil, its going to decompose and would only be used by the plant as a nutrient. it wouldnt see the male dna (if any remained) as the roots wont be receptive to it. even if you used all fresh non decomposed pollen instead of soil, it still wouldnt take any notice of it.

your best bet is to pollenate a few small buds and hope that the majority that you didnt pollenate are made "stronger".
many people report that plants that have seeded have little to no difference to ones that havent. many people also report that seeded bud is less potent.
 
G

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I don't know if what your saying is true because you have to take into account a buffer system meaning when they pollen gets broken down, some of the dna won't actually decompose because it will get released first and into the water and go to the roots BEFORE the bacteria will get a chance to get to it.

Also, the bacteria might not totally make the dna useless, in fact they might make it more bioavailabe to the plant based on the fact that they turn it into it's basic elements and therefore the roots will uptake the nutrients even quicker than normal.

An example of this is protein. When protein is in it's natural state such fresh meat or beans, it is in long chains BUT when it gets fermented with bacteria or in the case of beans, allowed to soak in water to let enzymes become active, the long chains are strip to their basic elements, BUT each beans' special protein that make them what they are are still kept intact. They aren't decomposed. They just aren't attached to other elements. They are free.

Alo, you can't state the the roots won't be receptive to the dna because plants have evolved for millions of years to be able to make use of what is ever in there circumference and another plants dna or rna shouldn't prevent it from taking it in.

I read somewhere that a plant's dna can be found in it's roots which to me say's that it can also merge with other dna at this same spot. Peace.
 
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Stoney

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That is a really cool idea for sure.. It would definatly be something that needs to be experimented with :) Where could one pick up different types of pollens to play with? This method could even be utilized to create new strains.. I'm thinking more vigorous growth, more female flowers, and maybe even something like a Salvia Divorinum (spelling :p) cross.. hmmmmm... once again lotty, you have the wheels turning in my head :)

Stoney :joint:
 

smokeymacpot

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well put it like this: why would the plant want to take dna in through its roots? i see no reason for it to think it would be useful.

a plant has its dna in every cell, thats roots, stem, leaves e.t.c

look at how an animal is receptive to dna, through the sexual organs, 2 sets of dna then join and mix up and create a fetus.
now im gonna be rude here, if you come in you gf's mouth and she swallows, is she gonna get pregnant ? no. but what little nutrients are in the sperm and surrounding fluid will be broken down into energy or vitamins and treated like a food, not as an intake of dna.

i mean im no biologist, but im pretty sure plants would have no use for pollen in the soil. i think you would need to talk to someone that does plant research, but i think they would say similar to what i have said.
 
G

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That's the thing smokey, I can't find any research on this subject. It will be hard because most people don't think abstract idea like this.

It's wild that you mention oral sex and sperm because that's what one of the things that got me interested in this idea.

You see, I read reports that when a woman ingest sperm the hormones in the sperm acutally goes right to her system and gives her pleasure chemicals as well as other nutrients.

This is mainly the thing I think will get passed on more than the dna, which is to say the hormones will. The hormones are what tell the genes what to turn on and what to turn off.

Like I stated in the first post, what you are basically doing is a form of birth control by giving the plant vital chemicals that make each plant special BUT you aren't placing them on sites that cause birth such as giving a women your sperm via oral sex but not allowing the sperm to come into contact with the egg which gives her your special chemicals without impregnating her. Peace.
 
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Stoney, I don't think this would work for making the cannabis plant turn into a hybrid as far as growth patterns BUT it will essentially turn the actual plant that you are growing into having the actual traits that you want such as taste, potency, smells, from the male plant that you want to combine with.

Basically instead of waiting to form a seed that has become a new strain to express the qualities of two plants, it happens right when the mother is still growing.

You can get bee pollen online BUT if you grow cannabis plants, when you encounter a few males just let them grow BUT watch them and make sure you take the pollen sacs before they open up and release themselves which means you will have a high probability of having seeds which is what we don't want. Peace.
 
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I just found a scientific article proving my theory as far as pollen containing chemicals that will help a female plant obtain certain characteristics from a male plant.

The article states that pollen contains specific chemicals that are specific for each plant.

A lot of these chemicals are what give the plants their distinctive smells which is one of the main reason why people make hybrid plants.

The pollen itself also has distinct chemicals which I theorize play a part such as pheromones and stimulate the plant to become more healthy which means more potent. This means that we are missing out on what a males genes can do to a females potency if we take away the male before it releases its pollen.

I know seeds are not wanted most of the time BUT that is why using my method is what's needed because it will get the plant to become more potent, obtain the characteristics of the prefered male such as smell, and taste, while still keeping the plant from using it's energy to make seeds.

Being that these chemicals are terpenes which are alcohol and fat soluble to achieve the most effect, they would have to be settled into a alcohol solution to be absorbed effeceintly by the roots. Alcohol as been shown to increase trichome production and the resin that resides in them.

I don't think that it is a coincidense that the pollen attaches itself to the sticky fatty resin gland and same pollen has these same terpene chemicals which distinguish each plant's smell. Overtime, if you use the same plants that you want to be hybrids, the plant will build up mechanism to allow more of these chemicals to be absorbed and them manufactured on it's own BUT this takes time because each pollen grain only supplies very little of these chemicals. If you take A LOT of male pollen let it sit into an alcohol solution this time stretching and growing multiple plants won't be need because of the abundance of the chemicals that will be made available to the plant at that one time .

This can also explain why the more a smelly plant is hybridized the more potent it becomes such as the case of recent varieties of cannabis because thc and other cannabinoids are a condensed form of lighter oils which the thca,cbda, cbga ezymes use to make thc and other cannabinoids.
 
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I forgot to post the article.

Here it is:
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bsc/boj/2005/00000147/00000004/art00001


Cannabis sativa: volatile compounds from pollen and entire male and female plants of two variants, Northern Lights and Hawaian Indica

Authors: ROTHSCHILD, MIRIAM; BERGSTRÖM, GUNNAR; WÄNGBERG, STEN-ÅKE1

Source: Botanical Journal of the Linnean Society, Volume 147, Number 4, April 2005, pp. 387-397(11)

Publisher: Blackwell Publishing

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Abstract:
Sixty-eight compounds were identified by coupled gas chromatography and mass spectrometry (GC-MS) in the chemosphere of Cannabis sativa L. pollen and entire male and female plants of two cultivated varieties, Northern Lights and Hawaian Indica. Twenty-one and 28 substances, respectively, were present in pollen of the two forms. To conserve the natural composition of volatiles a delicate headspace method was employed. The two varieties represent different chemotypes which distinguish themselves, in the main quantitatively, in the setup of volatiles from pollen and entire male and female plants. Twenty compounds were monoterpenes, including the five major components: β-myrcene (E)-β-ocimene, terpinolene, β-pinene and limonene; 25 were sesquiterpenes, and the other 23 were of mixed biogenetic origin, including 3-methyl-1-butanol and benzylalcohol which occurred only in pollen; two pyrazines occurred only in Northern Lights females. Besides being of interest in natural products chemistry, the results should have relevance for plant systematics and for the pharmaceutical and technical applications of Cannabis. We demonstrate that the pollen has a distinct chemical character in possessing two exclusive volatiles, while lacking seven compounds occurring in males and females of both variants. © 2005 The Linnean Society of London, Botanical Journal of the Linnean Society, 2005, 147, 387–397.
 
lotty said:
Now, when you think about the female & male relationship, disregarding offspring, when the opposites come together they enhance each other in many ways. I have read that semen have actually been shown to be an anti-depressant for women and also prolonged exposure to the same semen can actually increase pregnancy by STIMULATING the immune system. It also has been shown to aid in contractions of the uterus which is associated with g-spot orgasms.

That explains why the chicks that refuse to swallow are always the bitchy ones :chin:
 

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