Unofficial Coco Coir Growers Thread

[gaiusmarius]

great info bonecarver, pretty interesting. like i said there is better solutions for what ever the h202 is being used. with the root rot, you probably need a water chiller. or else the pot was just too small. i have seen new clones make wicked root after having trichoderma applied. but once the root rot is set in, the tricho is not gonna be enough to get rid of it. even the h202 doesn't kill it off.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

exactly the H2O2 is not a funghicide really

im going to have to look into a rez-cooler for my future house i hope they arent expensive in use i have allready planned isolating the rez with highdensity iso-pore since i got access to lots of it. a rez cooler and hygiene in the growroom.

i have revized my routine and i think i found out the reason for this all - i leave my tap water UNCOVERED to evap the chlorine before i use it - during this time i bet there is some particles entering the water, since the rest of the time (the rez) its covered all the time and protected.

those 2 things will do a big difference.

peace

 

[Guest]

Come on now... why don't you guys just do a controlled experiment with the H2o2? If it works, it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't... this is almost as bad as arguing about what organic means...

 

[bonecarver_OG]

who is arguing?

i think we were just breaking down the info on H2O2 and analyzing the matter

i think its clear from the posts it does work in certain environments whilst in others its not usefull. also i think we understood there is other factors that can be fixed first-hand not to have to use it.

i dont see any arguement - there is no one yelling dont use it and no one is saying the oposite either.

as many things in life there is more than 1 side to te matter since all grows are not the same a comparative grow would mean perhaps one sterile coco grow+H202 and one with biological aditives+enzymes. im up to it in the future when i get more space

it is an intersting experiment. it could be summed up in: "are the nute supliers trying to sell as more than we need?" and the results are going to be intersting to see.

peace mate

 

[gaiusmarius]

this is a serious discussion Indica Sativa. nothing to do with arguing. i am just as interested in this subject as bone, i'm just passing on what i've experienced when seeing it in use with grows on OG. the plants would benefit the first time and then they would start to just barley look ok with it, they get addicted, lol.

but this applies to the H202, i have not seen the same negative side effects with the use of hygrozyme for some reason. in fact people that try it tend to stick with it, so it's an interesting product, which i want to try at one point. don't know if our guy has it, but a small test would be interesting.

who wants a nice hit of ButaneHoneyOil ? much better looking yield then my last run.

 

[gaiusmarius]

who is arguing?

i think we were just breaking down the info on H2O2 and analyzing the matter

i think its clear from the posts it does work in certain environments whilst in others its not usefull. also i think we understood there is other factors that can be fixed first-hand not to have to use it.

i dont see any arguement - there is no one yelling dont use it and no one is saying the oposite either.

as many things in life there is more than 1 side to te matter since all grows are not the same a comparative grow would mean perhaps one sterile coco grow+H202 and one with biological aditives+enzymes. im up to it in the future when i get more space

it is an intersting experiment. it could be summed up in: "are the nute supliers trying to sell as more than we need?" and the results are going to be intersting to see.

peace mate

Word bro

no one arguing what so ever,

 

[bonecarver_OG]

i like that amber colour BHO - looks awesome

 

[20kw dreams]

GOD DAMN IT!! THE BHO IS GOLD!, NOT AMBER, GOLD!!

J/K, jesuit fuckin a witch, ya'll

If you want some trichoderma, find that Rootshield. It's like no other. I tried evrything, and nothing worked, until I forked up an arm and a leg for that stuff. It's commercial quality 4 sure. It's also not a mixture of a bunch of crap which won't do any good, it is 1 strain of a patented Trichoderma. Did you guys know, that most of the crap in the innoculant mixes don't do shit! They are the easiest to propagate, and die within minutes of being introduced into the medium. You've heard of "endo" and "ecto" mychorhizza? Well, "endo" mychorhizza only live along side conifers. They are absolutely useless unless you grow pine trees! Yet they are in advanced nutrients which is cannabis specific. Makes their beneficial count high though, so it makes the product sound nicer then it is.

I'm well aware of how H2O2 works, although I didn't read the link, cause I'm lazy:smile:
It's not a stable molecule, and releases the unstable O, which is a free radical. It basically flies around until it finds something it can attach itself to. When it finds that special someone, the O tears off other atoms to make room for itself. Oxidation. my friends, good 'ol oxidation. It basically works the exact same way Ozone does. Ozone is O3, which is unstable, and wants to be O2, so releases that O. UV sterilizers in the water do the same exact thing as Ozone gens. They use UV bulbs in Ozone gens. I don't knwo the science behind how the UV bulb makes O3 though. The radiation must turn 3 x 02's into 2 x 03's

Anyways... yeah..uh...coco...I'm picking up those ready-gro slabs, sleeves they call them, tommorrow or Wednesday. Been on backorder for a month..suns of bitches. Gonna be drip though, cause I didn't want 300gals of rez....which would mean a bigger RO unit, which is expensive..

 

[thc43]

bio bugs zyme plus is another good friendly additive dose rate makes it quite cheep $12 does 1500litres, the packaging claims 4 new trichoderma species.

8 hour activation
2 year shelf life
28 different species of bacterium and enzymes.


wouldnt use it in a res that lasts more than a week or without air or too hot can go manky. Makes for healthy white roots all the way through a grow. After a week it seem the res becomes over colinised starts to smell very organic and can block the finer feeder hoses. Handwatered seems to work well once a week.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

i think im going to AVOID the local brands of biological agricultural products.

this last thricoderma is just the tip of the iceberg. seems in this country sadly there is NOT the controll necesary on bio-products. what makes me scetchy is also the shelf life of a bag of powdered trichoderma in the massive heat we get.

maybe the product was good in the beginning but the temps and other factors have worked against it.

an UV-sterilizer for the rez sound to me like a darn good idea for here.


THC43 - sounds like an awesome product - wish i could get it here!

peace all

 

[gaiusmarius]

drip feeding is the way to grow on coco 20 k, specially in slabs. can't wait to see you in action with slabs and drippers.

 

[Bongojaz]

You've heard of "endo" and "ecto" mychorhizza? Well, "endo" mychorhizza only live along side conifers. They are absolutely useless unless you grow pine trees! Yet they are in advanced nutrients which is cannabis specific. Makes their beneficial count high though, so it makes the product sound nicer then it is.

are you sure???

 

[bonecarver_OG]

hm

ecto-myccorhizza - lives outside the plant roots
endo-myccorhizza - lives inside the plant roots.

a site explaining myccorhizzal funghi etc.

http://www.world-of-fungi.org/Mostly_Mycology/Diane_Howarth/

 

[Burt]

i have to admit that in my experience H2O2 makes a big difference the first time you use it-perks them right up-especially if they've been attacked by pythium or other nasties
however-i have to echo the other poster's sentiment as to the efficacy of it after the initial dose which seem to work a MIRACLE on the root zone in a matter of minutes or less

 

[Bongojaz]

They are absolutely useless unless you grow pine trees!

i'd like to read that article. this is what i was talking about.

 

[rasta_man]

Which are the advantages of growing in coco coir?

 

[Guest]

Originally Posted by 20kw dreams
You've heard of "endo" and "ecto" mychorhizza? Well, "endo" mychorhizza only live along side conifers. They are absolutely useless unless you grow pine trees! Yet they are in advanced nutrients which is cannabis specific. Makes their beneficial count high though, so it makes the product sound nicer then it is.

Not sure about that one...

 

[20kw dreams]

Please excuse me. Can't trust the brain apparently. It is Ecto, not Endo, and not all ecto , but many that are found in commercial "innoculants."

I'm going to dig up the info before I bury myself anymore.

Good call guys.

 

[Guest]

It happens to the best of us 20k =p

I am drawing a blank on this one...

How much mycorrhizal fungi is too much?

 

[Bongojaz]

good ? indi. made me want to check. found this...

Can I apply too much inoculum?

No. You must apply enough inoculum so that the mycorrhizal fungus propagules will come into direct contact with roots that can be colonized.
What is the minimum amount of inoculum needed to form mycorrhizae?

Mycorrhizae can form from only one spore that germinates and infects a root, but it may take a long time for the fungus to spread to a significant portion of the root system. Therefore, it is better to initiate multiple infection sites to speed up the colonization process. The minimum needed depends on the size and age of the root system. In other words, there is no specific answer to the question.