Tobacco price

[GMT]

This is ridiculous now. Sainsbury's are charging £27.30 for 30g of tobacco. This is unaffordable for most of us, esp since I smoke 15g a day. There must be an alternative to this madness. I'm just venting here, but what would they do if they lost all that tax revenue and we all actually quit like they say they want us to? How much would they have to put income tax up by to replace that income? It's like petrol is 90% tax, what would they do if everyone actually moved to electric cars?

Check this out, 200g in Andorra is cheaper that 30g in UK

Pueblo 200G

www.les1000pipes.com

Trouble is they won't ship it, you have to go there. We need group day trips organising. Flights are pricey, and no idea how far out airports etc are. There has to be something we can do though to shove this tax back up the chancellor's arse.

Ideas? Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

 

[bigsur51]

can you grow your own?

 

[Cvh]

I wanted to post the same. I might do a thread about it next year. But growing your own is very possible and not difficult.

Store bought tobacco consist mostly about a mix of 3 varieties: Virginia, Burley and an Oriental variety (in a 60:30:10 mixture).

A good forum is: fairtradetobacco
And a good book is: Grow Your Own Cigars: Growing, Curing and Finishing Tobacco at Home
Book by Robert C. A. Goff
(It's also one of the admins of that forum. And no, it's about growing tobacco, curing it and etc not just about cigars)

 

[Rastafarout]

Yes I did this you got to give yourself a 2-3 yr head start though so it can cure … golden Virginia grows lush here in the Shires

it isn’t as strong as bought , but that could be phenos or not curing long enough or sun strength
But it’s very smokable say friends and family , I don’t do baccy myself

It’s been 2yrs and the first bits only curing now ( you smell it getting stronger )

 

[Cvh]

Indeed, Virginia isn't strong, it's more of the base of a Tobacco. It's the Burley and the Orientals that bring the strength and the flavour.

 

[CaptainLucky]

This is ridiculous now. Sainsbury's are charging £27.30 for 30g of tobacco. This is unaffordable for most of us, esp since I smoke 15g a day. There must be an alternative to this madness. I'm just venting here, but what would they do if they lost all that tax revenue and we all actually quit like they say they want us to? How much would they have to put income tax up by to replace that income? It's like petrol is 90% tax, what would they do if everyone actually moved to electric cars?

Check this out, 200g in Andorra is cheaper that 30g in UK

Pueblo 200G

www.les1000pipes.com

Trouble is they won't ship it, you have to go there. We need group day trips organising. Flights are pricey, and no idea how far out airports etc are. There has to be something we can do though to shove this tax back up the chancellor's arse.

Ideas? Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

15 dollars U.S. for generic pack of cigarettes in the City of Chicago. CL

 

[ahortator]

This is ridiculous now. Sainsbury's are charging £27.30 for 30g of tobacco. This is unaffordable for most of us, esp since I smoke 15g a day. There must be an alternative to this madness. I'm just venting here, but what would they do if they lost all that tax revenue and we all actually quit like they say they want us to? How much would they have to put income tax up by to replace that income? It's like petrol is 90% tax, what would they do if everyone actually moved to electric cars?

Check this out, 200g in Andorra is cheaper that 30g in UK

Pueblo 200G

www.les1000pipes.com

Trouble is they won't ship it, you have to go there. We need group day trips organising. Flights are pricey, and no idea how far out airports etc are. There has to be something we can do though to shove this tax back up the chancellor's arse.

Ideas? Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

Grow it yourself! It is very easy, even more than weed. Drying and curing is a bit more difficult.
The only problem is that usually tobacco smokers are so used to chemically poisoned commercial tobacco, they systematically reject growing themselves.

 

[Lumpy-Gravy]

Nearly £40 for a 50 grammer …. This is my last pouch and I’m going on niccy replacement. Tobacco tax is over £12 on a 30g pouch and then your 17.5% Value Added Tax I imagine. Minus tax a pouch of baccy probably works out at about a fiver. I’m done. The government spunk all our taxes on wank like covid response and the worlds waifs and strays. I’ll go with out. I’m poor as fuck so god only knows why I keep throwing my money at the 600 n odd bellends in Westminster

 

[tobedetermined]

15 dollars U.S. for generic pack of cigarettes in the City of Chicago. CL

I was driving 100 miles roundtrip to buy tax free cartons at an indigenous reserve before I finally quit in the fall. The huge tax savings easily paid for the gas - which I could also buy tax free on the reserve. Technically, it was only for the indigenous but they did a whopping business selling to anybody & everybody . . . With a casino just down the road and a Tim Horton's coffee shop . . .

Some reserves also do great business selling grey market cannabis as well but unfortunately not the closest one . . .

 

[Chuckeye]

As a Cdn senior trying to live on a pension I found buying tobacco leaves from https://www.leafonly.com/index.php is an option. They ship world wide.

Leaves are considered unprocessed and not subject to the normal cigarette/tobacco taxes !

Less than $20 Cdn for a pound of leaves, I remove the stems and shred them myself.

Shredder is ~$175

Some silliness.....

As I understand it the Canadian Virginia flue cured tobacco is grown in BC, wholesaled by a company in Sask and shipped to a retailer in the states.

Then I purchase it and it is shipped back to Canada

The shipping on 12 lbs of leaves is a whopping $132 Cdn but total cost is ~$450 and will last me 5 - 6 months !

Store bought shredded tobacco is ~ $400/month !

Cheers

 

[GMT]

The penalty for growing weed is less than the penalty for growing tobacco here. It's considered tax evasion, which they throw the book at you for. Frankly it's better to grow more weed and sell it to pay the tax to the govt. from a penalty point of view. I also don't have 3 years to cure the stuff. Think of how big a stash you'd need to get through 3 years worth of smoking.

Legally you can bring back 2kg ie. 2000g of duty free tobacco into the UK.

2000g divided by 30g packs is 66.6 packs.
66.6 packs times £27.30 is £1,818.18.

In Andorra the price is €27.70 per 200g.
€ to £ conversion is £0.86 per euro.
So that's €27.70 times £0.86 = £ 23.82 per 200g
Or £238.20 per 2kg.

£1,818.18 minus £238.20 equals a legal saving of £1,579.98.
Flight cost (cheapest day return with a few hours for transport, and getting there in time for flights etc is less than £200. Let's say another £100 for taxis and tips, that's a travel cost of £300 all in.

£1580 minus £300 still leaves a saving of nearly £1300 per trip. With the added benefit of a day out, and putting two fingers up to the chancellor.

I'm telling you, UK smokers need to organise ourselves for a day out.

Total cost less than £550, total saving well over £1,200.

 

[GMT]

oooo chuckeye, I will look into this for the UK, but that could save me some flight time, thanks

 

[CaptainLucky]

I was driving 100 miles roundtrip to buy tax free cartons at an indigenous reserve before I finally quit in the fall. The huge tax savings easily paid for the gas - which I could also buy tax free on the reserve. Technically, it was only for the indigenous but they did a whopping business selling to anybody & everybody . . . With a casino just down the road and a Tim Horton's coffee shop . . .

Some reserves also do great business selling grey market cannabis as well but unfortunately not the closest one . . .

I’m gonna have to start driving to Indiana, the price is like 10 bucks a carton for generic. CL

 

[Dime]

I was driving 100 miles roundtrip to buy tax free cartons at an indigenous reserve before I finally quit in the fall. The huge tax savings easily paid for the gas - which I could also buy tax free on the reserve. Technically, it was only for the indigenous but they did a whopping business selling to anybody & everybody . . . With a casino just down the road and a Tim Horton's coffee shop . . .

Some reserves also do great business selling grey market cannabis as well but unfortunately not the closest one . . .

We have reserves in my area, cartons are $55,they also sell weed $5 a gram and up,edibles,extractions, clones, and gasoline . Taxed cigs hit $150 a carton off the reserve. Most people I know grow their own so there isn't much of a market for weed anymore.The Natives are keeping the government prices down.A Native shop down the road from where I work has been raided many times, 3 times in one week a few summers ago and they are open the next day. They have ATV,cars,and cash etc lottos for shopping there as incentive as well.More power to them,they are operating within their treaty boundries and the government has been screwing them and non natives over forever anyway so I support them .

 

[tobedetermined]

’m gonna have to start driving to Indiana, the price is like 10 bucks a carton for generic. CL

When I was still doing the road warrior bit, I always used to stop @ JR in Burlington, NC and bring back some crazy cheap Winstons.

 

[Hmong]

what would they do if everyone actually moved to electric cars?

taxing electricity with 90% ...

 

[William76]

Morrisons has riverstone or kensitas club for 27 for 50 grams,76

 

[GMT]

But are they organic, no chems, or just the cheapest tobacco out there? The chems added to tobacco are far more harmful than the tobacco itself.

Oh I messaged that leaf only place to see if they are aware of any issues shipping to the UK. I'll let everyone know if I find anything out.

 

[Piff Rhys Jones]

This is ridiculous now. Sainsbury's are charging £27.30 for 30g of tobacco. This is unaffordable for most of us, esp since I smoke 15g a day. There must be an alternative to this madness. I'm just venting here, but what would they do if they lost all that tax revenue and we all actually quit like they say they want us to? How much would they have to put income tax up by to replace that income? It's like petrol is 90% tax, what would they do if everyone actually moved to electric cars?

Check this out, 200g in Andorra is cheaper that 30g in UK

Pueblo 200G

www.les1000pipes.com

Trouble is they won't ship it, you have to go there. We need group day trips organising. Flights are pricey, and no idea how far out airports etc are. There has to be something we can do though to shove this tax back up the chancellor's arse.

Ideas? Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

Wouldn’t taking a ferry to Ireland and back to stock up duty free work?

Peace

 

[GMT]

Oh, is that a thing? Ireland's very close, I bet easyJet Liverpool to Dublin is almost free. I get sea sick on ferries .