Too many plants?

[mspatient]

What would be the major concerns with growing 29 plants in 9 (5-gallon) buckets in a 3 x 3 hydrohut? They're bushy style with at least 5 main branches or so. Strain: Female Seeds Northern Light from seed, Light: air-cooled 1000w HPS, Air: CO2 Tank/Regulator/dehumidifier, Food: CNS17 with AN Carboload and AN Sweet Leaf and a little Budswel Guano for extra P in flowering.

I am aware of the possiblity of mold growth due to buds being too close together, but barring that misfourtune, is this idea going to lessen the yield, or should it all equal out to be about the same as if there was less plants that had vegged for longer(but with a higher number of smaller buds)? The plan would be to have less veg time due to having more plants, while still maxing out the yield. In theory it would allow you to have more top buds closer to the canopy, no?

I've heard it's stressful to put too many plants in a small area. Would this put you at risk for root rot, or bud rot or PH problems due to too many plants per bucket? The humidity and temps are under control air circulation is good. Is this idea an entire waste of seeds, time and electricity; or is it not so bad? What would be a good yield to expect for this setup? Also when you set your light to 12/12, is that exactly 12/12 or do you compensate for the minute or two it takes for the light to fade out all the way? Thanks.

 

[Frozenguy]

why twenty nine plants? its not equal?? and i dunno.. that is about 3 plants per bucket.. i would stay 3 plants per bucket max.. it shouldn't be a problem but i have no experience in multiple plants a 5gal tall bucket.. not much surface area.. I hope you can get enough oxygen to those roots.. might want side drainage.. fluffy mix..

 

[AlaskaGrows]

that will be alot of work, and u can only pull so much bud off of 1 light no matter how many plants u have in there, buds will be small on the plants with that many fighting for light! speaking from my experience! not worth the effort.

AG

 

[Guest]

here is 12 in more than double that footprint under the same wattage

 

[Guest]

I have 9(nine) plants in a 3x3 (39"x39") hut...and I think nine is about the limit for 39"x39", no matter what light you use.

I care for my plants individually. I take them out to water/feed them, groom them, etc....and it's crowded in there with nine. I considered nine 5 gallon pots, but rejected the idea. Think about how you are going to access the back row, even the middle row of plants. I have to be careful removing my 10" pots. 5 gallon pots with 3 bushy plants each??? That's just not a good idea IMO for a mini hydrohut.

Yield? You should be able to get 500-600 grams easy with 1000W and your setup...if you grow a good budding hybrid. You won't need 29 plants to do it either. Fewer than nine for sure. A lot would depend on what methos you used. A SCROG or SOG(with clones, not seed plants) grow might be more your thing.

Bottom line, I think you are making a mistake putting nine 5 gallon containers in there..unless they have one plant each. And 3 gallon is probably big enough for most strains. Your height is limited. No need for huge containers. If decide to grow nine or fewer plants, don't veg them too long. They'll grow into that 1000 watter before you know it. If me, I wouldn't let them veg bigger than 10-12" max. 12/12 from seed might be an option depending on strain. That will keep the height down.

12/12 timing is not that critical. You could have them at 11.5/12.5 12.5/11.5 More important is that you not have interruptions during the plants night cycle. Don't be peeking when they are sleeping.

luck

MT

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

What would be the major concerns with growing 29 plants in 9 (5-gallon) buckets in a 3 x 3 hydrohut? They're bushy style with at least 5 main branches or so. Strain: Female Seeds Northern Light from seed, Light: air-cooled 1000w HPS, Air: CO2 Tank/Regulator/dehumidifier, Food: CNS17 with AN Carboload and AN Sweet Leaf and a little Budswel Guano for extra P in flowering.

I am aware of the possiblity of mold growth due to buds being too close together, but barring that misfourtune, is this idea going to lessen the yield, or should it all equal out to be about the same as if there was less plants that had vegged for longer(but with a higher number of smaller buds)? The plan would be to have less veg time due to having more plants, while still maxing out the yield. In theory it would allow you to have more top buds closer to the canopy, no?

I've heard it's stressful to put too many plants in a small area. Would this put you at risk for root rot, or bud rot or PH problems due to too many plants per bucket? The humidity and temps are under control air circulation is good. Is this idea an entire waste of seeds, time and electricity; or is it not so bad? What would be a good yield to expect for this setup? Also when you set your light to 12/12, is that exactly 12/12 or do you compensate for the minute or two it takes for the light to fade out all the way? Thanks.

it depends on how you grow them.
if u veg for a short period you could get away with it.
3/4 small plants per bucket might not be a problem if you trip the larf off.
i hope u also know that a dehumidifyer might not be an option but a requirement if you plant on pulling this off right.
if you want to sog them it might not work as well as not toping but trimming the side branches so each plant consists of one, gigantic fat nugg. in the middle.


you also didnt mention growing medium???
soil coco RW?
you have a good sounding mix of nutes and it will work out if you watch your stuff.


does not sound like a waste, might provide you with alot of bud if u do it right. the thing is you need to sex the seedlings in small containers under floros before you put them in the same bucket. cutting out boys can be a mess, and leaving a rotting root system is less then ideal.

when most people do 12/12 we dont compinsate for a few min but more like a few hours. alot of people give 18, 24, even 36 hours of dark after end of veg before 12/12 to really initiate the flower cycle.

i myself run them at 10day/14night for the 2-3 days after 24h dark just to further clarify to the plants....ITS TIME TO FLOWER....
then back down to 12/12 for the rest of the time..

happy growing.

 

[Guest]

i personally run perpetual...it truly is the way to grow...im a primal slopy grower who still does pretty good...better than most..lol

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

i personally run perpetual...it truly is the way to grow...im a primal slopy grower who still does pretty good...better than most..lol

agreed perpetual is nice.

he could definately turn some excess branch into nice clones then go perpetual after these girls are done..

thats what i did. got my veging plants stacked right behind my flowers.
cloned off the seedlings.

 

[Guest]

12 in veg 12 in flower and 6 cuts keeps it real nice for me...if i add another 1000 watts well shit i will just veg longer...2 plants ready every month..two more go in it is the way to grow indoors in my humble opinion....peace

 

[mspatient]

Brainthor- Wow, is that thing twice as fat as that folgers can? Holy cow.
"Why not perpetual?"- IMO perpetual doesn't sound that cool.
FrozenGuy- "Why 29?"- Cause I figure 1 of 30 would probably die.
DigitalHappy- "grow medium?" what if it's pro-mix with added perlite and vermiculite.
"cutting out boys?"- that's where the feminized NL seeds would come in.
what if most of them were PIM'ed or topped and a handful were left untopped... and what if you trained them under a trellis style net, and then cut the net out a few weeks into flower so you can feed and trim etc...

Thanks for all the replies... Appreciated

 

[Guest]

perpetual gives me over a half pound every month sometimes a pound...thats really cool to me

 

[Guest]

I would not bother trying to jam in more than necessary. 29 plants from seeds is way too much. The net is not gonna help you here. If they where clones then ya sure, you can save a week of veg by cramming them. If you go ahead with this I would also recommend a dehumidifier and big powerfull fans to push air through the dense foliage. My opinion is that if you try to over do it often you will have problems with mold and bugs. Better keep it tidy and clean to get the most out of what is perfect.

My reccomendation is start your 30 seeds in 3 inch pots, then keep them in there untill they are root bound, then keep the best 9 and plant those in your 5 gallon buckets. Keep the other plants around in case something goes wrong. Then later on before putting them in flower, take clones off each plant, identify them to the plant and for the next batch use clones from the best 2 plants to start your 29 plant grow from clones. And if you want 29 plants, then make at least 60 clones. Then keep the best 29.

 

[Jack Crevalle]

.if you grow a good budding hybrid. You won't need 29 plants to do it either. Fewer than nine for sure. A lot would depend on what methos you used....

Bingo, newbies always think quantity will yield more, when in reality it's all about the veg size and lumens. For now I cram 8 under 2 600s side by side, I know people who put 50 under a 1000 watter and harvest way less than I do, and it's all popcorn or leafy..

IMO perpetual doesn't sound that cool.

Yeah, it's kinda like "swell" or "super" it's just a gay kinda word, I know...
and who the hell wants to have vegged plants ready to flower as soon as you harvest, and worse, why would anyone have clones, vegging plants, and flowering plants? oh yeah, smart growers who like to have a constant supply of fresh herbs..DOH!

 

[RottenDawg]

In 5 1/2" containers you can get up to 49 total in that area. Keen 'em 18" ish and you are maxed out. Using 5gal buckets there should only be 9 plants total for that area...........RD