Tobacco Illegal

[Ganico]

So now you can't smoke in bars here at all! BARS!
Grocery stores? Makes sense. Gas Stations? Not as much, but i can live with that. Restaraunts? Where's the damn smoking section? BARS? I absolutely do not understand or accept that, that's just insane.

But yeah, apparently now it's against the law everywhere here supposedly. This ain't Cali! This is the ****ing south, people can make a living from tobacco in the south, but you just can't smoke it anywhere except in your car or house? What the ****?

Over half the population here smokes, for real.


I guess I ended up quitting cigarettes at a really good time. Except I still am gonna smoke my cigars, and I will REALLY not be able to smoke them in public now for real. Won't even be able to go to lunch at the grill, and then enjoy a drink and a cigar after my meal! What the ****?

 

[b8man]

I don't like it when i'm eating and someone is smoking around me. But the way they've clamped down on smokers is extreme.

The problem is, nobody cared for the rights of the smoker as they were being rubbed out. Now the government has set a precedent of banning things that are bad for you. So what's next? Sugar, porn, computer games, violent films, fatty foods?

I personally don't appreciate a mass polluter, murderer and chief profiteer of an oil war telling me that smoking cigarettes is bad for me. You don't want us to look for stress relief? Then stop causing so much god-damn stress!

And FFS - Censoring every picture or scene with cigarettes in them is not discouraging the youth to smoke; it's defacing art! Someone needs to hang for making that move.

 

[smellthefunk420]

at restaurants, I'd be pissed if some guy beside me was puffing cigarette.. I don't smoke a big joint next to his family (and I wouldn't out of respect) even though it'd be a better choice imo

in a bar / club ect.. It should not be banned.. alcohol and tobacco, the two government crutches, I guess they should go together.

If I'm not comfortable going to a bar with smoke in the air, I simply wouldn't go. I think a restaurant is a different story

 

[Ganico]

That's why there's smoking and non-smoking sections at restaurants though. That's the whole point! Using that their logic they should make a law that says you can't paint your nails in restaurants cause the fumes might bother other people.

It should be up to the individual business if they allow smoking or not, not a state ****ing law that says you can't smoke in any restaurants or bars, or basically anywhere except your car or your house. You can smoke on the street, but you're not supposed to throw down your cigarette butts,haha. So that's kind of a catch-22

 

[smellthefunk420]

That's why there's smoking and non-smoking sections at restaurants though. That's the whole point! Using that their logic they should make a law that says you can't paint your nails in restaurants cause the fumes might bother other people.

It should be up to the individual business if they allow smoking or not, not a state ****ing law that says you can't smoke in any restaurants or bars, or basically anywhere except your car or your house. You can smoke on the street, but you're not supposed to throw down your cigarette butts,haha. So that's kind of a catch-22

most buffets I used to go to, had a thin smoking line, usually a thin glass wall which went up 3 feet ect.. didn't really help


Bars/clubs should be allowed in my opinion, family restaurants... defiantly another deal imo.... what restaurant owners would choose no smoking? some vegan tofu bar????

with some cities 40-60% of the people smoking, they cannot afford to say no smoking (if legal)

peace

 

[Ganico]

All they need is vent fans over the smoking section. I've never been in an actual restaurant polluted with smoke from the smoking section

Now, maybe in a little BBQ shack or something. But nobody is gonna give a damn about you smoking in one of them anyway. Probably be considered more rude to ask you not to smoke, haha

 

[blackone]

Agreed, in Denmark non-smoking laws were also enacted this year. You're still allowed to make smoking sections, but I think they have to be closed and without service.

I also think this is a stroke against individual freedom. Since bars and restaurants are private property it should be up to the owners if they want to allow people to smoke or not.

 

[420inprogress]

The homeowners association of the townhouse complex I live in voted to ban smoking inside of the units, 59 votes for, all against me, because I casted the lone nea vote... But incense/candles are still allowed...

Farked up or what?!?

BTW...state I live in banned smoking in restaurants, bars, and other enclosed places...and when we smoke outside, we have to be at least 20 feet from any entrance or exit, common walkway, and/or place where people congregate...

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

It sounds easy, just vent the damn non-smoking section, but in reality it doesn't work like that. Ventilators and A/C:s just mill the air around, smoke free sections next to smoker sections are rarely smoke-free, and you can't rebuild every greasy joint between here and there to fit the ban.
The Apartheid system between smokers and non-smokers has been on for about a decade in both Europe and the US/Canada, and since it doesn't work they scrapped it.
I'm not particularly in favor of bans, but here's my take on the no-tobacco wave passing through the western world.

Those of us that remembers the 60's and the 70's, when tobacco smokers ruled and smoking was glorified in society, might be more inclined to consider today's close to zero-tolerance attitude as a civilisation advance.
Then, most places were off-limit to people allergic or sensitive to tobacco smoke. I'm not just talking bars and restaurants (which apparently seem like 'natural' places to smoke in), but most work places, personel rooms, public buildings, supermarkets, hospitals, cinemas etc. Smokers could smoke wherever they wanted, to the extent they wanted, and they did. You couldn't just walk up to someone and say "hey, do you mind not smoking because I've got asthma?", because in a situation where a majority of people were smoking, they would just ignore you or laugh at you if you tried to make them stop. The smoking ban imposed itself gradually when science found out that those ignored non-smokers actually died from passive smoking (not to talk about the smokers themselves).

There are some basic, ethic laws that society shouldn't **** with. If I want to smoke a joint, or a cigarette, on my own, then it is a matter between me and my conscience and no one else.
If on the other hand my smoke creates nuiscance to others, then common sense says I go somewhere where I bother no one if I want to do what I want to do. Pot smokers knows what it's like to smoke clandestinly, now it's time for tobacco smokers to experience it. It won't kill ya. At least you won't get arrested and have your civil rights deprived for doing so.
Any tobacco smoker that is hooked on the tar-sticks to the extent that he/she cannot sit through a meal or a stay in a public building without a smoke should seriously concider his/her dependence.

 

[SensimillaWolf]

since smoke is harmful, it makes sense that a smoker shouldn't smoke around non smokers. if laws are designed to protect non-smokers, rather than restrict the rights of people to do what they want to their bodies, then I think the laws are justified.

 

[qwerty]

Pot smokers knows what it's like to smoke clandestinly, now it's time for tobacco smokers to experience it. It won't kill ya.
Any tobacco smoker that is hooked on the tar-sticks to the extent that he/she cannot sit through a meal or a stay in a public building without a smoke should seriously consider his/her dependence.

Right on.

 

[Guest]

There are some basic, ethic laws that society shouldn't **** with. If I want to smoke a joint, or a cigarette, on my own, then it is a matter between me and my conscience and no one else.
If on the other hand my smoke creates nuiscance to others, then common sense says I go somewhere where I bother no one if I want to do what I want to do. Pot smokers knows what it's like to smoke clandestinly, now it's time for tobacco smokers to experience it. It won't kill ya. At least you won't get arrested and have your civil rights deprived for doing so.
Any tobacco smoker that is hooked on the tar-sticks to the extent that he/she cannot sit through a meal or a stay in a public building without a smoke should seriously concider his/her dependence.

exactly! As an individual who has been allergic to smoke and tobacco their entire life, laws like this make public places much more tolerable. Before laws like this were enacted here, if I spent the night at the bar, I'd be sick for 3-4 days afterwards. Have some common courtesy and have a little more respect for other peoples health! If you get to smoke in public, I get to sneeze in your face, deal?

 

[East Valley]

I just love when I am eating somewhere, I have paid good money to enjoy the food, but all I can taste is a ****ing ash tray because someones blowing smoke around.




ok so I stole that line from Big Trouble.

 

[Harry Gypsna]

smokers are nw second class citizens.....i pay around 85 percent tax in a pack of cigs, but now i cant sjpoke anywhere....shit bus shelters are even considered "An enclosed area" now..... My dad drives a truck, and he isnt allowed to smoke in there now as its a work vehicle-even though hes the only one who uses it(the law not company policy)
Start travelling to buy cigarrettes from cheaper places....
UK'ers no matter what HM customs and excise tell you, you have the right to brong in as many cigs or booze as you like from europe(ie day trip to calais) u just have to conform that they are for personal use. They may try to say that what you have couldnt possibly be personal use but if you threaten getting a solicitor they will usually stop botherin you. **** paying 85 percent tax on em and then be not allowed to smoke anywhere, and be told you cant get medical treatment unless you quit(evn though cigrette taxes pay 8 billion pounds every year into the NHS and is the largest single area of NHS funding) I reckon if a bar or nightclub wants to ban smoking fine, and all the non smokers can go there but making it the law is bull. Even private mebers clubs...its ****ery
EDIT im getting f u c k i n g sick of this swearword f u c k i n g censorship theres no f u c k i n g need for it

 

[Guest]

smokers are nw second class citizens.....i pay around 85 percent tax in a pack of cigs, but now i cant sjpoke anywhere....shit bus shelters are even considered "An enclosed area" now..... My dad drives a truck, and he isnt allowed to smoke in there now as its a work vehicle-even though hes the only one who uses it(the law not company policy)
Start travelling to buy cigarrettes from cheaper places....
UK'ers no matter what HM customs and excise tell you, you have the right to brong in as many cigs or booze as you like from europe(ie day trip to calais) u just have to conform that they are for personal use. They may try to say that what you have couldnt possibly be personal use but if you threaten getting a solicitor they will usually stop botherin you. **** paying 85 percent tax on em and then be not allowed to smoke anywhere, and be told you cant get medical treatment unless you quit(evn though cigrette taxes pay 8 billion pounds every year into the NHS and is the largest single area of NHS funding) I reckon if a bar or nightclub wants to ban smoking fine, and all the non smokers can go there but making it the law is bull. Even private mebers clubs...its ****ery
EDIT im getting f u c k i n g sick of this swearword f u c k i n g censorship theres no f u c k i n g need for it

our government is so ****ed up on tobacco ,,growing over 10 tobacco plants must be declared to hm customs for taxation

 

[7ate9]

I'm really glad this thread isn't one sided.

I hate cigarette smoke, it smells so incredibly bad! Not only that but it is cancerous! Why the hell would people do that if they know exactly what it does to you? And I really don't need some cancerous smoked blown in my face! I use to work at a restaurant where the bar was in the middle of the freakin place! Man did I have to meet some angry customers.

 

[Tarkus]

I hate to be a dick about it, but....ahhhh, poor wittle cigarette smokers.
I am glad it is becoming more common that you can't smoke inside. I love it! Having grown up in a house constantly filled with smoke, every restaurant I go to has 80% of customers smoking in it, plus my parents wafting it around our table, has pissed me off greatly. Ya'll have a choice whether or not to smoke your cancerettes, but if I don't wanna smoke and you do, I am still having to deal with it. I hate the smell of cig smoke, always have always will. I am glad I can finally go to a place to grub and not have the stench of smoke hanging around, or listening to people hack and cough.
Grocery Stores? Cool, It would be lame if a wonderful smelling place like the bakery stunk of cigarette butts. Gas Stations? Um, with all them gas fumes floatin' around, it's really a judgment call (and common sense), but if you catch on fire while holding a cig, I'll just laugh. Bars? Well, I don't go to bars, never will. If I did though, I would be damn mad if it was full of smoke.
Some bars should allow smoking though, like if there are two bars near each other one should be the smoking one and the other one not be.
But seriously, if the cigarette smokers can't sit through a meal or a drink without smoking, then I just think it is all the funnier. My mom is a major addict, and she can't sit through a 5 minute car ride without lighting up. Personally, I find it pathetic yet funny.
Not every place should ban it though, I agree with that. Just the majority of places. Ya'll have an option to smoke, but second smokers don't.

It would be different if cigarettes weren't deadly and it was joints we are talking about. But I would never spark a doobie in a friend's house that didn't smoke, or even in the same room really. Common courtesy. Just go outside....it's prettier out there anyway.

 

[7ate9]

Well said Tarkus!

At my school everybody smokes like there is no tomorrow! There are groups of smokers just standing in the middle of the walkway everywhere and then you have the occasional speed walker that is just crushing their cig as they walk.

At the other campus that is much much smaller, it has some really nice wooden screened in thing with a door *don't know what they are called* but it's circular and has a bench inside, but those are the designated smoke spots so you don't have to be subjected to that crap.

 

[Ganico]

Yes, let's all just change the culture overnight. **** it, we'll wake up tomorrow with new arbitrary rules. Next week we'll ban pumping gas without a "gas pump bag" wrapped around the pump, cause someone might inhale second hand gas fumes from you pumping gas

And we'll not let people drink soda inside, cause they might get gas from the carbonation and that'd bother someone else. So no soda drinking during meals either.

You know, cause of all the things to just up and completely change society for, cigarettes are sure the most important issue, huh? There's never been anything else of that importance, obviously.

 

[7ate9]

Yes, let's all just change the culture overnight. **** it, we'll wake up tomorrow with new arbitrary rules. Next week we'll ban pumping gas without a "gas pump bag" wrapped around the pump, cause someone might inhale second hand gas fumes from you pumping gas

And we'll not let people drink soda inside, cause they might get gas from the carbonation and that'd bother someone else. So no soda drinking during meals either.

You know, cause of all the things to just up and completely change society for, cigarettes are sure the most important issue, huh? There's never been anything else of that importance, obviously.

ROFL when the hell did smoking cigarettes become cultural? It's pretty sad how the smokers that are effected can't even see the logic in it...