too much blood/bone meal, what to do?

[little-soldier]

I put too much blood/bone meal in my soil so I flushed twice. The first time was with 2 times the pot size and 2 weeks later 4 times the pot size. Now I feed my bitches at 600ppm 3 weeks into bloom and I burned the shit out of them. Its too late to transplant so what other options are left?

 

[joe cool]

transplanting in fresh, unfertilized soil is one of your few options...that's what I'd do. You'll never be able to flush a cup each of blood and bone from a 3 gal pot.

next time worry about what your plant is telling you, not the ppm on a meter (meaningless if you're burning them). there is no magic number to make these things grow. go easy on yourself and try not to torture your "bitches", they'll respect you more in the morning.

 

[the undertaker]

flushing does nothing with bone/blood meal.

 

[Guest]

All the above for $100, Alex.

 

[little-soldier]

isnt it too late anyways?

 

[joe cool]

Now I'm remembering this from some of your other posts, so some facts may not be correct so please correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe you said you had .75 cups of bone and blood per 1.5 gallons of soil.

1. Blood meal is a fast acting high nitrogen fertilizer that will burn the shit out of plants if added at just a little too much. Not good for flowering. Good for green leafy growth when used in moderation. OK for starting a batch of soil cooking, but there's better stuff out there (guanos). The way you're using it, I guess is ok, alot of people wouldn't use it like that. BUT, if adding to the soil (you're using 3 gallon pots?) it should be at no more than a tablespoon per gallon of soil, even that might be too much when added raw.

2. Bone Meal is a slow acting high phosphorous, high calcium, moderate nitrogen fertilizer. Good for flowering, encouraging root growth and plant structure. When used indoors it should be composted in the soil mix for a good long time (2 weeks min) to reap the benefits. Good stuff, I like to add it to my intial soil mix, some people don't like it because it's an animal by-product which raises a bunch of other concerns. Not so good for adding directly to the potting soil as you repot. 1.5 cups is about what I use in 15 gals of composting mix. Way too much for 3 gals.

You said that you aren't getting much root growth, yet 3 weeks into flower. Not so sure you can expect much flower without strong healthy root growth. By three weeks the roots should havev a 3 gal pot pretty much filled by now.

Sorry, but it sounds like you're trying to force things to happen. Go with nature and let her do her thing. Get back to, or start with the basics. Don't add so much so often, it's hurting you big time.

- basic soil mix, castings and sunshine/pro-mix
- basic ferts, 5-1-1 fish for veg or high -n guano for tea (switch these around for something to play with),earth juice bloom for flower, or high-p bat guano for tea.

If you really feel you need it, maybe some liquid karma or similar...but not ALL of it. Just back off from all these things you're throwing at them, it's messing you up and it's making it way harder for you.

At 3 weeks you should be seeing substantial blooms and sugar. How do they look?

 

[gromer]

See?Whatd I tell ya?Went and followed some peeps recipe and look where you landed.I prolly only put .75 cups blood or bone to an entire brick of pro mix.When I say amend LIGHTL,I mean lightly.Subcool adds the whole box of each to a brick crazy mofo.But that is also why he waters plain water the whole time.For the rest of this run Id feed just plain water lay off the liquid food.You could use somthing like humic acid to help the plants eat up some of the excess ferts in the soil.Sorry bud this mistake wasnt due to advice from me was it?If so I apologize,shoulda gone into better detail.

 

[little-soldier]

No gromer, it was not your advice that got me in this dilly of a pickle situation. I followed BOG recipe but for some reason stupid me I thought it was 2 cups of bone/blood meal for a 3 gallon pot. They are still looking not too bad, they are in week 3 and look to be about a week behind. Its hard to tell because I have added bushmaster. Im just just starting to see trichs, probably slow because of the BM and maybe overfert alltogether but as for the roots, Im transplanting tonight and ill let you know if the roots have filled up their medium. To tell you the truth, I dont even know if its a 3 gal pot I have but it probably isnt. Pots are those regular black ones everybody uses for outdoor and the dimensions are 9 inch wide and 8 inch high so Im thinking its probably a little over 1 gal but not even 2 for sure. I think Ima follow your advice and only feed them with plain water from now on but too bad because I have gravity and purple maxx I wanted to try out. I might transplant try to feed them one last time 2 weeks after I transplant them at like week 6 which is the last to feed them but I hope I wont get schwag because of too much nitrogen which apparently makes them flufier

 

[joe cool]

"Its hard to tell because I have added bushmaster"

"...too bad because I have gravity and purple maxx I wanted to try out. I might transplant try to feed them one last time 2 weeks after I transplant them at like week 6 which is the last to feed them but I hope I wont get schwag because of too much nitrogen which apparently makes them flufier"

Do you even know why you're adding these?

Why keep doing what you want to do, and not what the plant wants? You'll be lucky to get anything if you keep up this approach. You've got alot more reading to here.

Good luck.

 

[little-soldier]

I was told that 2 to 4 cups of powdered dextrose ( ie corn syrup) per 5 gallons will slow nute uptake. Has anyone ever tried this?

 

[est1977]

dude go back and read the forums at most to a 1.5 gallons worth of soil you want to add maybe like 3teaspoons and thats after your transplanting after they are 4 weeks old you never feed a seedling unless your feeding it really really weak like 1 ml per gallon of some pure blend or pure blend pro but i suggest you do a bit more research before your next grow

 

[gromer]

Whoa ,whoa ,whoa take it easy on the little guy.Is this how we treat somone new tryin to make it work around here?Thats not very cool,remember we all were a beginner at one time and some of us never had all this to read.Actually somtimes I think its all the reading that gets folks into trouble instead of doin like Joe said and tryin to READ the plant,ahh this very important grasshoppa.Learn to speak the language of the leaves before you read the pages in book,only then can you truly unlock Grayskull.LOL!!But seriously why didnt you say so AHH even I an experienced ganja farmer just toasted some pure sativas trying out Bushmaster for my local hydro shop.AND I ONLY USED DROPS MERE DROPS AS A FOLIAR.Im tellin ya this is a GREAT product it is capable of doing exactly what it says but man the 8oz bottle they gave me will last a lifetime at the rate it actually should be applied.Whats it say?3-5mlpr gallon or somthing?In the res?Are you kidding me?This stuff is so potent I would never ever feed it directly to the roots only foliar and damn light.And it works it really frikn works.Plants that typically stretch to 5 ft are now at 3 and set up buds a full week sooner.So theres yer culprit that and that dose of B and b was prolly a little heavy,no biggy youll get her next time.Just flush em out as good as you can and when I say flush dont pound the water to em just water em when they are dry and let some but not much go to runoff.Its more important that the plants stay healthy and keep eating than it is to flood the medium and have a soggy generally unhealthy plant.There you go buddy thats what it was the Bushmaster hope that helps ya,Peace gromerr pott!!

 

[thescientist]

Hey gromer, did you say you are testing bushmaster for your local hydro store? Please explain.

 

[Relik]

AHH even I an experienced ganja farmer just toasted some pure sativas trying out Bushmaster for my local hydro shop.AND I ONLY USED DROPS MERE DROPS AS A FOLIAR.Im tellin ya this is a GREAT product it is capable of doing exactly what it says but man the 8oz bottle they gave me will last a lifetime at the rate it actually should be applied.Whats it say?3-5mlpr gallon or somthing?In the res?Are you kidding me?This stuff is so potent I would never ever feed it directly to the roots only foliar and damn light.

Nutrient uptake is more effective when foliar feeding than root feeding, this is why foliars should be more diluted! Maybe that's why you toasted your babes? Not criticizing just contributing...

Peace

 

[gromer]

Hey Scientist glad to see ya around was wondering when and if youd pop up.Well all that crap talkin and now I feel like an idiot.He has me testin new products so hell know what new stuff he wants to stock.Said he gives the stuff away all the time and no one ever gives him any solid feedback,so he asked me if he gave me the stuff to try if I could actually report back on it.Got the Bushmaster,Purple Maxx and Gravity to try plus a bunch of others that he may not stock anyway due to availability but they werent all that great anyway so no harm no foul.You must have got some too that liquid guano and magical stuff he had a bunch of it just I think who he got it from shut down or somthing cus he said no matter how much I liked it he wasnt getting it again so.And Relik I know what you mean about the foliar.Thats why I like it cus I can see the results sooner and know whats what due to how fast the plants eat through their leaves.And I didnt fry any babies just made some full grown pure sativas curl up and get the claw as some call it.But wow it also made em flower sooner and stay even with the garden canopy so Ill live with the claw.No offense taken,I like a good discussion as much as the next,sorry for hi jacking yer thread little solider.Hope the info helps you with the topic at hand.

 

[thescientist]

Yea see why I stuck up 4 him? He does do cool shit for people. Anyways have you tried nirvana?

 

[joe cool]

I am sorry if I sounded too critical, but if you look around at l-s's posts, I see alot of "I've added a massive amount of this and please help me, why don't my plants grow?". There seems to be no other explanation why something was added other than "I've got all this magic juice on my shelf and I just have to use it!"

l-s, check out jiggy's thread:

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=64919&page=1&pp=15

Jiggy is keeping things basic, asking relevant questions, and above all payng close attention to what the plant is telling him. Also would be good to read the stickies. The info there is excellent and based on experience. It just seems like you want to ignore all that stuff, l-s, because I don't see alot of organic growers making recommendations for random fertilizer appplications.

I'm just trying to help, sorry again if abrasive, but jeez, don't be adding all this stuff until you figure out the basics! Or ignore all above advice and keep doin what you're doin.

 

[little-soldier]

LOL you sound like my mother joe. I know why they dont grow and that was not my question anyway. I only wanted to know how to make sure my ladies wont eat all the stuff in the dirt and so I found out about sugar which is exactly the type of answer I wanted to hear. I think u need a spliff or somethin' to calm u down but Im not here to judge u anyways. I know transplanting will stunt them for a while so I was only looking for an alternative and now yall calling me a newb cause Its the first time I get this prob. Who says I havnt grew for yrs... Its only my first experience with blood and bone meal and I ****ed up so what, that doesnt make me a newbe, Im just a stoner thats all...

 

[jaykush]

start over with new soil mix

 

[joe cool]

Hey l-s sorry to sound like your mother, but I bet she gives good advice sometimes. Don't smoke no spliffs here but everything is calm anyways hangin with the blockhead.

Just trying to address your over-all problems, all with the best intentions. But, don't try to fool an old fart when making newbie mistakes.

If I was there to give you hands-on help I'd lock away all your nutes and magic juice and dole out a little guano, maybe a liquid fert for change-up, and that's about it, all at the appropriate times.

I'm not trying to be mean. Ask around for others advice and see what they say.