Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)

shiva82 · 2024-11-23T13:56:05+0000

self taught 'scientists'are usually referred to as , 'charlatans '

buzzmobile · 2024-11-23T14:01:52+0000

Captain Red Eye said:
Not trying to butt in, (okay maybe a little bit) but having read some of the back and forth between you guys, it's possible both of you have a point. No disrespect intended to either of you.

If you asked him not to reveal information and he did, he probably shouldn't have done so.

Although, if you publish the information you didn't want revealed on a different site that you refer people to from here, it's not unreasonable to think his revealing the same info. which you yourself also reveal is not too much of a big deal.

It's not up to me to make you guys agree to disagree, but if you did that might be cool. Alternatively, if you go on with the back and forth for a few more pages, I'm gonna need some more popcorn.

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I doubt there will be a Christmas card exchange.

Those 2 boobs have hairy nipples.

eastcoastjoe · 2024-11-23T14:03:31+0000

buzzmobile said:
I doubt there will be a Christmas card exchange.

Those 2 boobs have hairy nipples.

eastcoastjoe · 2024-11-23T14:04:19+0000

shiva82 said:
self taught 'scientists'are usually referred to as , 'charlatans '

I wonder what his pronouns are

eastcoastjoe · 2024-11-23T14:05:10+0000

@mean mr.mustard pronouns are

Yellow / coward

RobFromTX · 2024-11-23T14:09:29+0000

I think modest mustard took another break from icmag. No worries though. He'll be back in a week or two more vicious than ever before

Captain Red Eye · 2024-11-23T14:10:39+0000

buzzmobile said:
I doubt there will be a Christmas card exchange.

Those 2 boobs have hairy nipples.

mean mr.mustard · 2024-11-23T14:11:02+0000

I'm still here.

Not vicious in the least.

I just quit petting the troll.

Microbeman · 2024-11-23T14:11:13+0000

eastcoastjoe said:
I perfectly understand that you were trying to make an argument for trans rights over a condition so rare , it’s considered the rarest sexual disorder on earth. 1 :100,000 in live births. 500 reported cases globally.

During the discussion, I made very clear that I was not trying to support the trans trend that is taking place. I also made clear that I was not arguing with you. I was only attempting to illustrate that these people (intersex) could be caught up in a broadscale law prohibiting some surgeries and pharmaceuticals. I offered a scientific paper and quotes showing that this is not as simple as you stated to deal with, because female/male hormonal tissues can be intricately intertwined, evading obvious detection. These, therefore show at puberty with such things as breast development in boys and unusual body hair, deep voice and unusual sex organ development in girls.

If you had even glanced through the paper (using your best reading skills) you might have determined what I was talking about. I also encouraged you to realize that the incidence of this is higher than you maintained. Hiddenjems got it. Perhaps you could go back and read.

"Overall, ovotesticular DSD is a rare form of DSD, with an estimated incidence of <1/20,000 individuals, representing <5% of all DSD cases."

eastcoastjoe · 2024-11-23T14:11:52+0000

RobFromTX said:
I think modest mustard took another break from icmag. No worries though. He'll be back in a week or two more vicious than ever before

We have a rematch clause so I’m ready when he is.

Joe - 1
Mustard - 0

eastcoastjoe · 2024-11-23T14:14:09+0000

Microbeman said:
During the discussion, I made very clear that I was not trying to support the trans trend that is taking place. I also made clear that I was not arguing with you. I was only attempting to illustrate that these people (intersex) could be caught up in a broadscale law prohibiting some surgeries and pharmaceuticals. I offered a scientific paper and quotes showing that this is not as simple as you stated to deal with, because female/male hormonal tissues can be intricately intertwined, evading obvious detection. These, therefore show at puberty with such things as breast development in boys and unusual body hair, deep voice and unusual sex organ development in girls.

If you had even glanced through the paper (using your best reading skills) you might have determined what I was talking about. I also encouraged you to realize that the incidence of this is higher than you maintained. Hiddenjems got it. Perhaps you could go back and read.

"Overall, ovotesticular DSD is a rare form of DSD, with an estimated incidence of <1/20,000 individuals, representing <5% of all DSD cases."

According to the National Institute of Health,
A rate of 1:100,000 in live births. It’s considered the rarest sexual condition

46 XY Ovotesticular Disorder: A Rare Case Report with Review of Literature - PMC

Ovotesticular disorder represents 10% of cases of disorder of sex development characterized by the presence of both ovarian and testicular tissue in the same individual, with karyotype 46 XY being a rare sex chromosomal abnormality. We report the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Microbeman · 2024-11-23T14:16:45+0000

eastcoastjoe said:
He’s saying that these folks should have the right to puberty blockers at a young age. My argument was these folks could get correction surgery and would not need hormone blockers.

I stated that for these individuals, they may require a range of pre and post surgical pharmaceuticals which may include hormone blockers and replacers. Mostly, theoretically this would occur around puberty in line with what I stated. Stop using strawman statements please.

eastcoastjoe · 2024-11-23T14:18:01+0000

Microbeman said:
During the discussion, I made very clear that I was not trying to support the trans trend that is taking place. I also made clear that I was not arguing with you. I was only attempting to illustrate that these people (intersex) could be caught up in a broadscale law prohibiting some surgeries and pharmaceuticals. I offered a scientific paper and quotes showing that this is not as simple as you stated to deal with, because female/male hormonal tissues can be intricately intertwined, evading obvious detection. These, therefore show at puberty with such things as breast development in boys and unusual body hair, deep voice and unusual sex organ development in girls.

If you had even glanced through the paper (using your best reading skills) you might have determined what I was talking about. I also encouraged you to realize that the incidence of this is higher than you maintained. Hiddenjems got it. Perhaps you could go back and read.

"Overall, ovotesticular DSD is a rare form of DSD, with an estimated incidence of <1/20,000 individuals, representing <5% of all DSD cases."

Is this considered gender dysphoria ? No. Why would this small subset of the population be lumped in to this

Microbeman said:
I stated that for these individuals, they may require a range of pre and post surgical pharmaceuticals which may include hormone blockers and replacers. Mostly, theoretically this would occur around puberty in line with what I stated. Stop using strawman statements please.

If these folks had correction surgery, why would they need hormone blockers ? I asked you this before

Microbeman · 2024-11-23T14:18:09+0000

zachrockbadenof said:
wow... for such a small group they certainly makes a lot of noise

This particular group makes no noise.

Microbeman · 2024-11-23T14:20:51+0000

eastcoastjoe said:
If these folks had correction surgery, why would they need hormone blockers ? I asked you this before

I did not state that they would. I stated that some may pre-surgery. It is not as simple as your attempt to portray.

eastcoastjoe · 2024-11-23T14:22:17+0000

Microbeman said:
This particular group makes no noise.

So we keep this current system going for such a group. Meanwhile, allowing kids to make poor medical decisions based on something they don’t understand. Something even people like you and mustard can’t even explain

shiva82 · 2024-11-23T14:22:31+0000

if microbean did a real degree , masters , phd and could write prescriptions , he would make Harold Shipman look small fry in comparison

praise jah he is not qualified

eastcoastjoe · 2024-11-23T14:22:44+0000

Microbeman said:
I did not state that they would. I stated that some may pre-surgery. It is not as simple as your attempt to portray.

You said pre and post surgery

eastcoastjoe · 2024-11-23T14:24:10+0000

shiva82 said:
if microbean did a real degree , masters , phd and could write prescriptions , he would make Harold Shipman look small fry in comparison

praise jah he is not qualified

Precisely why we shouldn’t be allowing parents and doctors to make these decisions. Only patients who are mentally capable of comprehending the long term effects

eastcoastjoe · 2024-11-23T14:25:41+0000

Microbeman said:
I did not state that they would. I stated that some may pre-surgery. It is not as simple as your attempt to portray.

Explain to me exactly how a person with this condition would develop breast tissue ?

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