IE ^^^^ elaborate, and, how much would you like to lose while we are at it? Are you so blind to the evidence? Is this some crap you hold onto simple because of Z autosome? Indeed, you are lost, feel free to set me straight.
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TWO S1 LINE PRODUCES MALES
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IE ^^^^ elaborate, and, how much would you like to lose while we are at it? Are you so blind to the evidence? Is this some crap you hold onto simple because of Z autosome? Indeed, you are lost, feel free to set me straight.
Ginger, again terminology. When I say male, I mean XY, when you say male, you mean shows balls and not pistils. But that isn't what male means. Male means possesses a male chromosome. That's why a person born male, cant have a sex change and compete in the olympics as a woman. Its also why that person wouldn't be able to get pregnant with your child, even if you accepted them as a woman and wanted it.
Please look up the term epigenetics, as you both reject it, then describe it as whats going on.
Please look up the term epigenetics, as you both reject it, then describe it as whats going on.
in thailand you'll be fooled, for they don't grow hair, and damn is he pretty. In the growroom fuck that's a guy... we separate our species into male and female based on whether or not they can reproduce as such.... where does that leave us with species that can rise above all that? Shall we get all rush on it? shall we go all amy goodman? This is the conversation, it is legitimate, imo.
I caused the reversion in the Male I had...it was not born a Fem-Male and then reverted later..
It was Male and some simple light leak stress reverted it late in the cycle...It was not a Fem based line...Really wish I'd of least used a bit and made a small batch of seed to try...
You guys talkin Tri's?...like Whorled Philo?.....tri-foliate? like blade/finger count?...
Ive never heard of a Quad tho even tho they have shown as well..heh..
If so I used a Whirled as well and no it did not carry over IME...another possible "fluke" although the plant was abnormal..Ive had a few really..the one that carried it longest def the whirled philo at 3-4th node where the ones carried it less were the ones that dev whirled from the seedling stage..if thats not the topic I'll pull this part of the post and sorry for the jaunt..
Anyway....this is all speculation still until someone proves the result of these Male-Fem offspring correct?....
If this is the case you just gave me a goal tonight...and have just a male for the job...
I will revert a Male...so Guru's what will happen in/to off spring?...what about mutations or depressions?...I'd like to know a lil more about what im getting into if its possible..seems like some unexplored territory....but Im very game..
cause what you are all proposing would make this possible...just no one knows the outcome yet...enjoying this ride folks...keep rollin
btw @Tom....theres a few varieties that have very low to no Pistil expression..DoubleDutch is 1...and yes I have it , grown it and it was very fookin weird to look at..It just kept building caylx's all thru bloom...It stopped when i stopped feeding it...was sorta kewl..not super impressive herb tho...def unique far as Pistils2calyx ratio go...looked like raspberry shaped buds with only a few very ridgid odd pistils here n there......I have images of it...not sure what the point is but just talkin..
FOE20
It was Male and some simple light leak stress reverted it late in the cycle...It was not a Fem based line...Really wish I'd of least used a bit and made a small batch of seed to try...
You guys talkin Tri's?...like Whorled Philo?.....tri-foliate? like blade/finger count?...
Ive never heard of a Quad tho even tho they have shown as well..heh..
If so I used a Whirled as well and no it did not carry over IME...another possible "fluke" although the plant was abnormal..Ive had a few really..the one that carried it longest def the whirled philo at 3-4th node where the ones carried it less were the ones that dev whirled from the seedling stage..if thats not the topic I'll pull this part of the post and sorry for the jaunt..
Anyway....this is all speculation still until someone proves the result of these Male-Fem offspring correct?....
If this is the case you just gave me a goal tonight...and have just a male for the job...
I will revert a Male...so Guru's what will happen in/to off spring?...what about mutations or depressions?...I'd like to know a lil more about what im getting into if its possible..seems like some unexplored territory....but Im very game..
cause what you are all proposing would make this possible...just no one knows the outcome yet...enjoying this ride folks...keep rollin
btw @Tom....theres a few varieties that have very low to no Pistil expression..DoubleDutch is 1...and yes I have it , grown it and it was very fookin weird to look at..It just kept building caylx's all thru bloom...It stopped when i stopped feeding it...was sorta kewl..not super impressive herb tho...def unique far as Pistils2calyx ratio go...looked like raspberry shaped buds with only a few very ridgid odd pistils here n there......I have images of it...not sure what the point is but just talkin..
FOE20
Peyote S1 "male" crossed to various strains produces females only. Buddy pollinated few strains with s1 male pollen and so far all have turned out to be females( 30-35 plants).
But this been known since the beggining , eh .
Yes.. As sands are in an hour glass, so are the truths of our pixie dust filled pipes. It's right there, in front of us, wtf? !!!!
...and yes, in case you folks are not aware, this is meant to be a departure, and it is, a massive one. You all say well of course this make perfect sense, but it didn't previously.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vou51-755I&feature=autoplay&list=PL617DC52BA95E907B&playnext=2
come on bro's I fucking dare you. If your rain must fall, let it fall on me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCTKwF-NW4c what you got...
So basically I'm guessing you have zero arguments to counteract anything I've said, since you have refused to present anything but petty retorts. Why am I not surprised?
Which proves what? Did you try sexing those in 110* temperatures, or with light stress, wind, etc, and what were the results then?
Tom, there's a good reason people sometimes end up with males (sometimes all males) in packs of "feminized" seed, even from reputable breeders; and it's not because all other breeders are idiots.
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Which proves what? Did you try sexing those in 110* temperatures, or with light stress, wind, etc, and what were the results then?
Tom, there's a good reason people sometimes end up with males (sometimes all males) in packs of "feminized" seed, even from reputable breeders; and it's not because all other breeders are idiots.
what do you think you've said? Yes, go ahead and get cozy with the feeling that your delivery leaves something to be desired, but I am at your service, that is if you have the capacity to condense it into something I can grasp. ....and you accuse me of the same... I suppose we both might find the other laughable, bet just ,,, I call, what do you have? Show me
>> I dunno gingerale, I happen to think you are incorrect also. Your model doesn't fit with the current understanding of sexual determination in cannabis. If you want to bring new evidence or a new theory, the way I see it it's your responsibility to bring new information or explain how your position fits with the current model.
Y chromosome presence certainly does mean the plant is a male, by definition. All of the plants I've screened for the presence of a Y chromosome (via PCR with primers directed against Y chromosome located markers) show as males AND pass on 'maleness' via a Y chromosome in a 50:50 ratio when mated to female plants.
How many of these plants that you claim as male have you shown to not contain a Y chromosome? What's your methodology, or what lab is testing for you, and what protocol are they using?
I'm not sure who said it here but I should point out that the factors that are responsible for maleness can't possibly lie on the pseudo-autosomal region of the Y chromosome (and thus a portion of the X by corollary), because then it would be passed along on the X chromosome when recombination occurred between the X and Y, and these markers would show up in genetically female plants often, which they don't.
There is also absolutely no evidence to suggest that the 'modifying factors' which are involved in male flower development are either on the autosomes or X chromosome pair; the only thing we know with certainty is that something that determines male-ness is located on the Y-chromosome- be it a transcription factor or other gene product that result in plants with the Y chromosome being of the male gender. Either way, when it's present, the plant is a male.
We can make all sorts of transient and inducible changes in sexual expression on plants of both sexes via application of ethylene or ethylene blockers; that much shows us the genes involved in male-flower production themselves, are located on the autosomes or the non-PAR region of the X.
It should be no surprise given the obvious major controlling factor is ethylene- one of only 5 major plant hormones - that changes in ethylene levels will lead to atypical expression of the gender of the plant- ie the ability for genetically female plants to show male flowers, and vice versa. Given that ethylene levels are known to change in various plants as the life-cycle ends ( fruits ripening, for example) it stands to reason that natural or induced changes in ethylene by stress or other factors, can and does lead to atypical sexual expression.
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Heh, I hold venting sessions seven days a week at my house you get a baseball bat and a room full of mirrors for 500$.
Be like water....and never underestimate your opponent...fair enough...so much for fair huh...
sad...truly sad...never seen good Herb do this to ppl so easily...
Used to respect some folks here quite highly...don;t think I can say that anymore...specially when you feel so above everything..
I'll say this and from growing DC I have the right to...
the OD grows of some "DC" work with DC were overdosed in N-P and caused sever excess foliage and resin prod which far as resins go sure its not a bad thing...but cutting thru 50 layers of leaves to reach a solid product is not how it was for me..
The DC stock Grew normally...not as manipulated as the promo material..
This is the diff between OD and Indoor...its mainly the intuition that a Indoor grower must have to get a plant to full maturity without wild deviation in expression..which is less controllable OD..and then using that as a promotional tool is just what it is...Hype...
The scene is better off without ppl like this...I desire and care for the plants..not their so called masters...what a joke...
one day we'll all meet at the big pow wow in the sky and then we'll see whos talk has the walk...till then enjoy your rants..its lame and pointless to the rest of us....Have a nice day
FOE20
sad...truly sad...never seen good Herb do this to ppl so easily...
Used to respect some folks here quite highly...don;t think I can say that anymore...specially when you feel so above everything..
I'll say this and from growing DC I have the right to...
the OD grows of some "DC" work with DC were overdosed in N-P and caused sever excess foliage and resin prod which far as resins go sure its not a bad thing...but cutting thru 50 layers of leaves to reach a solid product is not how it was for me..
The DC stock Grew normally...not as manipulated as the promo material..
This is the diff between OD and Indoor...its mainly the intuition that a Indoor grower must have to get a plant to full maturity without wild deviation in expression..which is less controllable OD..and then using that as a promotional tool is just what it is...Hype...
The scene is better off without ppl like this...I desire and care for the plants..not their so called masters...what a joke...
one day we'll all meet at the big pow wow in the sky and then we'll see whos talk has the walk...till then enjoy your rants..its lame and pointless to the rest of us....Have a nice day
FOE20
well my thread is a pile of shit now that's a fact... I dont see a need to continue this banter
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vonforne
Let us not repeat the last episode here. We all know what that means.
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Such a pitty you deleted the cellular reproduction arguments over my tris, and chimeras excellent post on what makes a male male. To lock the thread I can understand, but to delete relevant posts, to leave an attack on my line undeleted but not the defense, to delete the one post that completely bombs the purpose of this thread, and then reopen it, leaving a reader thinking that males from S1s are possible, that's bad modding.
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vonforne
after a few hundred I was aggravated. You 2 should know better than to do that kind of posting. That is being a bad member. Technically GMT it was a TOU violation.
You wish to take this further?
You wish to take this further?
I am just really let down that the only funny post in the thread (my video from the movie old school) was deleted ;\ Heh just jokin thanks for cleaning it up, but if there is any chance of chimera's info being put back up since I did not get to read it please do so. He is always saying something worth reading and often proving me wrong where I thought I knew something...
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^^ Chimera's was an excellent post. I wouldn't mind a re-read or 3 cause you better believe I was rather toasty when it crossed my eyes the first time, and the info was enough above my head to require a few one overs.... There was nothing in chimeras post violating the TOU that I can remember, just good info discussing genetics... It just happened to be buried within the banter...
Please hook it up guys, easily one of the most informative posts I've read here in the last couple of months....
Please hook it up guys, easily one of the most informative posts I've read here in the last couple of months....
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