US hits Iran with toughest penalties since 1979 siege

[marx2k]

I was very pleased to hear about the sanctions being put in place. I served on multiple tours in the middle east, in both Afghanistan and Iraq as well as a peacekeeping mission prior to September 11th. One constant I noticed was the continual supply of Iranian funded weapons. I was in full support of what I did in Afghanistan, had mixed emotions in Iraq, and fully support legislative action and sanctions against the Iranian regime. They truly are a financier of terror organizations and must be dealt with. The thought that if we mind our own business they will go away is nonsense, they will continue to increase their power and capabilities as well as those of the groups they support. The downside to all of this is that an armed conflict with Iran is a very likely possibility, and we aren't currently in the best position to tackle that objective. Our military is stretched very thin at the moment, and a conflict with a country that has significant military capabilities would be ugly. They have capabilities that are far superior to any military we have faced in quite some time, and they also have strong ties with a few other radical nations that would almost certainly join the cause. This would also enhance the danger already faced by our allies in the area, such as Isreal.
If diplomatic sanctions continue to fail, which is probable, then we must go at a true war the "right" way this time... by a formal declaration of war through congress. Another thing we would have to do right as Americans is find the stomach again. Let me explain, we have become a soft society, and in many areas so open minded that our brains have fallen out. We can't stomach true conflict anymore, and it in turn endangers our own soldiers. We develop so much technology to fight "nicer" wars and tie the hands of our soldiers and limit their capability to truly do their job. Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate a rape and pillage methodology... those of you who think that everything has to be done in a way that is the "safest" for the surrounding populations and infrastructure probably haven't sat in a bunker or conducted a raid. We want to do the job with minimal damage... but we also want to come home too.
On our current and future conflicts, no matter what your stance is on the conflict, I ask that you show your full support for the boys and girls out there doing their job. If someone was invading our country and we were fighting on American soil, you would be loving on those soldiers like never before... the same men and women fighting now are the same Americans that would be fighting that battle, so why wouldn't you show them the same love. When watching the news overseas, fresh sand in my ass and an epic sunburn, I watched a lot of protests over the war. I sat there smiling as this was the freedom of speech I held dear and was more than willing to fight for. Then those protests of war to often started turning to protests of us soldiers... that broke my heart. The thought that so many people in my home could show such a hatred towards us when at the drop of a hat and swipe of a pen we would be wheels up to defend them was almost to much.
Sorry this has turned into a rambling rant, but I would like everyone to take a step back and look at things. We ask everyone to educate themselves about marijuana and it's vast uses and possibilities before passing judgement on us, but often we take a hypocritical stance and shoot from the hip with uneducated knee jerk reactions on matters such as this. Take the time to research what America is doing, it sure as hell effects you if you realize it or not, if you don't agree then that's your God given right and protected freedom as an American... just make sure you are directing your protests in the right direction. For everyone that doesn't care for past, current or future administrations... amidst the bashing of them have you ever taken the time to throw up a little prayer that they might be given guidance and a sound mind to call the shots? If you do nothing but bash, would you consider yourself a part of the answer or a part of the problem?
I appreciate how Dreamdancer posted this article and didn't give an opinion... just passed the facts along to let others educate themselves and form their own opinions of America's actions. To my Brothers and Sisters in arms, I truly wish I could still be marching beside you, but even though my injuries have taken me out of the fight, my thoughts and prayers will always be with you.

I don't know man, in the numerous anti-war marches and demonstrations I have attended in my state's capital, there have been no notice of people being anti-soldiers (as in not supporting the actual people on the front lines). They/we are anti-military-buildup, anti-war, anti-Bush, etc, but I really am not sure where you've seen this anti-soldier thing going on. These days in the states, being anti-soldier is like being anti-jew...

 

[loflogro]

It is a beautiful country. Our churches youth pastor is from Iran, he has albums full of photos of some of the most amazing sites. His sentiments are the same in that he really hopes that the government can be fixed without violence... and hopefully be done by the Iranian people.
What do ya'll think about what's going on along the Turkish border? Like I said, I've always had mixed emotions over Iraq, even while I was there. It just keeps getting nastier and nastier, and now new border tensions with one of our allies and most strategic locations there... not good. Do you pull out and let them fight it out with the possibility of an even crueler regime going in? Or is staying the best answer... but at what cost do you say enough? I think the early and swift successes in Afghanistan might have given the administration a little false hope for Iraq. That's why I really feel that when we go to war, it has to be done right in that the situation has to be enough to get a congressional vote for a formal declaration. If you don't have swift and decisive action, you get into a muck like we're in now.

 

[Babombeez]

This truely is such a mess and I often think what we all are going to do. I just want to shout from the tallest peak in the world so everyone could hear me... I want the world to know that a great deal of American citizens don't agree with our government, that we are not being heard as a people! I don't believe in war, I just don't have the capacity to understand such violence and terror. Why war? Will war ever solve anything? It only creates more karma, more hostility, more destruction. The United States has some major karma to pay, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, WWI, WWII, wars, wars, and more wars!!! man o' man do our leaders have it coming.

Just gotta trust that everything happens for a reason, this is the hard part...

Babombeez

 

[Guest]

Whats going on along the Turkish border is giving the Dems wet dreams.It seems they didn't even need their silly 1915 Ottoman Empire/ Armenian genocide decree to piss off the Turks..When a party has a vested interest in defeat its a sad sad day..

 

[dreamdancer]

Bombing Iran will ensure world peace

1. George W Bush: 'Some weeks ago, President Ahmadinejad of Iran visited US soil. Now, two weeks later, a fierce fire has ravaged California, the home of where they film the American Dream. I'm here to tell you, this is not coincidental. President Ahmadinejad has used guile and secrecy to harbour terrifying menace in the past and today is no exception. 'Our country stands threatened by heat, as does the world, for is not global warming terrifying heat on a world scale?'

2. Tony Blair: 'I've now spent three months travelling the Middle East trying to sort it out and preparing material for a hopefully quite interesting second volume to my memoirs, and among the many injustices and miserable faces I've encountered in this tortured and complex land, the one message I'm getting is that the whole region is balanced on a precarious knife-edge that could go up in tinder at any time.

'My feeling is that we need to be careful in our actions here and that what is required is that we very carefully and very delicately bomb and then attack Iran. I don't say this lightly. Many will disagree with me. Indeed, many do.

'Which convinces me all the more this is the right thing to do. You see, it's clear from the evidence we're getting that Iran could have a nuclear weapon ready to strike against the West in as little as 45 months. Which is why we only have days to act.'

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/7days/story/0,,2200550,00.html

 

[Guest]

You don't see it, but WWIII is forming right before your very eyes. The zionists are loving this. Christians on the warpath for Muslims.

Israel already has nukes and ignores ANY oversight, as well as having over 500 UN resolutions against it.

Why are we attacking Iran again?

 

[nycdfan042]

uhm cuz they ripped our flag with a sword in a ceremony with marching soldiers...oh and they migh do bad things with NEW-CU-lar weapons!! they cant be trusted like we can!!! llol(sarcasm)

 

[Guest]

Israel also pulled off a BLATANT terror attack against the US killing 34 soldiers on the USS Liberty to try and get us to attack the muslims for them in the 6 day war, yet we're going after Iran? Isn't it terrorism to strafe a peaceful US communications ship with jets and kill the sunbathing troops on the deck when the ship is there to help you?

I wonder if it's considered terrorism to bulldoze houses with people still in them as well as killing any that resist having their home torn down??? Is that a terrorist action? Would we consider it terrorism if someone just started bulldozing our homes? Don't we consider attacking and murdering our troops for no reason terrorism? Hmm...

What about some of the so-called car bombs in Iraq? Surely that's terrorism, but who's doing it? Do car bombs make craters like this??

Try this science challenge. Should be fun for all the brainiacs around here. http://www.erichufschmid.net/Science_Challenge_12.html

One or two smart people will start to figure it out....the rest will just call me names, lol!

 

[zymos]

That is a GREAT link!
It claims that car bombs are actually small nukes.
I liked this quote at the end- "Who has the knowledge to answer such questions? Do you? Does your science professor?"

Some people will believe anything...

 

[Yummybud]

lol you don't need a nuke to create a crater, a large enough explosion from whatever source will create craters.

and the U.S will not attack Iran because it is too much for them to handle imo. Iran is a pretty big, bigger than turkey, bigger than Iraq, lots of mountains, 70 million people, 1million in the armed forces and they have missiles that can reach all the surrounding U.S bases. Obviously the U.S has the firepower to win any war except maybe a war with Russia or China the superpowers but a war with Iran will not be easy and much harder than a war with Iraq, it'll destroy the U.S economy and they'll be stuck in Iran for 10+ years of war.

 

[genkisan]

Israel also pulled off a BLATANT terror attack against the US killing 34 soldiers on the USS Liberty to try and get us to attack the muslims for them in the 6 day war, yet we're going after Iran? Isn't it terrorism to strafe a peaceful US communications ship with jets and kill the sunbathing troops on the deck when the ship is there to help you?

I wonder if it's considered terrorism to bulldoze houses with people still in them as well as killing any that resist having their home torn down??? Is that a terrorist action? Would we consider it terrorism if someone just started bulldozing our homes? Don't we consider attacking and murdering our troops for no reason terrorism? Hmm...

What about some of the so-called car bombs in Iraq? Surely that's terrorism, but who's doing it? Do car bombs make craters like this??

Try this science challenge. Should be fun for all the brainiacs around here. http://www.erichufschmid.net/Science_Challenge_12.html

One or two smart people will start to figure it out....the rest will just call me names, lol!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!


It is to laugh!!

 

[Guest]

That is a GREAT link!
It claims that car bombs are actually small nukes.
I liked this quote at the end- "Who has the knowledge to answer such questions? Do you? Does your science professor?"

Some people will believe anything...

Why do you feel such a need to twist things? How do car bombs dig such huge craters? Perfectly logical question.

Just so you can see how he twisted what the page actually said:

If these bombs were inside
the car, how was dirt several meters
beneath the bomb thrown into the air?


Or were they “Bunker Buster” bombs that were dropped from a high altitude, and which penetrated the ground before exploding?


How do you think these car bombs were digging craters?

And do you think all of these "car bombs" were using chemical explosives? Or were some of them micro nukes? Can nuclear bombs be designed to be so small and clean that they fool people into thinking they are car bombs?

Who has the knowledge to answer such questions? Do you? Does your science professor?

It asks a series of logical questions. Nowhere does it actually STATE anything.

 

[genkisan]

Why do you feel such a need to twist things? How do car bombs dig such huge craters? Perfectly logical question.

Just so you can see how he twisted what the page actually said:



It asks a series of logical questions. Nowhere does it actually STATE anything.

For your info, bunker buster bombs penetrate tens or hundreds of feet into the ground and thru reinforced concrete before detonation. The concept originated with the 'Tall Boy' bombs developed by Barnes Wallis during WWII to take out bridges, tunnels and underground installations.

If those car bombs were actually bunker busters, there would be hardly any craters, as the explosions would have taken place far beneath the surface. They usually create sinkhole type depressions in the ground, not open craters.

And as far as mini-nukes go, there is no way to hide or disguise the distinctive double-flash of a nuclear detonation....which is visible from space. There are many satellites up there looking for those double flashes...and they are NOT all controlled by the Elders of Zion.........if they are mini-nukes, why has no-one found out by now???

How about the radiation???

Please learn a bit about bomb mechanics before you post more vacuous, ridiculous pap.

Even better, just go away.

 

[Yummybud]

oh and about Turkey, they love kissing U.S ass as they want to enter the EU. Problem is they won't admit that they killed 1 million Christian Armenians.

 

[Guest]

For your info, bunker buster bombs penetrate tens or hundreds of feet into the ground and thru reinforced concrete before detonation. The concept originated with the 'Tall Boy' bombs developed by Barnes Wallis during WWII to take out bridges, tunnels and underground installations.

If those car bombs were actually bunker busters, there would be hardly any craters, as the explosions would have taken place far beneath the surface. They usually create sinkhole type depressions in the ground, not open craters.

And as far as mini-nukes go, there is no way to hide or disguise the distinctive double-flash of a nuclear detonation....which is visible from space. There are many satellites up there looking for those double flashes...and they are NOT all controlled by the Elders of Zion.........if they are mini-nukes, why has no-one found out by now???

How about the radiation???

Please learn a bit about bomb mechanics before you post more vacuous, ridiculous pap.

Even better, just go away.

Oh, you're a bomb expert eh?

So, those are not valid questions then? What kind of car bomb digs a crater so deep? Please bomb expert tell me.....None of those are statements, only questions.

So, if you rule out those possibilities with your supreme knowledge of "bomb mechanics" please do tell what kind of car bomb can make such a hole??? Enlighten us.

 

[Guest]

oh and about Turkey, they love kissing U.S ass as they want to enter the EU. Problem is they won't admit that they killed 1 million Christian Armenians.

That's because the zionists can NOT have ANOTHER holocaust. There is only ONE holocaust they will lie about. Problem is, if the Armeniam massacre is considered a holocaust, then we must recognize the holocaust survivors!!!! Turkey will be forced to hand money over hand and foot to holocaust survivors just like Germany. Then there's an even BIGGER problem. If this is admitted to be a holocaust, well then, WHO is responsible for this massacre? This is BAD news for Zionists. They are even reporting it as "bad news for Jews" in some publications. Can we figure this out yet?

 

[zymos]

Not being a bomb expert, I have no reason think a "car bomb" COULDN'T have made those craters. Why would YOU be so suspicious? Bombs blow shit up.

I DO know enough to say that if nukes were routinely used like this, it would be common knowledge, not some secret bit of information that only the wise have found out about.

 

[HCSmyth]

That's because the zionists can NOT have ANOTHER holocaust. There is only ONE holocaust they will lie about.

I have known actual holocaust survivors so what you are saying is so disgusting to me it defies any sort of human decency, IMHO.

 

[okwildfire]

lol a nuke?? yeah and velcro shoe's not the lace up ones..cuzzz there to hard to finger out.. 1000 to 2000 pounds could make that without any problems at all... easy..and i think your hatred for jew's is blinding you in every aspect..OMG! are you OBL?? by any chance?? or just another of his blind fallowers?? i mean come on stonedtodeath..hmmm?? kinda fitting name...anyway....

 

[Guest]

What the Ottoman Empire did in 1915 has zero nothing nada to do with Turkeys current secular Gov't.Hold them responsible for what??This was nothing but a ploy by the defeat invested democrats to hinder our capabilities by pissing off our allies,OOOH the taste it leaves in my mouth.....