Unofficial Coco Coir Growers Thread

[Sensi*]

How important are Cannazyme and Rhizotonic when using Canna A + B?

Also, I'm now flowering - small buds have appeared - does it sounds about right that I'm running A+B at 2.5mL/litre? I know this is all strain dependent but I'm still trying to work this all out.

I'm in a similair situation not using Canna A+B though, I use Cutting Edge Solutions nuts. How important are ths enzymes and what products have them?

DOH! I did a bit of research and realized that I can actually get Cannazyme and Rhizotonic at my local hydro store.

 

[gaiusmarius]

i would also say, give them a good flush and start again with a slightly lower ppm/ec. don't add the calmag till you are at least 2 weeks in 12/12. make sure your ph level is at around 5.8 to 6.0

if you really want to be free of uncertainty, then switch to coco specific nutes for flowering. you will find that clears up all potential imbalences.

peace

 

[bullseye]

hey gais what a informative thred. i no what you are saying about coco will take a very heavy watering i am comeing to the end of my first coco grow.always used recir dripper set up with hydroton before got good results a freind was useing autopots with coco and getting shit hot results i thought i will have a try a tht .even though the autopots go against every thing i ever learnt about watering mj.thease things soak the coco and theres always 25mm in the bottom of the pot they have air cages in the bottom of each pot 15l dudes. i have asked my self how are thease fuckers growing in soden wet coco but by fuck they are. big ass trees heavely fruited.i will post some picks soon going to use peters watering system next run happy growing !

 

[NPK]

I've always grown in soil, but can't ignore the many benefits (and huge enthusiasm) people list with their coco experiences. Still, I was slow to buy a bag of the stuff because I had a disastrous experience with hydro last year...wasn't anxious to repeat it.

Regardless, I bought a bag of B'Cuzz and used the stuff to take clones from my current soil grow (the strains are Odyssey and Lavender). Two weeks later, on November 12, I transplanted the clones into one-gallon pots of either 100 percent coco, or coco cut with 30 percent perlite. I was interested to see whether there would be much difference between the two. I already had a bottle of FloraNova Grow, so I watered with half a teaspoon per gallon, the amount recommended for new starts. The plants responded by displaying clawfoot leaves--classic sign of overferting. The next watering was with straight water pH'ed to 5.8. The plants promptly showed improvement.

The clones hung out for awhile, deciding what they thought about their new arrangement. After eight days, they looked like this:

Then, as others have described with their plants, they suddenly decided they LOVED the stuff! They started really taking off. Just six days later, they look like this:

It would be an understatement to say that I'm very favorably impressed. The plants are growing like crazy and looking healthy and vigorous. One thing that really stands out is how little nutrient I've had to use: seriously, half the amount recommended for seedlings. The root systems look amazing; in fact, I'm concerned that the plants are going to get rootbound soon if they continue at this rate.

This is my first attempt at growing in coco, so obviously I'm dealing with a learning curve--but I am very, very optimistic about what I'm seeing. Compared to soil, I'm dealing with lighter pots, MUCH cleaner runoff, doesn't seem to attract unwelcome critters, less nutrients required. Coco is impressive stuff, and if this grow continues the way it has been, then I'm going to be a new convert.

 

[Bramski]

I think Coco is a superb medium for soil growers to migrate to for obvious reasons. As for getting root bound, I've seen very large plants in small pots grown in coco, the roots don't seem to be as adversely effected by the restriction of space as much as they do in soil, they just need more frequent waterings when they root mass is more abundant.

 

[stikky budz]

Just finished my first grow in coco and love the stuff.

I was wondering how you guys go about treating the coco (slabs or bags,,,whatever) before re-using it???

I've got some loose coco thats been sat in a big tub of water with cannazym added (@50ml per 10 litres) for the past 48 hours. Is this long enough for the enzyme's to have started breaking down old roots etc? (i can still see plenty)
How long should i leave it soaking for before i drain it and re-use it?

 

[gaiusmarius]

i don't ever soak my slabs to reuse them. having used enzyme products all the way through and flushed to finish up, the coco is automatically ready for the next batch of clones. the roots you see in the coco are no problem. you can fish the biggest bits out and just replant and your off.

having soaked your coco in cannazym you can restart when ever you are ready.

 

[mosca negra]

Has anyone transplanted plants grown in soil to coco? I've looked for threads on this but have not found any. Thanks! MN

 

[NPK]

Hey Bramski, good to know that the root mass can deal with being crowded in coco. I have to say, I'm astonished at the explosion of roots in my pots.

Great information in this thread! I'd love to see coco get a forum of its own.

 

[bongoman]

mosca, I transplanted six plants recently from 1 litre milk cartons in soil into 4 litre pots of coco without a drama. Males were just starting to show sex so it was right as they were starting to flower.

I did try and get most of the soil out of the rootball - I even dunked the root ball in a bucket of water to remove soil and then into coco. In hindsight, if I had some Rhizotonic around I would have used a solution of that.

No drama, although maybe they slowed down for a bit afterwards as with any transplant.

 

[mosca negra]

Thanks Bongo! I appreciate the feedback. I have some moms that are root bound in 6 inch containers that need to be transplanted.

 

[Crazy Leaf]

can you trim roots? i have a plant that has fairly 'big' roots coming out of the drainage holes , i think i need to transplant again , in flowering too , so say if i cant get the roots to come through the holes smoothly , could i trim some? and what will this do the plant?

 

[southpaw]

Crazy, I'd wait for the advice of someone a little more experienced, but my first thought is that if you are really concerned about the plant out growing its pot, you should replant into a bigger container before you trim the roots. Also how far into flower are you? Trimming roots is generally something you do only to bonsai plants you are keeping short, or flowered plants you are trying to reveg. Never heard of anyone root trimming during the run up to a harvest.

 

[gaiusmarius]

trimming roots is no problem, specially not under the circumstances you describe. cannabis roots often find their way out of the holes at the bottom of the pots.

if you have a really old mother and she has slowed down one can even cut a third of the root ball off each side with no problems. it gives root bound plants a new lease on life.

 

[mosca negra]

This has been my experience as well with trimming roots. I trimmed back roots on my flowering plants last winter in the begining of flowering with no problem what so ever. I had 5 gal buckets rock solid with roots grown in coco and I cut back to 50% of the root ball and all plants did just fine!

I would just caution you on doing this depending on how far into flowering you are.

Mosca Negra

 

[Guest]

Hey, i'm a little OT here but i have a coco related problem (kind of)

My nutes showed up today via UPS and they are frozen solid! I have Canna coco a+b, rhizotonic, pk 13/14 and cannazym. Are they ruined? The containers are very specific about keeping them in a frost free environment, so I am guessing the whole order is toast, ugh. Also I had 2 bags of canna coco in there as well, they are quite cold and solid, are they ok? This is a bit of a nightmare, as for a shipping claim I will have to tell UPS what was in the boxes and I really don't feel like advertising. The company I bought from is contacting Canna for me right away and hopefully I either get the green light or replacements. Thanks for any info you guys have in advance,

Sn

 

[gaiusmarius]

southpaw makes a good point, i wouldn't ever trim roots during flowering. it's for old mums, that are root bound. but if you mean does it matter if those few roots get broken off that are growing out of the holes in the bottom of the pots while repoting? then the answer is no it's not a problem, if they tear off while repotting to bigger pots.

 

[Bongojaz]

My nutes showed up today via UPS and they are frozen solid!
Sn

that's not good. i would think they're ruined. call the sender and ask. someone screwed up. they shouldn't be in a freezing environment.

 

[southpaw]

Hey, i'm a little OT here but i have a coco related problem (kind of)

My nutes showed up today via UPS and they are frozen solid! I have Canna coco a+b, rhizotonic, pk 13/14 and cannazym. Are they ruined? The containers are very specific about keeping them in a frost free environment, so I am guessing the whole order is toast, ugh. Also I had 2 bags of canna coco in there as well, they are quite cold and solid, are they ok? This is a bit of a nightmare, as for a shipping claim I will have to tell UPS what was in the boxes and I really don't feel like advertising. The company I bought from is contacting Canna for me right away and hopefully I either get the green light or replacements. Thanks for any info you guys have in advance,

Sn

Wow that's a bummer. I know what you're saying about profile, but its on UPS to explain to you how (more like why) the hell everything froze. Hopefully as those products are chemically based they'll thaw out ok, I'd be more worried about an organic product with live microbes and what not. Is there any reason people can think of that the coir itself wouldn't be ok also?

Good luck sorting that mess out man. There's always the tomatoes defense.

 

[Crazy Leaf]

well this friday will be the 3rd week of flowering complete..thanks for the advice , feel like i can always rely on u guys