UFO on Earth according to Defence Prime Minister WTF?

[headband 707]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDuqZbjxB_E

 

[Wiggs Dannyboy]

Haven't thought about this stuff much lately. One reason for that is because trying to make sense of the UFO debate can be so frustrating. For instance...that defense minister speaking in the above video starts off talking about UFO's being present on earth, but eventually begins including stuff about the Tri-Lateral Commission and other groups of rich people conspiring to control everything on our planet. Both of these things are easily labled as being the talk of crazy people by those who are in positions of power and who don't want the cat to be let out of the bag.

All this stuff...UFO's, world control conspiracies...to me are definitely possible. When the size of our universe is considered (especially the recent discovery of planets that may be suitable for life, and the fairly recent discovery right here on earth of life living in extremely hostile environments), it's almost crazy to believe that there isn't intelligent life elsewhere. Most likely, intelligent life exists all over the place, but it certainly is located at super great distances from earth. For these beings to visit our planet would require science and technology unknown to us at present. Well, just think what we knew 100 years ago, and 100 years before that...we have much more to discover in the science and technology area. I personally have no doubt that these beings who would visit our planet are way advanced compared to us, and their technology would appear as magic.

Isaac Asimov wrote a book called, "Extraterrestrial Civilizations," back in 1979 that explored the likelihood of intelligent aliens being out there in our Milky Way galaxy. One of his conclusions was that due to the immense age of the universe, any other planets that had life that had become intelligent would be, at the absolute closest, either 5000 years behind our earthly civilization or 5000 years more advanced. Those were the odds he figured.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_Civilizations_%28book%29

That book had been out of print for awhile, but I just went to Amazon and discovered it must have come back in print...I highly recommend this book for anybody who is interested in this kind of thing. Here is the Amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/Extraterrestr...s=Extraterrestrial+Civilizations+isaac+asimov

Can you imagine the science and technology a civilization would have being 5000 years ahead of us? Just fucking incredible...it would seem like magic without a doubt.

But so far there hasn't been any super duper incontrovertible HARD evidence to prove once and for all that we are being visited by alien civilizations. Without this solid evidence, our governments can continue to say it's all hogwash. And label those who are trying to unearth evidence of such visits as being total crackpots.

Considering the Trilateral Commission and other similar elite groups controlling our world's economy and patterns of waging war...again, after having observed my fellow humans and their predilections for 37 years of adult life...I can totally see this as a possible reality. Especially after the last few years and how the banks totally fucked the little guy and got away with stealing trillions of dollars...and not one person went to jail. And if this particular conspiracy theory is actually true, I can absolutely envision such a group(s) being involved with any alien species that are visiting our planet.

Really, a conspiracy is when more than 2 people get together and act in concert to benefit themselves at the expense of everybody else. That shit happens all the time by all different kinds of people. Who can dismiss the possibility that the mega rich, that have existed in our societies for eons, haven't gotten together some time ago to make sure they and their rich friends remain ensconced at the top reigning over the "little people." And, these folks with their unlimited resources would be in a position to control so much, including any evidence that their conspiracy exists.

So....I'll be fucked if I know for sure what's going on. But I wouldn't be surprised in the least if our planet is being visited by aliens and that these aliens are in contact with our government. I actually expect this is likely. Good luck coming up with any proof though.

 

[headband 707]

I absolutely believe that there are things on this earth which cannot be explained more over I believe our Gov keeps so much info from the ppl that it's hard to know what is what anymore and I'm sure this was their plan. The Universe is far too vast for us to be alone in it .. headband 707

 

[D-RingBinder]

I absolutely believe that there are things on this earth which cannot be explained

Well, no. Everything can be explained. But there are always news things to learn, so there will always be unexplained things. But remember, unexplained does not mean unexplainable. And then to jump from unexplained (UNIDENTIFIED flying object) to "its an alien spacecraft", just doesn't make any logical sense.

Science will get to explaining it sooner or later. Just don't get caught up assigning all this unexplained stuff to things that are against the odds, and that there is zero evidence for. Reminds me off the god of the gaps argument. This is your aliens of the gaps.

 

[Bionic]

But that's the thing. Our universe is "vast" (for lack of a better term.) Let's say an alien craft does decide to leave wherever they are from. They, literally, have an infinite number of directions in which to travel. What are the odds that they would happen upon us? Remote, at best.

 

[Morcheeba*]

...But so far there hasn't been any super duper incontrovertible HARD evidence to prove once and for all that we are being visited by alien civilizations...But I wouldn't be surprised in the least if our planet is being visited by aliens and that these aliens are in contact with our government. I actually expect this is likely. Good luck coming up with any proof though.

i do not look to the govt to tell me the TRUTH b/c they lie too much...........they deny the medical benefits of Cannabis when i experience them daily, hell every other hr.


anyway, how would you know if the gov is suppression Hard evidence if they didnt want that knowledge known?

all i need to do to get HARD evidence is plug in extremely conservative #'s into the Drake Equation and the answer to a more advanced civilization existing is overwhelming YES. in fact intelligent life is common throughout the cosmos so its possible there is/are ufo's on earth.


peace

 

[D-RingBinder]

in fact intelligent life is common throughout the cosmos so its possible there is/are ufo's on earth.

Again, you're jumping to a conclusion based on what evidence? We have but ONE example of life, let alone intelligent life. Maybe it is common (as I think it probably is), but that doesn't mean they are visiting earth, stealthily.

I agree, the universe is vast, anything that could happen, probably is somewhere. But not here, according to the evidence. As small as the odds are, it will eventually happen, but it just hasn't happened yet. We'll all know about it when it does.

 

[Wiggs Dannyboy]

all i need to do to get HARD evidence is plug in extremely conservative #'s into the Drake Equation and the answer to a more advanced civilization existing is overwhelming YES.

In that book I recommended above by Isaac Asimov, he came to the conclusion (I believe by using Drake's equation, or something much like it) that there are likely 530,000 planets within the Milky Way Galaxy that have the ability to support life. That is just within our own galaxy. There are BILLIONS of galaxies in the universe.

So, D-ringbinder, sure we got no proof. I'll be glad to bet all my money on those odds though.

 

[Wiggs Dannyboy]

They, literally, have an infinite number of directions in which to travel. What are the odds that they would happen upon us? Remote, at best.

Any alien civilization that would be more advanced than us would at the least be 5,000 years ahead of us in their science and technology (as figured by Isaac Asimove in that book).

Given that advanced state of being, what makes you think they would have to "happen upon us?" I'm quite certain that if we have the ability to look at planets light years away from earth and distinguish if they are potentially habitable for life, that an advanced civilization 5,000 years ahead of us could actually distinguish what planets are inhabited by intelligent beings, and what level of science/technology they have. They could likely take a look see at our outdoor gardens and tell us when our flowers are ripe for the picking.

 

[D-RingBinder]

I'll be glad to bet all my money on those odds though.

Yes I agree, there has got to be life out there. But it doesn't mean they're coming here. That's what I have a problem with.

And Drakes equation is just a bit of fun at this point in time anyways. We can't even accurately fill in all the variables.

 

[Wiggs Dannyboy]

Agree with that, Drake's isn't perfect at all. But it was just 10 years ago that we didn't know of ANY planets that could likely support life. We are learning about this stuff fast.

In my case, one reason I feel strongly about UFO's being here is that I saw a UFO with my own eyes when I was a kid, about 13 years old...before I ever ingested any mind altering substance. That has a lot of influence.

 

[D-RingBinder]

Agree with that, Drake's isn't perfect at all. But it was just 10 years ago that we didn't know of ANY planets that could likely support life. We are learning about this stuff fast.

In my case, one reason I feel strongly about UFO's being here is that I saw a UFO with my own eyes when I was a kid, about 13 years old...before I ever ingested any mind altering substance. That has a lot of influence.

And we are learning fast, yes, but learning still. We still dont have the answers neccesary to state, so resoundingly as you do, they they exist, and are visiting earth. What we have learnt has just made it possible, but you can only extrapolate so much before it turns from speculative science to science fiction.

So you saw something in the sky, and you don't know what it is, so therefore its aliens? I don't follow.

People are fooled by things in the sky often. In the sky, perspective, distance, speed, size are all thrown out the window. Something small and close up that's moving slowly could look like a large fast moving object that is far away. I know of one such story where top ranking military officials we're staring at a UFO for minutes as it darted around the sky, before realising it was a bug, up close.

Trying not to sound like a broken record here, but I'll say it again, evidence is everything. Otherwise, what stops you believing absolutely anything anyone tells you? If I say I can fly, you say, "go on then, let me see".

 

[skullznroses]

Future Foundation. Time Travel space loops. Enders Game. Humans don't understand Aliens. Human wisdom prevails. The end.

 

[Budweiser13]

Until I see hard physical proof with my own eyes. I call bullshit on all this UFO / alien talk. I think that something is out in the universe but with no hard proof it is all just a story...

 

[Wiggs Dannyboy]

Skepticism is valuable, I employ it frequently. But there is such a thing as being too skeptical, which tends to discount our ability to extrapolate what will happen based on having only part of the picture. Obviously, our ability to extrapolate accurately is based on how much evidence we have. It isn't perfect, but it does work, and there are some who have excellent skills at extrapolating.

I think you are too skeptical, based on your response to me stating I saw a UFO. You automatically questioned my statement before ever asking me about my experience. Sure, there are literally thousands of UFO sightings that are nothing more than "swamp gas." But there are also quite a few sightings by folks who are trained to be accurate observers and who also are educated in aerial phenomena.

There are many in the field of UFO research that believe the gov't has been engaged in an ongoing "misinformation campaign" to smear the entirety of UFO sightings. All those reports of UFO's on the covers of tabloids...alongside the Bat Boy and such. Seeing these ridiculous reports on UFO's all the time tends to make the entire field seem like a bunch of whackos.

I would guess that a skeptic such as yourself hasn't ever read any serious books about the existence of UFO's. There has been some excellent research done, I've only read some older books so I'm not too familiar with more modern research. I would recommend a book by J. Allen Hynek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek) called, "The Hynek UFO Report," which is a solid piece of research backed by US government dollars back in the 50's and 60's.

Anyway, regarding my experience seeing a UFO...it blew my mind at the time, is indelibly etched in my memory, and most of all, the way it happened was exactly what Dr. Hynek found when he interviewed hundreds of folks who also witnessed similar events.

 

[Budweiser13]

Skepticism is valuable, I employ it frequently. But there is such a thing as being too skeptical, which tends to discount our ability to extrapolate what will happen based on having only part of the picture. Obviously, our ability to extrapolate accurately is based on how much evidence we have. It isn't perfect, but it does work, and there are some who have excellent skills at extrapolating.

I think you are too skeptical, based on your response to me stating I saw a UFO. You automatically questioned my statement before ever asking me about my experience. Sure, there are literally thousands of UFO sightings that are nothing more than "swamp gas." But there are also quite a few sightings by folks who are trained to be accurate observers and who also are educated in aerial phenomena.

There are many in the field of UFO research that believe the gov't has been engaged in an ongoing "misinformation campaign" to smear the entirety of UFO sightings. All those reports of UFO's on the covers of tabloids...alongside the Bat Boy and such. Seeing these ridiculous reports on UFO's all the time tends to make the entire field seem like a bunch of whackos.

I would guess that a skeptic such as yourself hasn't ever read any serious books about the existence of UFO's. There has been some excellent research done, I've only read some older books so I'm not too familiar with more modern research. I would recommend a book by J. Allen Hynek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek) called, "The Hynek UFO Report," which is a solid piece of research backed by US government dollars back in the 50's and 60's.

Anyway, regarding my experience seeing a UFO...it blew my mind at the time, is indelibly etched in my memory, and most of all, the way it happened was exactly what Dr. Hynek found when he interviewed hundreds of folks who also witnessed similar events.

Very well said Wiggs... And I will not say you did not see a UFO... But I will say until I see one personally... It is all just bullshit...

 

[D-RingBinder]

Skepticism is valuable, I employ it frequently. But there is such a thing as being too skeptical, which tends to discount our ability to extrapolate what will happen based on having only part of the picture. Obviously, our ability to extrapolate accurately is based on how much evidence we have. It isn't perfect, but it does work, and there are some who have excellent skills at extrapolating.

I think you are too skeptical, based on your response to me stating I saw a UFO. You automatically questioned my statement before ever asking me about my experience. Sure, there are literally thousands of UFO sightings that are nothing more than "swamp gas." But there are also quite a few sightings by folks who are trained to be accurate observers and who also are educated in aerial phenomena.

There are many in the field of UFO research that believe the gov't has been engaged in an ongoing "misinformation campaign" to smear the entirety of UFO sightings. All those reports of UFO's on the covers of tabloids...alongside the Bat Boy and such. Seeing these ridiculous reports on UFO's all the time tends to make the entire field seem like a bunch of whackos.

I would guess that a skeptic such as yourself hasn't ever read any serious books about the existence of UFO's. There has been some excellent research done, I've only read some older books so I'm not too familiar with more modern research. I would recommend a book by J. Allen Hynek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek) called, "The Hynek UFO Report," which is a solid piece of research backed by US government dollars back in the 50's and 60's.

Anyway, regarding my experience seeing a UFO...it blew my mind at the time, is indelibly etched in my memory, and most of all, the way it happened was exactly what Dr. Hynek found when he interviewed hundreds of folks who also witnessed similar events.

There is no such thing as being too skeptical. You're either skeptical, or you're not. There isn't a lot to skepticism, just a basic need for evidence. Not just any evidence,.but evidence that is proper science. I could point to a menagerie of evidence, but show me a good paper, peer reviewed, and published in a respected journal.

That's an argument from authority, and it holds no sway with me. Anyone. I repeat, anyone can be fooled, and HAVE been fooled. No matter how well trained they are.
And saying there is quite a few is a bit of a stretch. 7 billion people and a few reports a year. Next to non existent more like it.

Not all in the field are wackos, that's not what I'm saying or believe. They are for the most part sincere normal people who happen true believers, who try to do good science, but fail.

And I don't doubt it blew your mind. It would.blow my mind too if I thought if seen aliens. But that changes nothing. Still could easily have been mistaken. And saying lots of people report similar things? That's what us skeptics like to call an argument from popularity. Just because a lot of people believe something doesn't mean its true. I mean, we're all humans with the same brain, we're all influenced by the same things in society and popular culture, we see similar things in the sky, and therefor interperate things the same way.

 

[Banefoul]

Considering all the junk and wave trash we have put out... w are glowing bright to anyone looking.

 

[Bionic]

Considering all the junk and wave trash we have put out... w are glowing bright to anyone looking.

I just read earlier this year that the first transmissions are just now reaching the edge of out solar system.

Nevermind, it was Voyager 1.

 

[D-RingBinder]

I just read earlier this year that the first transmissions are just now reaching the edge of out solar system.

They are way beyond that. They travel at the speed of light. The nearest star is about 4 light years away. Transmissions have travelled well beyond even the nearest star. Maybe you're confusing it with the Voyager 1 and 2 spacecrafts that are nearing the edge of the solar system?