Josh-Skunker
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Can the Police trace your IP back to your address via comments you make on here? Sorry I'm just a bit paranoid. 
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Tracing IP
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Chester
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JJScorpio said:
Sorry, I disagree. I would never say impossible. Never forget that the US FBI seized servers in the UK and Italy in the Indymedia fiasco. http://www.eff.org/cases/indymedia-server-takedown
Who knows what shenanigans they will use to attempt similar stunts in other EU countries. The US claims that it has the "right" to spy on any US citizen. Period. The US even claims the right to kidnap UK citizens for crimes in the US!!!
Use a good proxy whenever using any site that records or has the potential to record IP addresses. I include all Internet forums in this category. Some sites track the addresses for banning purposes others don't. I don't try to figure out who does what, I just use a good proxy as a matter of good, safe, browsing practice. (Today, it looks like I'm browsing from Switzerland)
Caution and reasonable care may save your backside someday. Play it safe, and you won't be sorry.
Well, in general, for the majority of users (90%) , for growing alone,(smaller personal runs) it wouldn't be an issue.
This topic hasn't ever really been covered in depth, (always focus's on site....when site is only a single aspect in some cases not applicable anyway....)
Full and true IP investigations and procedures never been addressed...(Yes, there have been many over the years for different things....huge one is always child porn, which works well because basically every jurisdiction cooperates......There was also large one in Europe (Italy/Germany growers?) The you have the FBI full pipe surveillance,etc. Not my area of expertise, but, even I know many of the basics involved regarding IP to bust, and, I can tell you, in last years, the reality of it hasn't even been addressed on any site.
Smaller grower is fine, as lost as no personal information or details given to anyone.
(I think OG a possible indicator, because so, so, so much more could have been done with that investigation, but, then again
, it lies in the details of why it wasn't done .....Target was seed source, when in reality the true benefits would have lie with the growers..... larger seizures, greater cumulative years given out, larger number of felony cases,etc...That could have been a jackpot for them and they blew it for the supply end, which will probably end up going nowhere impressive....so ....)
Edit: I confused the 2......ME involved 50 DEA offices.......OG RMCP,US instigated.
The key: Ask yourself, how do they get the IP to begin with...(let's even say site logs and knows log in IP of every user......okay, fine......You log in , site knows IP, now what happens? ..(actually never covered on any site by anyone ....)
This topic hasn't ever really been covered in depth, (always focus's on site....when site is only a single aspect in some cases not applicable anyway....)
Full and true IP investigations and procedures never been addressed...(Yes, there have been many over the years for different things....huge one is always child porn, which works well because basically every jurisdiction cooperates......There was also large one in Europe (Italy/Germany growers?) The you have the FBI full pipe surveillance,etc. Not my area of expertise, but, even I know many of the basics involved regarding IP to bust, and, I can tell you, in last years, the reality of it hasn't even been addressed on any site.
Smaller grower is fine, as lost as no personal information or details given to anyone.
(I think OG a possible indicator, because so, so, so much more could have been done with that investigation, but, then again
, it lies in the details of why it wasn't done .....Target was seed source, when in reality the true benefits would have lie with the growers..... larger seizures, greater cumulative years given out, larger number of felony cases,etc...That could have been a jackpot for them and they blew it for the supply end, which will probably end up going nowhere impressive....so ....)Edit: I confused the 2......ME involved 50 DEA offices.......OG RMCP,US instigated.
The key: Ask yourself, how do they get the IP to begin with
...(let's even say site logs and knows log in IP of every user......okay, fine......You log in , site knows IP, now what happens? ..(actually never covered on any site by anyone ....)
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Different matter. Shut down because owner of site (US hosted) had direct involvement in production. Their entire op was US based.
The options available (above) are criminal actions in themselves.
Many investigations are done, info is out there for all to browse. The site having the IP (Maybe proxy, maybe accessed from public system,etc,etc) is a small fraction of a successful investigation ending in a prosecution of suspect(s).
Again, the true and actual procedure to do such has really never been addressed.....only site logging has been addressed...(over and over and over and over).,..........outline of an investigation has never been covered or discussed.
Many investigations are done, info is out there for all to browse. The site having the IP (Maybe proxy, maybe accessed from public system,etc,etc) is a small fraction of a successful investigation ending in a prosecution of suspect(s).
Again, the true and actual procedure to do such has really never been addressed.....only site logging has been addressed...(over and over and over and over).,..........outline of an investigation has never been covered or discussed.
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so are we safe or no...wtf. i don't think any of us know, and IMHO, i think if the us wanted all of us info, they could get it easy. lets b real...the question is, do they care, maybe yes on big shit but for most, small time, personal shit, no. i'm not thinking about it anymore. plus the fact IC is not in usa and is a pot friendly place, is our advantage. but if i were big grower, i would NOT be posting pics of my grow size, bud shots and a few plants yes, entire rooms, no....
Yet here I sit........year after year after yearvindiesel said:
They question is not "could they get it".....they question is "could they legally get it"
(Must be some investigation they're building for it to take 6 years and still no arrest...
)The greatest danger the average member faces is in exchanging personal info.......sharing seeds, cuts, with people who they have never met and don't know who they truly are....email addresses....personal meets......etc....IP's should be the last thing on mind of majority....
And what would an IP produce?.......which proxy was used?....what if user is jacking wireless from neighborhood? What if public system?.....IP in itself means little and no definite indication of anything. Could spend most of ones time chasing down dead ends....tripples said:
Again...not my area of expertise....I have others who it is their area, but, have run through quite a few web investigations.....site having IP only one factor....a lot to be done from that point on to prosecution.
tripples
Member
well with an ip address.. your isp does have the rest of the info to follow.. getting the info from the users ISP is where youd need to be a great social engineer.. this is all something that most of us if not all really do not need to be concerned with.. my only point here is that anythings possible out here..
Well, theoretically they could obtain information illegally and then credit to CI.......(which is done all the time....DEA more likely to than FBI.....), but, again......the space between a blind IP and a prosecution is not a short road
Point being: Year after year after year there are hundreds upon hundreds of threads about IP's, but, as of yet, not a single one outlining process of such an investigation......(therefore, all that concern over something no one seems to understand to begin with....)
Tech guys will come in with commentary about various thing.....but, in the end, no one seems to understand how such an investigation is initiated, and the course it must run to lead to a successful prosecution......
Point being: Year after year after year there are hundreds upon hundreds of threads about IP's, but, as of yet, not a single one outlining process of such an investigation......(therefore, all that concern over something no one seems to understand to begin with....)
Tech guys will come in with commentary about various thing.....but, in the end, no one seems to understand how such an investigation is initiated, and the course it must run to lead to a successful prosecution......
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the only thing i really caution against is clicking offsite links.... this is a way for your ip to be logged...
even then, its not really that big of a deal because even if they did log my ip as referred from ICMags URL, they would then have to decipher which of the 1,000's of members I am...
good luck..
but, i will still knock on wood. you never fucking know these days. never fucking know.
even then, its not really that big of a deal because even if they did log my ip as referred from ICMags URL, they would then have to decipher which of the 1,000's of members I am...
good luck..
but, i will still knock on wood. you never fucking know these days. never fucking know.
Josh-Skunker
Member
Only one post on this thread re-assures me. Thanks JJ.
As JJ has stated the servers for icmag are in Holland......perhaps the most cannabis tolerant country in the world and since we are not here to sell cannabis but only to give advice and information about the plant.....there is no criminality involved in that.....(freedom of information e.t.c.)
The site sits on a very secure server and is watched over 24/7 by people that understand the importance of keeping the membership secure and if ever there was to be a breach of this security then the site Admin's would be notified immediately and can take the appropriate action....(magnetize/nuke the hard-drives e.t.c.)..
We don't log I.P.'s and don't keep e-mail adresses for any use other than to notify a new member that they can now be active on the site.
Thats what we do for your security......
What you can do for your own security if you feel that what we do is not enough is to register with an e-mail adress that cannot be traced back to you EVER....
When you surf/post on the site go thru a PROXY server...
NEVER give out ANY personnal details:adress, real name, phone number-user-handle-password to ANY other person/member.....
......we can only do so much to safeguard your security.......you need to do the rest if you so feel that you need more.....
The site sits on a very secure server and is watched over 24/7 by people that understand the importance of keeping the membership secure and if ever there was to be a breach of this security then the site Admin's would be notified immediately and can take the appropriate action....(magnetize/nuke the hard-drives e.t.c.)..
We don't log I.P.'s and don't keep e-mail adresses for any use other than to notify a new member that they can now be active on the site.
Thats what we do for your security......
What you can do for your own security if you feel that what we do is not enough is to register with an e-mail adress that cannot be traced back to you EVER....
When you surf/post on the site go thru a PROXY server...
NEVER give out ANY personnal details:adress, real name, phone number-user-handle-password to ANY other person/member.....
......we can only do so much to safeguard your security.......you need to do the rest if you so feel that you need more.....
To me this is an interesting topic. Remember my contribution to this thread is
coming from a U.S. citizen's point of view. From reading the post's in this
thread I see two possible solution's to this problem. The first one is: don't
post any incriminating picture's or mention illegal activities in your post's. The
second one has to do with being extremely knowledgeable about internet
privacy. If a person who is growing marijuana (including smaller grows with
3-5 plants) wants to make post's on a site big brother is probably monitoring
they better know every damn thing there is to know about their privacy on
that site. I saw mentions about the legality of obtaining information from
site's like this and I am going to tell you that U.S. law enforcement does not
give a fuck about what is illegal and if they want your information they are
going to get it even if it takes them awhile to figure out how. After they
figure out that you have something illegal going on then they will start to
build a legitimate case to obtain a valid search warrant. So long story short if
you are going to post incriminating pictures or post's on this and other sites
spend as much time researching internet security/privacy as you have spent
researching the cultivation of marijuana.
coming from a U.S. citizen's point of view. From reading the post's in this
thread I see two possible solution's to this problem. The first one is: don't
post any incriminating picture's or mention illegal activities in your post's. The
second one has to do with being extremely knowledgeable about internet
privacy. If a person who is growing marijuana (including smaller grows with
3-5 plants) wants to make post's on a site big brother is probably monitoring
they better know every damn thing there is to know about their privacy on
that site. I saw mentions about the legality of obtaining information from
site's like this and I am going to tell you that U.S. law enforcement does not
give a fuck about what is illegal and if they want your information they are
going to get it even if it takes them awhile to figure out how. After they
figure out that you have something illegal going on then they will start to
build a legitimate case to obtain a valid search warrant. So long story short if
you are going to post incriminating pictures or post's on this and other sites
spend as much time researching internet security/privacy as you have spent
researching the cultivation of marijuana.
And also being a US citizen I respectfully disagree. Never met any po-po that were a challenge for a decent lawyer. When theres no possible way for them to get your personal information from an IP address without breaking the law themselves illegally obtaining it from your ISP they are screwed.
Last time I checked ISP's direct all that shit to their legal dept. They know they can be sued just as much as the police and thats why they both dont do it. Both of them can barely afford to stay afloat in the first place, none of them budget for yearly lawsuits for violation of privacy.
Besides that theres no way in hell any police agency or an ISP for that matter is going to be able to keep these kinds of activities secret on a nationwide level. Not in this day and age. Look how fast the whistle was blown on AT&T diverting router traffic to NSA servers. You would think they could have kept that one a secret considering its nationwide sensitivity. There isnt a flying pigs chance they can keep major violations of privacy going after random pot growers on the internet by IP addresses.
And this is the major flaw with everyones presumption that your areas police dept has groups of IP addresses that they are responsible for policing for all applicable local laws. Doesnt work that way yet and if it ever does there will be plenty of lawsuits to warn people.
