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Unofficial Coco Coir Growers Thread
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Dalton
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Damn seedy I kinda skimmed over things last night and didn't see that you are using the GH bricks. Just flush the hell out of em with ph'd water and pull the crap out. It was like pieces of rope and some plastic straw and some rocks. I did a whole case and every brick wasn't contaminated, so you might not find anything.
I spoke to GH today and they told me they have a coco specific nutrient in the works and they dropped there coco supplier for a new one and things should be looking on the up and up soon.
Once you get the coco ready it's pretty easy from there and you are going to love the results. Heres a shot from my first grow vegged 2 weeks and flowered in 2 gallon pots. Handwatered daily
Best of luck
I spoke to GH today and they told me they have a coco specific nutrient in the works and they dropped there coco supplier for a new one and things should be looking on the up and up soon.
Once you get the coco ready it's pretty easy from there and you are going to love the results. Heres a shot from my first grow vegged 2 weeks and flowered in 2 gallon pots. Handwatered daily
Best of luck
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Do yall think those supposed 1000yr old coco piles in sri lanka are the uber mix?
right on guys.. well i've got 6 blueberry beans in rapid rooters sitting on top of coco filled plastic cups.. and 2 og kush s1 f2's i scored from jlp that have already broken the surface. so far so good i like the coco well so far. its nice and fluffy in the cups even when drenched so that's exactly what i want.
i always had the dilema of trying to keep soil 'loose' at first planting. always heard to give the soil a huge amount of water at first to fully saturate every area of the soil as to not create dry spots.. but then the weight of the water itself would really turn the soil into a rock hard brick like consistency.. i could easily see how roots will be happier with all the cavities to explore and the DO and air penetration of this coir.
hey dalton.. all i found in my gh mixed brick was big chunky cube shaped bark like pieces.. is this part of the coconut or is it really some kind of other bark or forrest material? they are pretty chunky so i think if they are part of the coco i will at least break them apart a bit to have smaller chunks.. if gh is really that salty tho i may just keep it on the sidelines.. for now its just chillin.
i was really impressed with the 'feel' of the botanicare and the sunleaves stuff mixed together so i went with that for starting the seedlings. its what i'd want to be in if i were roots. did a nice wash and then ran a 1/2 teaspoon per gallon rinse of cal/mag+ and ro water to get it prepped. hell i was actually kind of digging the coco smell. i thought that's one thing i would miss is the smell of fresh soil.
i should be getting my own coco diary setup whenever i get a chance to sit down and work on it and take some pics.
i always had the dilema of trying to keep soil 'loose' at first planting. always heard to give the soil a huge amount of water at first to fully saturate every area of the soil as to not create dry spots.. but then the weight of the water itself would really turn the soil into a rock hard brick like consistency.. i could easily see how roots will be happier with all the cavities to explore and the DO and air penetration of this coir.
hey dalton.. all i found in my gh mixed brick was big chunky cube shaped bark like pieces.. is this part of the coconut or is it really some kind of other bark or forrest material? they are pretty chunky so i think if they are part of the coco i will at least break them apart a bit to have smaller chunks.. if gh is really that salty tho i may just keep it on the sidelines.. for now its just chillin.
i was really impressed with the 'feel' of the botanicare and the sunleaves stuff mixed together so i went with that for starting the seedlings. its what i'd want to be in if i were roots
. did a nice wash and then ran a 1/2 teaspoon per gallon rinse of cal/mag+ and ro water to get it prepped. hell i was actually kind of digging the coco smell. i thought that's one thing i would miss is the smell of fresh soil. i should be getting my own coco diary setup whenever i get a chance to sit down and work on it and take some pics.
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JackKerouac
I love hydro in coco, but I was feeling in an organic mood today and mixed up some soil. My recipe is 2 gallons coarse coco, 2 gallons compost based potting soil, a few heaping handfuls of chunky perlite, 1 cup bone meal, 1 cup blood meal, 1 Tbs. green sand, and a dash of lime.
I transplanted my tomatoes from seedling trays and watered with cns17 runoff cut in half by water. They have visibly perked up and are reaching toward the light now.
I love my growing medium like I love my women- Thick and chunky!
I transplanted my tomatoes from seedling trays and watered with cns17 runoff cut in half by water. They have visibly perked up and are reaching toward the light now.
I love my growing medium like I love my women- Thick and chunky!
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bonecarver_OG
that last coment is good quote material hehe
coco is great for growing anything. using the same nutes as u do for ur MJ - u get great results with most other plants too - atleast all i have tried this far. Many big botanical gardens use Canna coco nutes.. i know the royal botanical garden of norway uses it in their greenhouses.. for all plants!
i even give it watered out to the cactus i got, and they like it too! all other of my flowers in the living room recieves also canna nutes, including the jasmine. my gf's mom wonders how i get the flowers to get that big in the smal pots hehehe
cant wait to plant strawberries in coco again.. this time in the shadow im going to try all quick growing berry bushes i can get and see how they grow in coco. i figure 2 slabs with strawberry plants would be a great start in my future greenhouse!
i just cant wait to see how for example chili, tomatoes or strawberries react on PK 13-14.
peace
hehecoco is great for growing anything. using the same nutes as u do for ur MJ - u get great results with most other plants too - atleast all i have tried this far. Many big botanical gardens use Canna coco nutes.. i know the royal botanical garden of norway uses it in their greenhouses.. for all plants!
i even give it watered out to the cactus i got, and they like it too! all other of my flowers in the living room recieves also canna nutes, including the jasmine. my gf's mom wonders how i get the flowers to get that big in the smal pots
hehehecant wait to plant strawberries in coco again.. this time in the shadow
im going to try all quick growing berry bushes i can get and see how they grow in coco. i figure 2 slabs with strawberry plants would be a great start in my future greenhouse! i just cant wait to see how for example chili, tomatoes or strawberries react on PK 13-14.
peace
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JackKerouac
bonecarver_OG said:cant wait to plant strawberries in coco again.. this time in the shadow
If they can grow them in the aerogarden with shitty nutrient tablets and under tiny fluoros, I have full faith yours will turn out well.
Weird thing you brought that up. I bought a strawberry kit for my mom and it came with a coco puck as a medium. It said to water it with weak household fertilizer every week. If that is all the nutes they get, those everbearing strawberrys MUST be pretty hardy.
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Neptune
TOMATOES require much less nutrient than cannabis.
and I would definatly GO ORGANIC with tomatoes.... as they are water absorbing fruits that you EAT.
and I would definatly GO ORGANIC with tomatoes.... as they are water absorbing fruits that you EAT.
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bonecarver_OG
jack - thanx
the house hold flower nutes etc can be quite strong - strawberries grow quite slow - so it doesnt use too much nutes - but when its adult it can handle it well. normally ppl put cow and horse manure on the strawberry patches.. more or less composted i supose
more important to keep it humid allways hehe
yep - KNNA is right - tomatoes need a quite a lot of nutes - atleast if u are going to grow them in hydro setup - but as allways - start low and go maxing up - luckilly coco gives u some breathing space
but as far as i can tell - the water quality doesnt have to be too high - its not needed to have low EC to treat them ok. they grow ok with well water here and its a bit limy and basic.
most tomatoes u will find in most of the world in the super market are hydro - yeah the natural ones taste better - but as long as u use nutes like Canna COCO that are NOT MINERAL based - u should get the full on organic explosion of taste that canna nutes and coco gives in a mix.
definetly worth trying on fruits last time i planted the strawberries they died of heat schock when i went on hollidays - id defiently set it up on drip next time
peace
the house hold flower nutes etc can be quite strong - strawberries grow quite slow - so it doesnt use too much nutes - but when its adult it can handle it well. normally ppl put cow and horse manure on the strawberry patches.. more or less composted i supose
more important to keep it humid allways
heheyep - KNNA is right - tomatoes need a quite a lot of nutes - atleast if u are going to grow them in hydro setup - but as allways - start low and go maxing up - luckilly coco gives u some breathing space
but as far as i can tell - the water quality doesnt have to be too high - its not needed to have low EC to treat them ok. they grow ok with well water here and its a bit limy and basic.
most tomatoes u will find in most of the world in the super market are hydro - yeah the natural ones taste better - but as long as u use nutes like Canna COCO that are NOT MINERAL based - u should get the full on organic explosion of taste that canna nutes and coco gives in a mix.
definetly worth trying on fruits
last time i planted the strawberries they died of heat schock when i went on hollidays - id defiently set it up on drip next time peace
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bonecarver_OG
i stress once again the idea of using NATURAL nutes... specially for what we SMOKE!!
i eat maybe one tomato a week - but i smoke my 10 joints a day .. keep it real folks keep natural
go Canna !
lol
i eat maybe one tomato a week - but i smoke my 10 joints a day .. keep it real folks
keep natural go Canna !
lol
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JackKerouac
bonecarver_OG said:i eat maybe one tomato a week - but i smoke my 10 joints a day .. keep it real folks
go Canna !
Somebody just joined the spokespeopleship association!
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bonecarver_OG
hehe
but jokes aside - its makes a huge difference in taste. natural to mineral.
peace all
but jokes aside - its makes a huge difference in taste. natural to mineral.
peace all
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20kw dreams
Bomecarver, did you just call Canna Coco NOT mineral based?
edit: LOL...that was a typo up there "bomecarver", and then I read it like "Bum-carver" and just shot bier out of my nose I was laughing so hard.
No offense to you for sure the bonecarver, just thougt the typo was funny...
edit: LOL...that was a typo up there "bomecarver", and then I read it like "Bum-carver" and just shot bier out of my nose I was laughing so hard.
No offense to you for sure the bonecarver, just thougt the typo was funny...
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so if i am hand watering my coco i am to believe that watering more often, like 2 or 3 times a day instead of 1, will be more beneficial for making my plants grow these wanted 'hydro' type of roots so long as the coco is coarse enough and drains well with every watering?
Indica Sativa said:
not canna coco 4 years salt water flush then 12 month fresh water flush , dried, shredded, sived and graded sent to holland and further flushed and buffered..
the way the sir lankians guard there palm would suprise you farmed for the husk and a palm liquor that cops trade for ???? unsure but saw a doco on the palm and it one of the biggest exports.
May not be the "Uber mix" for someone that has little understanding of growing in soil or to waste but to the few that now have the hang of it can produces good bud with few issues no lock out from slack res refills. Great for people in hot climates i couldnt get my recirc to preform in summer along with other local growers, now using coco we can all grow year round with no root rot.
if its buffered has low ec and you use a suited nute youll be impressed and be growing GPW without knowing it wise to add silica and friendlies. Also i have the bonus of the police now clasing coco as organic soil so isnt a hydro grow seedlings growing in coco rather than peat at garden centre are NOT hydro. Lagally i can grow 2x plants per person as long as there not hydro and dont produce more than $2000 of herb ( recycling setup with inhert medium)= hydro look it up pretty sure the coppers use the dictionary meaning of hydro. its a fine line i know and has been argueed in court that indoor light should = hydro but until then ill be growing my auto handwatered coco grow
.I grow tomatos too 3.0 ec is a good starting point, did you guys know there are ec meters designed for tomatos that go right up to 12ec not that thay need 12 ec. I feed the toms waste water above 3.5ec with no burning.. and youll find tomato specific nutes are much higher in N and overall a stronger nute, fitting into high feeding plants where as weed is medium to low feeding.
tomatos destroy the soil cant plant in the same place two years running without big soil improvements or running a high N grass or weed type plant in the winter then ploughed back into the soil before planting your tomatos.
in the shops atm hydro vine ripen toms are fetching a premium price while orgainic are hard to find and cheeper than ever before . Over here we have big problems with organic growers there arnt many organic farms most are green houses with a % of organic fruit produced but what happened was that normal chem grown fruit was being sold as organic customers protesting at the cash register by not paying the premium price choosing chem or green house now Hydro is fetches premium price and generally better quallity specially from one company that grows 7 day(grow time NFT style) baby lettuce and trust tomatos from old style plants taste over yield.
to tell you the truth Organics has died in the arse in recent years in the veg industry but will come back in no time once the government fixes the certified orgainc nute, soils, listings and have some way of checking on the farmers that have been dodgy in the past. Atm in my area there is only one organic shop was a distubutor but now has a stand out the front still popular with the local hippies .
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bonecarver_OG
20kw dreams said:Bomecarver, did you just call Canna Coco NOT mineral based?
edit: LOL...that was a typo up there "bomecarver", and then I read it like "Bum-carver" and just shot bier out of my nose I was laughing so hard.
No offense to you for sure the bonecarver, just thougt the typo was funny...
"As CANNA coco contains natural chelates, humic acids and fulvic acids, the plant can optimally absorb all nutrients."
http://www.canna-uk.com/dhtml/products_coco_ab.php
thats natural enough for me... im not into ORGANIC - i know the difference inbetween the two. canna is NOT organic. but it aint mineral either.
try it and taste the difference..
peace
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if anyone finds any info about canna nutes not beeing natural etc - please post a link for us to check it out?
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this thread is to share knowledge. so if u have some - share it. if u dont - save band with...
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20kw dreams
Read the bottle my friend. I am using Canna nutes now, but it is clear as day that it is a mineral fert, seeing as the fertilizers contained in the bottle are mineral salts and nitrates produced through the use of the haber process http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process , which is a chemical reaction enduced by extremely high heat and natural gas and does not occur naturally at all. whether the mineral ferts are natural or not is debatable I suppose, as they use massive amounts of fossil fuels to dig up, refine, and transport these minerals. The key there really is refine, as that is exactly what they do to make nutrients which are pure and easily adsorbable by the plant.
Nitrogen components are the only ones which cannot really be mined(salt peter being the only known source of mineral N, which is Sodium nitrate or potassium nitrate, sodium not being something we want to put into our nutrient stock, and potassium nitrate being rather rare, and not used in agriculture/horticulture) and are otherwise produced using the above mentioned process, which by no stretch of the imagination is considered natural or organic. When a nutrient company states thier product is "natural", then they are usually using an organic nitrogen source combined with mined mineral salts. From what I know, in europe this is even considered organic if the refining process is kept to a minimum, which it can be, and those unrefined mined minerals are often higher in micronutrients, but of a lower guaranteed analysis (ex: 0-36-0 rock phosphate instead of 0-48-0 refined triple superphosphate) and are not as soluble, being not nearly as pure. This is also how america's "botanicare" line rationalizes calling themselves organic.
No, I'm using Canna Coco, and it is a great product for sure, and I'm in no way saying there is anything wrong with using them (although from a strictly liberal environmental sustainability standpoint it is the worst thing on earth since we could simply use soybean meal, which soybeans pulls N out of thin air without any negative repercussions, except maybe putting excessive N into the soil which it's growing, which then furthermore reduces the necessity for haber N) but we like to grow hydro and thing we are not part of the problem....
But anyways, I use them too, and canna is a great product, but....here, let me read the back of the bottles to you real quick and give you a quick description of how these ferts are made.
Coco part A
Calcium Nitrate - The process involves acidifying phosphate rock with nitric acid to produce a mixture of phosphoric acid and calcium nitrate
Potassium Nitrate - Most potassium nitrate comes from the vast deposits of sodium nitrate (NaNO3, nitratine) in the Chilean deserts. The sodium nitrate is purified and then reacted in solution with potassium chloride (KCl, sylvite), from which the less-soluble potassium nitrate is precipitated out.
Coco part B
Magnesium Nitrate -The magnesium nitrate used in commerce is a man-made product. It can be synthesized in a variety of ways. The reaction between nitric acid and magnesium metal or magnesium oxide results in magnesium nitrate.
Magnesium Sulfate? Couldn't find a source ?
Potassium Phosphate - ? no source ? Most likely rock phosphate and and phosphuric acid or similar, as most phosphate stems from rock phosphate.
So, I was just making sure you weren't calling Canna natural or non-mineral, because it is exactly that, a 2 part salt mineral fert with organic additives.
The above are additives to the mineral ferts which aid in adsorbtion of the "nutrients", in this case the nutrients being mineral and nitrate salts.
Nitrogen components are the only ones which cannot really be mined(salt peter being the only known source of mineral N, which is Sodium nitrate or potassium nitrate, sodium not being something we want to put into our nutrient stock, and potassium nitrate being rather rare, and not used in agriculture/horticulture) and are otherwise produced using the above mentioned process, which by no stretch of the imagination is considered natural or organic. When a nutrient company states thier product is "natural", then they are usually using an organic nitrogen source combined with mined mineral salts. From what I know, in europe this is even considered organic if the refining process is kept to a minimum, which it can be, and those unrefined mined minerals are often higher in micronutrients, but of a lower guaranteed analysis (ex: 0-36-0 rock phosphate instead of 0-48-0 refined triple superphosphate) and are not as soluble, being not nearly as pure. This is also how america's "botanicare" line rationalizes calling themselves organic.
No, I'm using Canna Coco, and it is a great product for sure, and I'm in no way saying there is anything wrong with using them (although from a strictly liberal environmental sustainability standpoint it is the worst thing on earth since we could simply use soybean meal, which soybeans pulls N out of thin air without any negative repercussions, except maybe putting excessive N into the soil which it's growing, which then furthermore reduces the necessity for haber N) but we like to grow hydro and thing we are not part of the problem....
But anyways, I use them too, and canna is a great product, but....here, let me read the back of the bottles to you real quick and give you a quick description of how these ferts are made.
Coco part A
Calcium Nitrate - The process involves acidifying phosphate rock with nitric acid to produce a mixture of phosphoric acid and calcium nitrate
Potassium Nitrate - Most potassium nitrate comes from the vast deposits of sodium nitrate (NaNO3, nitratine) in the Chilean deserts. The sodium nitrate is purified and then reacted in solution with potassium chloride (KCl, sylvite), from which the less-soluble potassium nitrate is precipitated out.
Coco part B
Magnesium Nitrate -The magnesium nitrate used in commerce is a man-made product. It can be synthesized in a variety of ways. The reaction between nitric acid and magnesium metal or magnesium oxide results in magnesium nitrate.
Magnesium Sulfate? Couldn't find a source ?
Potassium Phosphate - ? no source ? Most likely rock phosphate and and phosphuric acid or similar, as most phosphate stems from rock phosphate.
So, I was just making sure you weren't calling Canna natural or non-mineral, because it is exactly that, a 2 part salt mineral fert with organic additives.
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bonecarver_OG
hehe cool
wow - now thats a really good informative post.
so in that case.. its mostly marketting talk i guess.. but still since they work so well - im going to continue to use them for now too - even if the only natural part is the fulvic acids etc
lol - but got to say im dissapointed now hehe.
my coop partner is taking the piss - calling me a damn hippie hehehe
But now .. im really hoping BioMagno is going to come here quick! so i can check how really 100% natural nutes work - atleast on his pics it looks great
i really want to do a 100 % natural run some day to check how it is.
my coop-friend Vend says: "i just care if it works good and its easy and has a pimpin taste. i would use radioactive poison if its was good for plants"
i dont go that far hehe
but seems the coop doesnt want me to change nutes lol hehe
darn
wow - now thats a really good informative post.
so in that case.. its mostly marketting talk i guess.. but still since they work so well - im going to continue to use them for now too - even if the only natural part is the fulvic acids etc
lol - but got to say im dissapointed now hehe.
my coop partner is taking the piss - calling me a damn hippie hehehe
But now .. im really hoping BioMagno is going to come here quick! so i can check how really 100% natural nutes work - atleast on his pics it looks great
i really want to do a 100 % natural run some day to check how it is.
my coop-friend Vend says: "i just care if it works good and its easy and has a pimpin taste. i would use radioactive poison if its was good for plants"
i dont go that far hehe
but seems the coop doesnt want me to change nutes lol hehe
darn
canna coco is a mixture of mineral based ferts and natural chelates, humic acids and fulvic acids. it's geared towards providing optimum nutrient availability for the plants in coco. in the end the plant converts all foods the same way, be they organic or mineral. you can not analyze the cells and say this plant was fed organic or this plant was fed mineral based nutrients. i'm convinced that the good taste achievable in coco is to do with the flush in the end, not the canna nutes. they just work great, but they are not organic. they are water soluble though which is why a short flush can be enough to make the full flavor come out.
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20kw dreams
I'm sure they don't, it's great shit! I've never seen a write up by Canna where they claimed the nutrients were natural though, just that there is natural stuff in them which does alot of the work, and in that sense they are totally right. those organic additives are a part of where your full complex flavors are coming from though, as well as the fact that you herb is growing in an organic media, which is slowly breaking down and releasing organic compounds as it does.
I accidentally posted that before I was finished, and corrected a few little mistakes I had made, after going through old notes and the net and got some of those processes for the nitrates and what not.
If you want a good natural fert, then go with botanicares Pure Blend Pro line. Now that nutrient has some issues with kind of false advertising, as they claim IT is organic l, which it is MOSTLY organic, but all natural. It is a nice thin natural/organic nutrient. Check out the Organic forums for more info on that stuff. I didn't have good luck with it though in coco, which is why I switched to Canna Coco for this run. Next run I'm going to Botanicares ready-gro slabs, whiich are slabs of a coco/perlite blend with some other goodies. I'll be using them with the regular Botanicare PBP.
I accidentally posted that before I was finished, and corrected a few little mistakes I had made, after going through old notes and the net and got some of those processes for the nitrates and what not.
If you want a good natural fert, then go with botanicares Pure Blend Pro line. Now that nutrient has some issues with kind of false advertising, as they claim IT is organic l, which it is MOSTLY organic, but all natural. It is a nice thin natural/organic nutrient. Check out the Organic forums for more info on that stuff. I didn't have good luck with it though in coco, which is why I switched to Canna Coco for this run. Next run I'm going to Botanicares ready-gro slabs, whiich are slabs of a coco/perlite blend with some other goodies. I'll be using them with the regular Botanicare PBP.
