Unofficial Coco Coir Growers Thread

[JackKerouac]

My hydro store guy gives maximum yield out for free. That place is the happiest place on earth.

And coco monkeys? That's preposterous! :kitty:

I say we train children.

 

[Caligrown]

I like this one about h2o2...


http://www.maximumyield.com/article315.htm


-Cali

 

[bonecarver_OG]

yeah - most growshops do hand it out - even here in spain but the articles are online so its quit chilled to read it from home

 

[Guest]

Thanks bonecarver! I learn something new everyday =]

 

[bonecarver_OG]

me too mate

 

[gaiusmarius]

yep, nice one bone

 

[bonecarver_OG]

its all about sharing mates

i found the H2O2 article to be a blast also. going to take it more seriously in the future.

 

[Caligrown]

From what I understand it will kill any beneficials so I suppose it is either beneficials or H2o2 huh?

-Cali

 

[gaiusmarius]

yeah right, you can use it to clean with or for one time sterilization of the coco, but not in combination with benefecials. not in my book anyway, lol.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

i allways used H2O2 to clean my rez inbetween grows - i prefeer it to bleach for obvious reasons

 

[Burt]

"but not in combination with benefecials. not in my book anyway, lol."
while i've chanted this mantra in the past-tell me-how exactly does H202 hurt the beneficials if its simply broken down into O2?
this rubs me the wrong way since i've successfully used it in the past and noticed NIGHT and DAY difference in my organic DWC
i've been scared to use it the last 2 grows but wouldn't mind if the fear wasn't substantiated
thanks in advance!

 

[bonecarver_OG]

the truth is i never either seen anything negative from adding H2O2 to my rez - using bio-aditives or not

the fact i have a lot of air-stones and the water is loaded with oxygen - must make the radical oxygen particles to lock to the oxygen molecules.wich also is good for the beneficials. or not?

any molecular biologist outhere?

peace

edit -

i think one way to do it safelly is to make sure the solucion has reacted well before using it to water into the coco - that way u should theoretically only get loose O2 particles mixed in the nutes since the H2O2 is long gone.

the fact these molecules/ions or what ever are radical/agressive mean they should have a quite quick reaction time, and after a certain time not be affecting negative anymore neither beneficial or malicious microbes/bio cultures.

this way u can in a grow first ad bio culture to the coco using ur normal Bio-stuff - then later add well reacted H2O2/nute water mix wich gives lots of O2.

growers with fear of H2O2 can give a try to add H2O2 in a separate bucket - let it react with oxygen and then later ad it to the rez.

just my logic but im not a scientist.. - id like to get it verified by a molecular biologist.

 

[JackKerouac]

the truth is i never either seen anything negative from adding H2O2 to my rez - using bio-aditives or not

the fact i have a lot of air-stones and the water is loaded with oxygen - must make the radical oxygen particles to lock to the oxygen molecules.wich also is good for the beneficials. or not?

any molecular biologist outhere?

peace

edit -

i think one way to do it safelly is to make sure the solucion has reacted well before using it to water into the coco - that way u should theoretically only get loose O2 particles mixed in the nutes since the H2O2 is long gone.

the fact these molecules/ions or what ever are radical/agressive mean they should have a quite quick reaction time, and after a certain time not be affecting negative anymore neither beneficial or malicious microbes/bio cultures.

this way u can in a grow first ad bio culture to the coco using ur normal Bio-stuff - then later add well reacted H2O2/nute water mix wich gives lots of O2.

growers with fear of H2O2 can give a try to add H2O2 in a separate bucket - let it react with oxygen and then later ad it to the rez.

just my logic but im not a scientist.. - id like to get it verified by a molecular biologist.

In mycology, h202 kills the aerobic, not the anaerobic bacteria. In soil, I believe you want the aerobic bacteria like trich, which is the utter bane of any indoor mushroom cultivator.

So h202, unless in obscenely diluted proportions is probably not good with any micro bio buddies

 

[bonecarver_OG]

the info

quotes:

"The H2O2 is very unstable in its current form and quickly breaks down once in the nutrient solution. Essentially, within a short space of time it’s present only in its component form, and in reaching this form it releases a single oxygen atom. This oxygen atom is ultra-reactive as well as aggressive. It’s looking for a fight, but instead of looking to cause problems, it’s actually on your team.

So the unstable single oxygen atom sets off, looking for mischief to make. If it comes across another oxygen atom, it attaches itself to the other atom, forming a larger, more stable oxygen molecule, or ion. This gets taken in by the plant through the roots and benefits growth above as well as within the root zone.

If, however, the rambunctious oxygen atom comes across an organic molecule, such as a virus or fungal spore, as it waxes and wanes through your nutrient solution, it will attach itself to the pathogen and quite literally oxidize itself, as well as whatever organism it had attached itself to.

And this stuff actually works!

So, what this means is not only does H2O2 supply the nutrients (and indirectly, the plants) with a massive boost of pure oxygen ions, it will play a huge part in keeping your reservoir fresh, highly oxygenated, and free from organisms such as Pythium, Fusarium, and mould, as well as a plethora of other nasties we encounter daily as hydroponic growers.

Not only that, but when the crop comes down there is no better cleaning agent to use (albeit in higher concentrations) than hydrogen peroxide. Not only will it clean as effectively as bleach but, as explained earlier, it attaches itself to other organic micro bad guys, and oxidizes them into nothingness. They simply cease to exist, leaving your grow room clean, sterile, and ready for the next crop."

"O2

If it even needed saying, a fresh and regular exposure to pure oxygen will work wonders in how your plants look and “feel.” Oxygen invigorates, it heals, it’s present (and necessary) in every living form, and plants just can’t get enough of it.

With lots of oxygen available, nutrient uptake is massively boosted, and if the plant’s getting the nutrients, it will use them. Also, this extra nutrient, along with a blast of oxygen, is going to increase the production of proteins at cell level across the board, especially if the plant is getting plenty of CO2 (the carbon source the plants use to actually “build” themselves). This means thicker, stronger stems with shorter internodal spacing, as well as lush, deep-green healthy foliage. Which makes it also better equipped to handle the complicated conversions as a result of the photosynthetic processes the plant carries out in the creation of the sugars and starch’s necessary to feed it."

the quotes above are from the maxyields article. now there is a multitude of similar articles and info on the web - all stating the beneficial activity of H2O2 in gardening, hydro etc.

a bit more info:

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bsc/tpj/1997/00000011/00000006/art00009

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the fact i have been using H2O2 every now and then in the rez for the last 4 years - and the fact i have never really seen it affecting anything badly. rather it keeps the water in the warm climate i live in in a better state.

Still got to say some beneficials might be killed but the effect of that on the plants will be minimal - and the beneficial boost on growth seems to make up for it 10 fold.

still i dont use H2o2 all thru my cycle - i tend to aply it in veg a few times only. but reading up more on it to me the beneficial part is partly the fact it attacks bacteria and fungus - since in the humid warm sub tropical climate i live in - moulds are very common, if not saying omni-present.

this is a calculation each and everyone will have to make.

peace all

 

[gaiusmarius]

to me he is saying that it kills everything good and bad, for a hydro-ton grow or an aeroponic grow i can imagine working with a sterile tank, but not in coco, coco is alive and will not benefit from being sterile, because there is already lot of oxygen in the coco. from what i understand he is saying its good shit despite the fact that it kills every thing, because the extra O2 outweighs the advantages of the beneficial organisms. but maybe i misunderstood what he is saying.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

but anyway

every one does what they like

just wanted the info to be easilly available though so ppl that are interested can check it out.

i cant find anywhere information on H2O2 beeing harmfull for plant growth in soil, hydro, coco or rockwool or anything. or affecting it badly. THAT is - using it at recomended dosage. rather the oposite

i can see it in many places recomended even for soil culture.

peace!

 

[gaiusmarius]

yeah well maybe i didn't understand what he was saying.

but i know that once you start giving it on a regular basis, you have to continue, the plants get addicted to it. Rflmao.

it would be nice to see a side by side maybe? that would show if it brings anything over all to the yield and taste.

i have seen this stuff in action on threads i've followed back on OG, didn't impress me. it is something that a well balanced healthy grow with good temps etc, just doesn't need. it always seems to be used in situations, where the real solution is some how not possible. root rot and high water temps in hydro, needing a chiller. or in the case of water farms with blocked air stones, or a blocked drip setup, situations like that. not in a healthy earth or coco grow in my opinion. but that's just what i think. no offense meant.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

i agree - with lower rez temps and a grow working fine - i dont really see any need for it - not under normal circumstances etc. - unless u got an urge to experiment like i do



peace all

 

[Guest]

Am I the only one who inoculates my coco before use?

I use this stuff.. Rooter's Mycorrhizae

A Blend of 8 Strains of Mycorrhizae. Mycorrhizal fungi attaches to plant roots increasing nutrient uptake, root growth and reduces plant stress. Aids most plants except orchids and conifers.

Mycorrhizal fungi are beneficial organisms that form a symbiotic relationship with plants that result in increased water & nutrient uptake, lending protection against environmental stress. Trials have shown you can greatly decrease the qualities of fertilizer when mycorrhizae are present. It has been noted that in soils without mycorrhizae as much as 1200 lbs of phosphorous would have to be added to get the same benefits as soils with the fungus present. It can reduce nitrogen fertilization by as much as 300% . Chemical fertilizers inhibit the performance of the beneficial fungus.

Blend Mix 1 tsp per gallon of soil or media. Transplants add 1/2 tsp per hole/established plants, at drip line make 1 to 4 holes around plants and trees, add 1 tsp per hole. New sod, just prior to laying, broadcast 1 lb per 1000 sq ft. For Established lawns broadcast 1 lb1000 sq ft and irrigate. Recommended for gardens, shrubs, trees and lawns.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

"Chemical fertilizers inhibit the performance of the beneficial fungus."

that seems like a pretty dead end using most coco nutes

peace