Tom Hill Haze

[@hempy]

Hempy this is a Great observation on your part , Myself and Several others do Agree Posi Haze to be Different in Several Aspects. It's been spoke of for Some Time

Early as in Finishing time compared to the other Haze lines , Yes

I'm curious Considering your love of Thai and Recent findings with Tom's Haze line that's Thai Heavy .

In your Opinion How does it compare to the
Thai Heavy Haze Traits from Nevil ?

Both Haze Genetics both Thai leaning , Shouldn't the Thai in both lines come from the same source or be the exact line or Thai Clone from (Sams), soo they should have similarities

Something i don't believe has been touched on at All

I'm curious to hear All opinions ( Especially Thai lovers / Growers)

Considering POSI HAZE & Nevilles Haze's are Associated with Thai . Both coming from the same source . Possibly the same Thai Clone

What Traits produced are Soo SIMILAR or Soo Different ?

1luvbigherb

I have not grown Tom or PosI Haze, so I can't say how they smoke, but If I was to order seed in 2024 to grow out I would still order NH from Shanti, but I would also grow out Toms Haze they would be my picks.

They are very different Nevils Thai side are more like the Golli selected O Haze and more extreme in the running airy flower type, you see both the Colombian side along with the Thai side being express in the NH.

 

[@hempy]

No broad leaf from seed in MadMacs
ORIGINAL Repro

I think this was Original Haze before Thai was Added

They can start off as seedlings with broader leaf and still have broad leaf until they sex, then by the time that plant is in flower all the new leaf growth is now very narrow thin leaf and the plant then develops into a vine lanky beat of a sativa.

The early Haze had both Colombian and a Thai side this is the Thai side well into flower, flowered under 11/13 and will continue to flower like that.

The Colombian side is very different, and the picture posted of Haze19 or Toms Haze mom looks Colombian to me.

 

[@hempy]

The C Haze is 100% Thai lineage

The Haze C is to the Colombian side the Haze A and the first Female Nevil found in the 69 seed was also to the HzA side or Thai.

He has actually posted this.

 

[harvestreaper]

mango thai/laos

 

[bigherb]

what about the infamous A5T that simply used to be the A5, my guess is it was A5T much longer than just A5.....

Interesting thought with your vast experience

Brings me back to the Colombian vs Thai and which is longer flowering

The Respected IC Fam who has credibility and Association/ Experiences with Thai to mention a few off the Top

DM / Hempy Tom hill Etc. Much Respect as you 3 have been atleast innmy mind references i look dor Thai info

No disrespect just clear understanding of a actual timeline

I've asked in the past and recently about What year is the first time they smoked Thai weed . Well none have smoked late 60's / Early 70's Thai

Might be a bad comparison but it makes me laugh in theory . When I was shitted on for talking about Haze years later after it's inception and not soo long after Nevils Lines became popular i had my first experiences

I put myself in a similar place Of experiences 10 years later

How can anyone speak of something they didnt experience in present or personal context . Smoking Thai from yesteryear from 82 is very different to smoking Thai from 69

Well Bluebeard still Rings a bell , SamS is still around . GODBLESS BROTHER/ TRIPLE OG MTN NECTAR , old heads still around who've had first hand experiences

Who can speak on the late 60's Lumbos vs Late 60's Thai from first hand experience or from second Accounts

Old posts from me but on this topic

Colombia sits on the Equatorial, Thailand doesn't. Colombia has True Equatorial strains . I seen Reports of OLD Colombians flowering longer than Thais

Soo while A5T might flower longer than A5 , i couldn't Answer. But I believe Old Colombian Genetics to be longer flowering than old Thai

1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

They can start off as seedlings with broader leaf and still have broad leaf until they sex, then by the time that plant is in flower all the new leaf growth is now very narrow thin leaf and the plant then develops into a vine lanky beat of a sativa.

The early Haze had both Colombian and a Thai side this is the Thai side well into flower, flowered under 11/13 and will continue to flower like that.

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The Colombian side is very different, and the picture posted of Haze19 or Toms Haze mom looks Colombian to me.

Hempy this is the problem with your post

Your a well known OG member, people take your word well some as Truth especially the Youngin

What do you know about early Haze ?

You Never grew Original Haze

Not a old or a recent offering

 

[harvestreaper]

first thai weed i smoked in dam was around 83/4 and it was good got some so called acapulco gold to which was also good had the same ag in london few years later and also much more recently the ag from bsc matched the terps and effects of the previous ones i have no idea if any were similar to weed from acapulco

wacky weed a plant so powerful when users breed the lowest yeilding plant possible they think its a special one lol

 

[Stoneguru]

Interesting thought with your vast experience

Brings me back to the Colombian vs Thai and which is longer flowering

The Respected IC Fam who has credibility and Association/ Experiences with Thai to mention a few off the Top

DM / Hempy Tom hill Etc. Much Respect as you 3 have been atleast innmy mind references i look dor Thai info

No disrespect just clear understanding of a actual timeline

I've asked in the past and recently about What year is the first time they smoked Thai weed . Well none have smoked late 60's / Early 70's Thai

Might be a bad comparison but it makes me laugh in theory . When I was shitted on for talking about Haze years later after it's inception and not soo long after Nevils Lines became popular i had my first experiences

I put myself in a similar place Of experiences 10 years later

How can anyone speak of something they didnt experience in present or personal context . Smoking Thai from yesteryear from 82 is very different to smoking Thai from 69

Well Bluebeard still Rings a bell , SamS is still around . GODBLESS BROTHER/ TRIPLE OG MTN NECTAR , old heads still around who've had first hand experiences

Who can speak on the late 60's Lumbos vs Late 60's Thai from first hand experience or from second Accounts

Old posts from me but on this topic

Colombia sits on the Equatorial, Thailand doesn't. Colombia has True Equatorial strains . I seen Reports of OLD Colombians flowering longer than Thais

Soo while A5T might flower longer than A5 , i couldn't Answer. But I believe Old Colombian Genetics to be longer flowering than old Thai

1luvbigherb

I agree with all of this statement on many levels and it aligns with all of my experience in breeding ans testing my own work so far.

These names of whole countries as a cannabis type encompass within them tremendous cultural diversity and biomes located with in hubs of international exchange during volatile periods.

This is like putting together a hobo stew that gets remade every season with its new ingredients and calling it a carrot soup or a broccoli soup to describe a country or a decade.

No one can possibly agree nor ever will and everyone will be both right and wrong according to the limits of their own experiences.

The batch number or asseccion of haze is more important than then the genetics themselves. I can completely transform a haze line without ever leaving my own work and have.

What I describe out of the original 5haze only has relevance to me and those who ran it or had it. One move after that and it becomes a whole different thing.

The only way forward is to select accordingly and share the experience. I believe Nevil was very organized and had isolations that he would then be readily able to create any type in recombination before the collections were all mishandled.

I come from the perspective that everyone is both correct and incorrect. The way to answer questions is with actions. I have had many theories I pursued. Some stood the vetting and others didn't. Both success and failure are of equal value.

 

[bigherb]

I have not grown Tom or PosI Haze, so I can't say how they smoke, but If I was to order seed in 2024 to grow out I would still order NH from Shanti, but I would also grow out Toms Haze they would be my picks.

My best response is Grow what makes you Happy

They are very different Nevils Thai side are more like the Golli selected O Haze and more extreme in the running airy flower type, you see both the Colombian side along with the Thai side being express in the NH.

Soo this Thia Conversation was your time to shine

The first words are Nevils Thai Side is like Golli .
How did you come to this conclusion you haven't grown Golli Haze or a hybrid of it

Soo the NH/ NL5HAZE is Extremely Airy as Golli Haze aka Colombian . That's interesting

Toms line has many differences to Nevilles Haze. You should have been able to spot them all in a nutshell . I won't attempt to dive again as ive stated my observation more than once with Heavy Negativity

Tom dislikes the Dutch Haze as he calls it Aka The boring Lumbo with the Familar Scent many know and love . He dislikes , Soo we shouldn't expect- WE meaning Newbies to find similar traits in common with both lines

After Growing All 3 lines mentioned in my minimal experience

My observation is Tom Haze is not as extreme as Extreme Haze phenos in Nevils Haze . But Posi Haze is not extreme by far in comparison to Golli / JC Seedsman Haze

Soo with the common theme of Thai being such a long flowering Type and Posi Haze being Thai Dom

Simple Question

Why do we see such a large percentage of shorter flowering, / broadleaf / compact flower Phenos from the
Thai Dom - Posi Haze ?

1luvbigherb

 

[harvestreaper]

also worth mentioning regarding haze crosses back then in 80s there was little to no competition now theres a bunch of hazes released i can only see things getting better

 

[@hempy]

Hempy this is the problem with your post

Your a well known OG member, people take your word well some as Truth especially the Youngin

What do you know about early Haze ?

You Never grew Original Haze

Not a old or a recent offering

You keep saying I haven't grown a pure a Haze and yet my NH take 19 weeks or over to flower I have documented all my grows and I have grown pure sativas since 1979.

You and others act like Haze is something pure, it's not I never grew the Flying Dutchman's Haze or SSSC or other people's Haze as Nevils Haze was far superior.

 

[@hempy]

Soo this Thia Conversation was your time to shine

The first words are Nevils Thai Side is like Golli .
How did you come to this conclusion you haven't grown Golli Haze or a hybrid of it

Soo the NH/ NL5HAZE is Extremely Airy as Golli Haze aka Colombian . That's interesting

Toms line has many differences to Nevilles Haze. You should have been able to spot them all in a nutshell . I won't attempt to dive again as ive stated my observation more than once with Heavy Negativity

Tom dislikes the Dutch Haze as he calls it Aka The boring Lumbo with the Familar Scent many know and love . He dislikes , Soo we shouldn't expect- WE meaning Newbies to find similar traits in common with both lines

After Growing All 3 lines mentioned in my minimal experience

My observation is Tom Haze is not as extreme as Extreme Haze phenos in Nevils Haze . But Posi Haze is not extreme by far in comparison to Golli / JC Seedsman Haze

Soo with the common theme of Thai being such a long flowering Type and Posi Haze being Thai Dom

Simple Question

Why do we see such a large percentage of shorter flowering, / broadleaf / compact flower Phenos from the
Thai Dom - Posi Haze ?

1luvbigherb

Tom does prefer the Thai side over the Colombian, and so do I, but I don't believe the Colombian is a boring high, it's just a different type of high. That's the great thing about Haze, you can find both.

Anyone that has grown up back in the day growing and smoking the old Thais and the old Colombians know the differences in looks and affects they each have, and the differences are huge. You can't compare the old Thais and Colombians to what is found in those locations today.

You can find extreme Haze in Toms seed but yes you also find fast ones too.

We need to look at Haze in a simple form and not overcomplicate it, what I mean by that is all Haze came from the same sauce.

The early 90s Haze and modern days Haze are different because a key part of that is Haze has evolved and depending on who's Haze we're talking about here it's either some generations or many generations from where it started.

 

[@hempy]

This is one of Toms Haze Plants, this plant's at 22 weeks of Flower in the pic and looks nowhere near ready.

This is the Thai side and what I keep telling people, the Thai side looks like the same as you see in the HzA side and in Gillis.

 

[Raco]

THH grown outdoors and harvested in the 2nd week of December

 

[Raco]

THH 08 young P1 male ...indoors

OT1s Hz #1cut grown and flowered indoors and finished under natural light...January 5th...