Top leafs droopy, bottom growth strong

[yamaha_1fan]

What STRAIN are you growing? White Widow
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?) Seed
What is the age of your plants? 3-4 months, maybe older
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? Vegging as a mom
What Technique are you using? ebb and flo
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.) hydroton
What is the Nutrient temperature? 70 degrees
What Nutrient's are you using? GH 3 part
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using? 1300, last week 400
What is the pH of the "Tank"? 5.5-6.5
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment? yup
When was your last watering? every 2 hours with lights on
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
What size bulb are you using? 1000W MH
What is the distance to the canopy? 24 inches
What is your RH Factor? 60
What is the canopy temperature? unknown
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range) unknown
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) 1 box fan
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? no
Is your water HARD or SOFT? hard
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched Yes topped big time
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When? nope
Are plant's infected with pest's nope










On the last pic, you should see the bottom of the plant is growing strong and that is all new growth since the plant was topped a couple weeks ago. But the leaves at the top are all droopy and they are getting discolored. They are also feeling dry and crispy.

In a nutshell, she is in a E&F table getting GH nutes. Same nute formula for months, nothing has changed. The only thing is she got topped but I thought there was plenty of fan leaves to support it coming back. She also had some of her roots removed as they were tangled with another plant that got the axe. There was some algae on the roots but some h20 seems to have gotten rid of 90%. Plus the algae was not that bad. I have seen other plants with alot more algae with no ill effects.

Really the only thing I can think of is, she didnt respond to the topping, cause thats where she went downhill. I have 10-15 other plants in the table and they are fine, including 2 other white widows.

I am going to drain the rez and flush with fresh water for a couple days but I dont have much faith in that

 

[yamaha_1fan]

anyone?

 

[yamaha_1fan]

you are looking at it correctly. The plant was twice the size and it was suggested I top all the plants to get them to bush out and be better moms. They all are doing fine except this one.

I guess if it doesnt gett better which I doubt it will, I will just cut the top off. I am running straight water for now to flush it.

 

[eLiguL]

Just my opinion so take it for what its worth.

When you topped the plants you redirected teh auxins to the bottom of the plant. The top leaves look droppy because of the distance of the nodes and the plant refocusing its energy on the bottom part of the plant due to the topping. I would consider further topping on this plant because of the (looks like almost 2ft. from the bottom to top) distance of the nodes.

 

[MynameStitch]

Ya, that plant is toast, how much did you top off her man?

Are there any other plants you topped that is doing this? That plant was obvious very stretchy to begin with, looks like the plant did not have the light close enough to it or improper spectrum.

1300, last week 400

How tall are your plants and did you mean to put a 1 in front of the 400?

 

[yamaha_1fan]

This is the only plant that is doing this. I topped 5 or 6 just as much and they are all fine. They are under a 1000 MH.

And yes it was 1300, then 400. I transplanted them from their own small ebb and flos into one big table. They were all on the same diet anyway. So I lowered the nutes as most of the plants lost some roots, etc. This plant was already looking poor before the transplant.

Now all the plants are on water only to flush them for a couple days and get back on nutes.

Think I could just cut her down to the good growth?

Thanks for looking stitch

 

[MynameStitch]

Did this plant the one drooping lose roots too?
Plants that loose roots go into shock and normally you want to use some vitamin B1, but stay away from superthrive for hydro.... use like thrive alive, b52, and some others... dark energy... stuff like that, but don't use it regularly, use it once or twice until they get back to normal and stop using it.

Good call on lowering the nutrients, when they lose roots and you add a high nutrient count like that, it's not good, roots got to start with getting used to higher nutrients and trying to recover from lost roots.... sometimes depending on how bad the plant is, they won't recover too well, shocked the plant badly. THe one in the picture I would not worry about and toss it, it's going to end up dying,m I am about 80% sure that plant has had it

 

[yamaha_1fan]

stitch, have you seen the bottom of the plant? There is good new growth there. All that growth has occured after the topping.

Yes this one lost some roots, but not as bad as the others. This plant had some room around it so the roots didnt get tangled much with the others. The others were in 5.5 pots jammed in right next to each other and the roots just got all tangled. Now each pot has this square patch of roots under it. Kind of funny

I am just going to chop it down to the new growth.

If all else fails, I yanked 3 of its clones from the flower room and put them in veg. They were in 12/12 for 5-7 days. They should be fine going back to 18/6?

 

[MynameStitch]

If that plant lives, I will be very surprised...... yes, if you take clones they will be fine, but do it quickly..... the roots were cut off, the ones cut off were important and the plant is lacking now, it's like cutting off veins inside the body and not allowing parts to get blood....

 

[Dramajic]

I have a drip system (Eurogrower). When my pump comes on more that 3 times a day, root rot takes out the plants. Also, having the pump kick on during the dark phase does the same thing.

The very dark green color would suggest they are over ferted.

My 2 cents

 

[yamaha_1fan]

well i chopped it above the new growth.

The clones were taken 3 weeks ago, the same time I chopped her. But they have been in 12/12 for the last week.

STitch thanks for taking a look.

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

well i chopped it above the new growth.

The clones were taken 3 weeks ago, the same time I chopped her. But they have been in 12/12 for the last week.

STitch thanks for taking a look.

thats what i was thinking before i scrolled down...
u probably stressed the top out...

 

[MynameStitch]

Anytime, I hope it does live though, normally if they don't recover within a week, chances are they were shocked, you got recent pics of them?