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Update on science of geographic tracking of pot

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Hal

This is very interesting. Please read and comment. Note the ridiculous statement made at the very end....

The New York Times

August 21, 2007
Telltale Isotopes in Marijuana Are Nature’s Tracking Devices
By HILLARY ROSNER


Every so often, a package of marijuana arrives in Jason B. West’s mail at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City. While Dr. West may not be the only one on campus receiving deliveries of illegal drugs, he is probably the only one getting them compliments of the federal government.

Dr. West’s marijuana supply is decidedly not for consumption. It is meticulously cataloged and managed, repeatedly weighed to make sure none disappears, and returned to the sender (a laboratory at the University of Mississippi) or destroyed when he is done with it.

With financing from the Office of National Drug Control Policy, Dr. West, 34, is creating a model that can identify the geographic origin of cannabis plants based on certain chemical calling cards. The agency hopes to use the research to help decide where to concentrate its resources.

The research, the Marijuana Signature Project, relies on stable isotopes, which are forms of an element like nitrogen or oxygen, that have distinct atomic masses. Long employed in ecological research, stable isotopes are increasingly used for forensic purposes, including investigations into blood doping, arson and trafficking in contraband like drugs and endangered species.

“Stable isotopes are a signature on plant materials and things that are derived from plants,” said Dr. West, a research assistant professor in the university’s biology department. “Using them, you can get information about where something grew and its growth environment.”

Marijuana is the most pervasive illegal drug in the United States, with 10,000 metric tons consumed yearly by Americans in their college dormitories, suburban subdivisions, housing projects and Hollywood mansions.

Although suppliers in Mexico and Canada, especially British Columbia, are gaining market share, most of the marijuana that is bought, sold and smoked by Americans is grown domestically. Six states — California, Hawaii, Kentucky, Oregon, Tennessee and Washington — dominate domestic marijuana production. Beyond that, relatively little is known about where the drug comes from and how it makes its way around the country compared with what is known about harder drugs like cocaine or heroin.

The drug control policy office is betting on stable isotopes to identify unique markers in marijuana, distinguishing it not just by geography but also by its cultivation method — for example, indoor versus outdoor.

“It’s an epidemiological and forensic public health investigation,” said David Murray, chief scientist at the agency and director of its Counterdrug Technology Assessment Center.

Marijuana’s status as an illegal substance is controversial, as is the extent of its criminalization and the resources to control it.

Dr. West said his involvement in the project was not tied to any particular policy judgment. “I strongly believe that part of the picture in any policy development has to be the best possible science, and in cases where my work can contribute to that, I think that’s great,” he wrote in an e-mail message.

Carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen and sulfur, the base elements of nearly everything on the planet, exist in multiple forms, each with a specific atomic mass. These are called stable isotopes, as opposed to radioactive isotopes, which are unstable.

Many natural processes discriminate among these isotopes, a phenomenon called fractionation. A phase change from gas to liquid, for instance, weeds out the lighter isotopes, which tend to stay behind in the gas form. When water rains from a cloud, the water molecules in the rain contain heavier oxygen and hydrogen isotopes than the water molecules that remain in the cloud.

The opposite occurs during evaporation, when lighter isotopes diffuse into the atmosphere faster than their heavier counterparts. Fractionation also occurs in enzymatic processes like photosynthesis.

In the marijuana project, Dr. West has found that cannabis plants grown in different regions of the country contain distinct signatures based on the isotopic composition of each region’s water.

“Plants maintain the fingerprint of the climate and the environmental conditions,” said Gene Kelly, a professor of soil science at Colorado State University and an expert on stable isotopes, who is not affiliated with Dr. West’s research. “Theoretically, high-elevation pot plants should have one sort of signature, coastal California plants another.”

Already, the project has hinted at some potentially surprising findings. The marijuana that makes its way to Dr. West’s lab has come primarily from drug busts. One specimen came from a medical marijuana center in San Diego that the Drug Enforcement Administration raided. While drug officials had assumed that the marijuana sold at the dispensary would have been largely locally grown, the isotope research suggested that just a small percentage was grown in the area.

“There’s considerable movement from multiple sources,” said Dr. Murray, the chief scientist of the drug policy office. “And it ends up that multiple streams of marijuana were present in a single location being offered for sale.”

While he cannot pinpoint a plant’s exact home turf, Dr. West said he could, with increasing accuracy, place it in within a region, called an isoscape. On a map, the regions look like undulating bands of color, with differences visible both north to south and west to east. Dr. West has created computer models based on these isotopic variations and other factors and is now trying to increase the accuracy of the models.

Ratios of isotopes found in water vary from north to south largely because of temperature differences. When condensation occurs at lower temperatures, — at higher latitudes and higher elevations — lighter isotopes remain in the water. The east-west variation is mainly because of the movement of clouds that form over the oceans. As clouds move over land, each time rain falls the heavier isotopes fall to the ground while the lighter ones remain in the cloud.

“The rain gets lighter and lighter as the cloud moves across the land surface,” Dr. West said.

The more topographically unusual the growing area, the easier it is to identify.

“If it were a sample that grew, say, in the mountains of Colorado, it would be relatively easy to give a fairly restricted source location,” Dr. West said. “Something that may have grown out in Kansas would have an isotope ratio that would be consistent with a fairly large region.”

To fine-tune the models, Dr. West is examining other isotopes found in the marijuana plants. Nitrogen isotopes, for example, give clues about whether fertilizer was used and what type. And carbon isotopes can show whether the plant grew in a wet and shady or dry and sunny climate, based on how a plant’s physiology is affected by water availability.

Dr. West is not limiting his stable isotope investigations to illegal substances. He is also using the isotopes to determine the origin of wine grapes, a potentially important application for the field of terroir. His research has shown that regions of the western United States impart their own isotopic markers on the grapes grown there.

“There’s not much out there that you can’t run stable isotopes on,” said Jim White, a geologist at the University of Colorado who runs the stable isotope laboratory there and is not connected to the marijuana project. “If I fed you with a food that had a unique isotopic signature and then measured your breath, I could see how quickly you were metabolizing.”

Dr. White said that back in graduate school, he and his friends used isotopes to find out how long it took for the water in their bodies to completely cycle through. The experiment relied on several types of beer with differing isotopic ratios.

Dr. West believes that his forensic investigations will have wider applications, which may include answering questions about global climate change.

“I think it has been a real two-way street between these targeted forensics questions and more general ecological questions,” Dr. West said.

Dr. Kelly agreed. “This shows us that there are things we do in very basic research that have real-world applications,” he said.

Meanwhile, Dr. Murray is optimistic that the Marijuana Signature Project will help the agency better understand and control the flow of the drugs.

“We can’t go out and find this information because it’s an illegal activity where they shoot you in the back alley if you try to find out,” Dr. Murray said. “Today we’re making guesses. This will guide us toward a scientific basis.”

Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company
 
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Chamba

Jason B. West’s mail at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City.

only in America would they waste time and money on this type of research and only in Utah, the most cannabis unfriendly State in the US would they find an idiot like this!ever tried to score a six pack in Utah? it's easier to find a wild eyed bearded polygamist than a real cup of coffee.


Meanwhile, Dr. Murray is optimistic that the Marijuana Signature Project will help the agency better understand and control the flow of the drugs.

it's all about busting some poor bastard on a Federal charge....those low pricks!

he is optimistic that the right wing maniacs will keep giving him (taxpayer's) research funds....it';s called the War on Cannabis...it's 75 years old and still sucks more tax dollars than are spent on real needs like bridges, hospitals, protective armour for soldiers, etc etc..the War was lost decades ago.....but still Police budgets rely heavily on this Prohibition on this happy weed.....shame on them..in a hundred years time people will look back on this bs and shake their heads at our stupidity and weakness for letting this happen..in the same way we now look upon the Prohibition on Alcohol in the early part of the twentith century

“We can’t go out and find this information because it’s an illegal activity where they shoot you in the back alley if you try to find out,” Dr. Murray said.

that's so true Dr Murray....every pot grower I know has at least several AK47s, an air to surface missle and a Sherman tank just in case a scientist like you comes snooping around!.....sheeesh..or maybe he's mixing up a melted brain meth freak with a pot smoker!

I bet this wanker gets 2 million per year to study whether it's Canadian hydro grown bud or Mexican brick?....send it to one of us here at Icmag..we could tell you what and where it's from ten feet away

this asshole could be spending his time and expertise fruitfully trying to do research in something positive like whether the War on Cannabis is simply a waste of money but instead wastes his time studying where conficated weed originated from!..typical Mormon wanker ( do a search on the origins of this American religion..a farmer found "God's" word chisled on stone tablets in his field,,,,in English!....lol..)

it's really all about Cannabis being a perceived threat to the controllers (to paraphrase Ed Rosenthal), smokers of cannabis recoqnize bullshit, resist being controled and herded and this is what they hate us and that is why they continue to waste massive amounts of resources, time and money trying to eradicate a herb that is about as harmfull as wine.......

and this article was in the New York Times?..sheeesh!.....talk about senationalistic, biased, one sided, anti-cannabis, unresearched nonsense..and so un-NYT
 
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killa-bud

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i thought it was sort of more andvanced,i mean,they just figuerd this out? and how the hell is this gonna link anything]

or is this diffrent then the other thing? it says update,i guess its the same thing
 
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Space Ghost

such a ****ing waste of money, how is this going to aid law enforcement?

"All right crew, the lab told us this sample was grown in southwest oregon, LET'S GO GIT UM!!!"



ridiculous...
 

greenhead

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That 'doctor' is a complete moron. What a waste of time and what a stupid and pointless thing to research.

:bashhead:
 

trouble

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Hal, I have to agree with greenhead what a waste of time & money. They need to be spending their resources on somthing meaningful that can save lives. And I wish that doctor would ventrue into a dark alley!
 
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Hal

I agree its a waste of time and money. I just find it interesting, and I thought it was an update on a previous article I posted, but the professor doing the research for that first article was located up in Alaska...so maybe there are a few idiots working on this.

Granted, in its current incarnation, this research seems completely pointless even from a law enforcement position, but I wonder what lies down the road as they make progress. Is it possible that through researching this particular avenue that they may eventually fine tune this process so that using it against us becomes more likely and dangerous for us? Just wondering....
 
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Chamba

it's going to be useful to them alright!

in court the Feds could use this locality tracking to ensure their RICO charges against you stick fast....so instead of getting one year, you will get railroaded for life.....

and while those Feds sit around high fiving each other on another successful battle in the War on Cannabis.... a drunk driver just plowed into a car full of Mum and four kids..maybe your wife and kids..maybe one of those high fivers....she's in a wheelchair forever, the kids are busted up and the drunk driver gets a few years in jail and is out in 9 months....while the pot seller is doing life without parole

I just wish they'd get their priorities right!
 

meduser180056

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Hal said:
most of the marijuana that is bought, sold and smoked by Americans is grown domestically. Six states — California, Hawaii, Kentucky, Oregon, Tennessee and Washington — dominate domestic marijuana production.

:headbange
Makes ya proud doesn't it? LOL

I could have guessed 4 out of 6 of those states. Had no clue Kentucky and Tennessee were big producers though. Way to go fellas.
 

b8man

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So they can identify where a plant was grown. That's not that useful in the real world. Unless you're looking for additional reasons to invade an area. Hmmm... wonder if they're going to find out all the cannabis comes from Iran and North Korea?


Still defies belief that cannabis is STILL illegal. But the fact that resources are available for this sort of investigation which can do nothing but be used as an excuse to step-up patrols in theoretical drug growing regions is just crazy! And all the while research into the medical benefits has no government budget and extremely limited permission to investigate anything that isn't prohibition related.

One day they're going to have to admit they're wrong. But I've got a funny feeling they'd prefer to sink the country into a depression first. Powerful thing denial.
 
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Chamba

Still defies belief that cannabis is STILL illegal.

not really..follow the money

it's mainly because of pharmacuetical companys protecting their profits by bribing polititians to keep those stupid and harmful anti-cannabis laws in place

and there's bloated police force budgets, the private prison industry, the fanatical religous right, the drug testing industry, etc etc ....there's a few of the many reasons why pot is still prohibited.

this cannabis prohibition is based on lies, bribes, profits, bias and bullshit

.....hey watch out! screeeeeeeeeeeeeech! here comes another drunk driver crashing into a bunch of kids at a pedestrian crossing....but not probs, with a good lawyer, he will be out in 6 months......meanwhile 15 muscle thugs dressed in black from their balaclavas to their leather Gestapo boots and armed to the teeth are bursting through the front door of some kid who grows a few clones in his cupboard....they throw him on the ground with 5 weapons aimed at him shouting "don't move an inch Motherphucker!" but just wishing he does move an inch and cuff him, they leer at his naked girlfriend, stomp everything in the house, throw shit everywhere, break things....he gets 18 ~ 12 months in a prison with murderers, thieves and rapists (I hope he knows how to fight!)..his life phucked forever.....the drunk driver gets lucky with the judge and gets probation 'cos no kids were killed, a small fine and is drunk driving next week!

meanwhile a new drug is approved by the FDA and released..the adverts on TV are wonderful!.....but the pharma co some how forgets to mention that one in 5000 people taking this new wonder drug will die from it's effects...but phuck it, they say.....it's all about the money!
 
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trouble

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Hal said:
I agree its a waste of time and money. I just find it interesting, and I thought it was an update on a previous article I posted, but the professor doing the research for that first article was located up in Alaska...so maybe there are a few idiots working on this.

Granted, in its current incarnation, this research seems completely pointless even from a law enforcement position, but I wonder what lies down the road as they make progress. Is it possible that through researching this particular avenue that they may eventually fine tune this process so that using it against us becomes more likely and dangerous for us? Just wondering....

I see your point. A DNA finger print of cannabis & being able to one day track it back to a specific grower ? Anything the government does wouldnt surprise me. What will they think of next ?



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CheifnBud2

I think this is a bullshit excuse for law to crack down in those 5-10 states that "dominate production".

California has many similar micro climates and there is no way they could determine which plant came from where indoors. Someone in cali could have the exact same indoor setup/nutrients/strain as someone from canada or new york or amsterdam.

As far as that isotope cloud mapping bullshit... Whatever.
 

CosmicGiggle

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But if you want to look on the bright side, can't all of this type of research
also be used to help to identify which environmental factors go about producing the best high? :joint:
 

Nikijad4210

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Hal said:
“We can’t go out and find this information because it’s an illegal activity where they shoot you in the back alley if you try to find out,” Dr. Murray said.

Way to perpetuate the "shady drug ring" stereotype. Unfortunately, people will read that line, and buy it hook, line and sinker.
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Verite

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Way too funny this guy thinks he can nail down a grow location based on his interpretation of an isotope yet he neglects to mention that some of those isotopes are genetic based. Also fails to take account that genetics and product supply frequently change location.

If hes only getting federally busted weed then hes severely limited his range of available data. Could also be thats what hes using for statistics to impress them when he can successfully identify mexican brickweed as if that really needs a scientist to do.
 

neur0n

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yea you definatley couldnt use that to track that unless you could isolate the strain and try to say that strain for sure comes from wherever but that would obviously be total bullshit but somebody could try and pull it with the right jackass dr standing with him
 
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