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Universe Might be Bigger and Older than Expected, *I THOUGHT SO!*

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Universe Might be Bigger and Older than Expected

Ker Than
Staff Writer
SPACE.com Mon Aug 7, 9:45 AM ET

A project aiming to create an easier way to measure cosmic distances has instead turned up surprising evidence that our large and ancient universe might be even bigger and older than previously thought.
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If accurate, the finding would be difficult to mesh with current thinking about how the universe evolved, one scientist said.

A research team led by Alceste Bonanos at the Carnegie Institution of Washington has found that the Triangulum Galaxy, also known as M33, is about 15 percent farther away from our own Milky Way than previously calculated.

The finding, which will be detailed in an upcoming issue of Astrophysical Journal, suggests that the Hubble constant, a number that measures the expansion rate and age of the universe, is actually 15 percent smaller than other studies have found.

Currently, most astronomers agree that the value of the Hubble constant is about 71 kilometers per second per megaparsec (a megaparsec is 3.2 million light-years). If this value were smaller by 15 percent, then the universe would be older and bigger by this amount as well.

Scientists now estimate the universe to be about 13.7 billion years old (a figure that has seemed firm since 2003, based on measurements of radiation leftover from the Big Bang) and about 156 billion light-years wide.

The new finding implies that the universe is instead about 15.8 billion years old and about 180 billion light-years wide.

A new way to measure distance

The researchers reached their surprising conclusion after using a new method they invented to calculate intergalactic distances, one that they say is more precise and requires fewer steps than standard techniques.

"We wanted an independent measure of distance--a single step that will one day help with measuring dark energy and other things," said study team member Krzysztof Stanek from Ohio State University.

The new method took 10 years to develop and relied on optical and infrared measurements gathered from telescopes all around the world. The researchers looked at a binary star system in M33 where the stars eclipsed each other every five days. Unlike single stars, the masses of paired stars can be precisely calculated based on their movements. With knowledge of the stars' masses, the researchers could calculate their true luminosities, or how bright they would appear if they were nearby.

The difference between the true luminosity and the observed luminosity gives the distance between the stars and Earth. The team's results suggested that the stars were about 3 million light-years from Earth--or about half-a-million light-years farther than would be expected using the commonly accepted Hubble constant value.

'Not impossible'

Lawrence Krauss, a professor of astronomy and chair of the Department of Physics at Case Western Reserve who was not involved in the study, said the idea of a significantly reduced Hubble constant would be hard to accommodate.

"Things fit right now very well for a Hubble constant of a low 70s," Krauss said in a telephone interview. "It corresponds very well with the age of globular clusters as we've determined them and the age of the universe. It would be hard, although not impossible, to change things by 15 percent."

Stanek said his team plan to follow up their finding with distance measurements for either another binary star system in M33 or to look for a binary system in another galaxy, perhaps Andromeda.

"It's extremely important to have independent measurements of the Hubble constant," Stanek told SPACE.com. "That's what we're working towards."

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Taken from todays news, This story was fun and interesting, How many tokers are in this universe? Inifinity times 15%!!!!!! WOOOHOOO, viva la marijuana!
 
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hopefully this wil dispell the theory of religions and everyone will know where they came from.... i cant wait
 
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lol but how would proving the universe is older and bigger than we expected disprove peoples religious beliefs?
 
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i dunno but i hope they do, im tired of all this religion zealotry all around me, everybody is nutz!! they all think there is someone hiding in the clouds watching looking at everyone and at everything we do... i think everyone should be locked up for believing that kind of stuff! sounds like boarderline Schizophrenia to me..... i also find it strange im in the minority for thinking this way... haha... the world im living in IS crazy. :1help:
 
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Very interesting.....thanks for sharing this article. I've studied some astronomy and own a modest telescope. We'll just have to see if further investigation confims this new conclusion.

Bh
 
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hmmm, interesting.
too bad its all lies, seeing as the universe was created 5000 years ago. idiots

seriously though, cool article
 
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LoL.... ratfink what makes you think this article is fabricated?
 
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Would it piss you off if you were told your universe is nothing more than a petri dish.


That "god" thing injects space time with electrochemical germs at precisely the right point in time and space to make little earth scum like us?

Then he flushes us all down his big toilet and keeps the most advanced lol :dueling:
 
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robobond

Future Psychopharmacologist
I think he was joking lol. What I wonder is whats beyond our universe.
 
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Verite

My little pony.. my little pony
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robobond said:
.... What I wonder is whats beyond our universe.


My guess is the interfaith galactic mall.

jesus-saves-walmart.jpg
 

Grat3fulh3ad

The Voice of Reason
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buffalosouljah said:
LoL.... ratfink what makes you think this article is fabricated?
The number he plucked out of the air, leads me to believe that he got the idea from the books of Moses in the christian or hebrew bible, and thinks that ancient mythologies supercede science...

'Beyond' the universe that we percieve, there is more 'verse' that we can't percieve... It seems arrogant calling it the 'uni'verse, as though existance is limited by our perceptions...
 
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this is really interesting.. i wish we did more with our space program..

Currently, most astronomers agree that the value of the Hubble constant is about 71 kilometers per second per megaparsec (a megaparsec is 3.2 million light-years). If this value were smaller by 15 percent, then the universe would be older and bigger by this amount as well.

Scientists now estimate the universe to be about 13.7 billion years old (a figure that has seemed firm since 2003, based on measurements of radiation leftover from the Big Bang) and about 156 billion light-years wide.

The new finding implies that the universe is instead about 15.8 billion years old and about 180 billion light-years wide.
I just dont understand where they get these numbers, or how they think they know the rate at which the universe expands..which assumes it does expand..
 
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the lorax said:
I just dont understand where they get these numbers, or how they think they know the rate at which the universe expands..which assumes it does expand..
If you have a Junior College near where you live, go and sign up for an astronomy class. This is what I did a few years back....it was damned interesting.
In part, one way we know that the universe is expanding is through something called red shift. In a lab we can see what part of the light spectrum elements glow in when heated. When we look at an object in space like a star and measure it's light spectrum we can tell that it is moving away from us if it's spectrum is slightly offset toward the red colors. This happens because the light (or electromagnetic radiation) travels in a wave and is stretched out as the object moves away. It's kind of like if you put a piece of string on your desk in a wave pattern....then pull on both ends. The peaks and valleys flatten out and get farther away from each other. It lengthens the frequency as they say.
Edwin Hubble discovered this back in 1929.....that the universe was expanding as all the distant gallaxies were moving away from us (red shifted). This is why they named our space telescope the Hubble Space Telescope because one of it's main objectives was to help determine the rate of expansion.

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robobond said:
I think he was joking lol. What I wonder is whats beyond our universe.


Nam Myoho Renge Kyo is beyond and within our understanding of the universe.

Find out more at www.sgi.org

Great comments by the way, thanks for sharing!
 
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Rat Fink said:
hmmm, interesting.
too bad its all lies, seeing as the universe was created 5000 years ago. idiots

seriously though, cool article



:pointlaug :pointlaug :pointlaug


Yeah , yeah yeah. Too bad we have fossils more than 5000 years old . Ignoring facts and calling others idiots makes you look silly. Bible thumpers think man and dinasour walked the earth at the same time.

Religous people telling us when the earth was formed is insulting to people intelligence.




Nevermind
 

GMT

The Tri Guy
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Surely luminosity relies not only upon the mass of a star, but also the chemical make up of it. Not only is it necesary to measure the brightness of a star, its mass, the rate at which it is moving but also its makeup in order to calculate its distance. And calculating one from the others will always create a margin of error.
 
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Gangabiss said:
NEWSFLASH - Scientists discover they may not actually know everything about the universe :lurk:
As one of my professors liked to point out, "science" is always a work in progress. As new discoveries are made they add to our body of knowledge....and sometimes old assumptions have to be tossed. So, in that regard, science can be self correcting.
Humans are an example of the universe attempting to understand itself. :woohoo:


Bh
 

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