Three Pointed Leaves?

[Grey Wolf]

Greetings all, my 5 plants all have only 3 pointed leaves. They stretched quite a lot before I got them under proper lights. The bud sites on them don't seem to be developing, and the hairs have turned brown. The leaves are growing well but that's about all. Any info would be most welcome, as I am thinking of scrapping them, and starting again from new seeds. By the way they are on 18/6 lighting.
Thanks in advance......
Grey Wolf...........

 

[Floridian]

Are they from a cutting taken in flower?I would scrap it sounds unproductive

 

[DrFever]

you would be surprised at what a plant like this can become personally let it grow it will correct it self could very well be a cutting taken in flowering phase but after some time it will revert back to veg state and you will have a nice plant

 

[SeaMaiden]

Whenever you see cannabis that isn't forming the usual number of lobes on the leaves it's a sign of hormonal confusion that is caused by interruption of the dark phase of the photoperiod.

In other words, re-vegging.

 

[Floridian]

I've heard that if you are patient plants like that can become very bushy but it takes some time.I'm curious was this a cutting or seedplant?I've never seen this from a seedplant

 

[Grey Wolf]

Three Pointed leaves!

Three Pointed leaves!

Thanks for your info everybody!
The plants are not cuttings, they were all grown from seeds. They stood on the window shelf for sometime, before I had set up my grow room. During this time they stretched quite a lot, and had to be supported. Today I have noticed that there are some new white hairs on some of them. I now have set the lighting to 24 hours, in hope that they may become normal. Interested in any more words of wisdom, from the outside world!!
Thanks
Grey Wolf.............

 

[s00thsayer]

how about some pics?

 

[Ohmless]

I have an "LA confidential" that has three lobes when I take cuts from it. the babies seem fine though.

 

[whiteberrieS]

you need 12/12 lighting to flower. 18/6 for veg. if they popped pistils with white hairs in 18/6 and then the hairs turned brown, the plants are rootbound and should be transplanted to bigger pots, vegged another week on 18/6 and then the lights need flipped to 12/12 for flowering. Hope this helps. Good luck

 

[TribalSeeds]

Whenever you see cannabis that isn't forming the usual number of lobes on the leaves it's a sign of hormonal confusion that is caused by interruption of the dark phase of the photoperiod.

In other words, re-vegging.

I had this happen with the plants Im growing now and Im 100% it wasnt a light leak. They were in a tent inside of a room without any light at all.
I still havent figured out anything though, I had so many problems at once I just gave up and let the plants do their thing.

 

[SeaMaiden]

I didn't say light leak, I said hormonal confusion. All you have to do is change the dark portion of the photoperiod sufficiently, or interrupt it sufficiently, to cause this to occur.

Once I understood how light turns hormone switches on and off, and how photoperiodism works in flowering plants, it all suddenly made sense.

 

[Hank Hemp]

STOP changing the light cycle around. Listen to SeaMaiden.

 

[GMT]

either whiteberries hit the nail, or you have pollen flying around.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Pollen causes reduction of lobe count on cannabis leaves..? That's a new one for me.

 

[Grey Wolf]

Three Pointed leaves!

Three Pointed leaves!

Thanks to ya'll for your input!!
Have new white hairs appearing, and have now turned lights from 24/0 to 12/12. I hope that this makes some difference??
Thanks again everyone...........
Grey Wolf...........

 

[TribalSeeds]

I didn't say light leak, I said hormonal confusion. All you have to do is change the dark portion of the photoperiod sufficiently, or interrupt it sufficiently, to cause this to occur.

Once I understood how light turns hormone switches on and off, and how photoperiodism works in flowering plants, it all suddenly made sense.

Most of the clones at the shop I got them from had some 3 bladed leaves but mine kept putting them off.
So even just switching to 12/12 can cause something like that if the plant isnt healthy? Does it already have to be flowering? I was vegging at the time and didnt start flower for almost 2 months. Ive switched photoperiods several times since from 24/0, 20/4, 18/6, 12/12 and believe it or not 24/12 was used while my plants were switching to flower but werent uptaking water. Luckily nothing like that has happened since they were clones.

 

[GMT]

Pollen causes reduction of lobe count on cannabis leaves..? That's a new one for me.

it does turn white pistils brown though.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Most of the clones at the shop I got them from had some 3 bladed leaves but mine kept putting them off.
So even just switching to 12/12 can cause something like that if the plant isnt healthy? Does it already have to be flowering? I was vegging at the time and didnt start flower for almost 2 months. Ive switched photoperiods several times since from 24/0, 20/4, 18/6, 12/12 and believe it or not 24/12 was used while my plants were switching to flower but werent uptaking water. Luckily nothing like that has happened since they were clones.

Mmm... ok, how best to explain what happens? Ok, flowering plants typically have two modes of growth, vegetative, and regenarative (flowering, sexual reproduction mode). Vegetative vs regenerative growth is regulated by hormones, and those hormones are triggered by the photoperiod; i.e. light and dark periods of the 24hr day phase.

With me so far?

It is established that cannabis' flowering is photoperiod-triggered, and we also happen to know that cannabis' flowering is triggered when it receives a sufficiently long, or enough of a change in the DARK phase of the photoperiod.
<praying that this is making sense>
SO! That means that changes in the dark phase of the photoperiod will cause the plant to put out different hormones, flowering hormones, based on what it senses as the photoperiod, which is based on DARK.

And that then means that all one needs to do, all that needs to occur to cause a FLOWERING plant to believe that it's supposed to be in a vegetative phase as opposed to regenerative is for the dark portion of the photoperiod to either be shortened significantly (look to your lighting schedules) or interrupted. How long an interruption is necessary to stop flowering is different for different plants, and this statement is based on *my* understanding of my reading. Some plants only need a minutes of dark phase photoperiod interruption to stop flowering, whereas others need a bit more. I have found that I can cause flowering by simply switching to 17/7 from 18/6, for example.

This all means that you can also manipulate flowering (think light deprivation and how folks get plants outdoors very early, one of the techniques to keep them vegging is to string up some lights on timers that either extend daylight hours, or interrupt dark hours).

I have regularly observed one specific scenario where flowering is triggered irrespective of dark phase of the photoperiod, and that's when they're outside in small pots (i.e. rootbound). Those girls ALWAYS always ALWAYS flower sooner and finish sooner than their sisters who get the big shoes.

Anyone who's working with clones has a problem because the plant has (usually, especially if purchased from a collective) already shown sex, and once that's occurred care must be taken with the photoperiod. I don't work with purchased clones, I make them myself, so I'm intimately familiar with the photoperiod and I have my own schedule worked out that utilizes an interrupted photoperiod. This allows me to keep everyone on the same timer and they can either stay where they are and continue vegging, go into the flower room to be flipped, or stuck outside to finish the season.

The typical progression that *I* have observed, when it comes to plants with a reduced number of lobes on the leaves, is that they go from 7/5, down to 3, and then down to 1. After they figure out, "Oh, HEY! I AM supposed to be putting on vegetative growth!" then they begin producing the normal number of lobes. But every time I see the reduced lobe count, I know it's hormonal confusion; i.e. the plant doesn't "know" if it's supposed to be growing or reproducing.

<prays again that it all made sense>
That means that switch FROM 12/12 can cause this. I've never seen switching TO 12/12 cause this, only the increase in light phase of the photoperiod.

How do you time a 24/12 photoperiod? That's got to require a digital timer, right? Something completely programmable? I get enough fun programming our drip irrigation, I tell you wut!

 

[stagehand099]

Mmm... ok, how best to explain what happens? Ok, flowering plants typically have two modes of growth, vegetative, and regenarative (flowering, sexual reproduction mode). Vegetative vs regenerative growth is regulated by hormones, and those hormones are triggered by the photoperiod; i.e. light and dark periods of the 24hr day phase.

With me so far?

It is established that cannabis' flowering is photoperiod-triggered, and we also happen to know that cannabis' flowering is triggered when it receives a sufficiently long, or enough of a change in the DARK phase of the photoperiod.
<praying that this is making sense>
SO! That means that changes in the dark phase of the photoperiod will cause the plant to put out different hormones, flowering hormones, based on what it senses as the photoperiod, which is based on DARK.

And that then means that all one needs to do, all that needs to occur to cause a FLOWERING plant to believe that it's supposed to be in a vegetative phase as opposed to regenerative is for the dark portion of the photoperiod to either be shortened significantly (look to your lighting schedules) or interrupted. How long an interruption is necessary to stop flowering is different for different plants, and this statement is based on *my* understanding of my reading. Some plants only need a minutes of dark phase photoperiod interruption to stop flowering, whereas others need a bit more. I have found that I can cause flowering by simply switching to 17/7 from 18/6, for example.

This all means that you can also manipulate flowering (think light deprivation and how folks get plants outdoors very early, one of the techniques to keep them vegging is to string up some lights on timers that either extend daylight hours, or interrupt dark hours).

I have regularly observed one specific scenario where flowering is triggered irrespective of dark phase of the photoperiod, and that's when they're outside in small pots (i.e. rootbound). Those girls ALWAYS always ALWAYS flower sooner and finish sooner than their sisters who get the big shoes.

Anyone who's working with clones has a problem because the plant has (usually, especially if purchased from a collective) already shown sex, and once that's occurred care must be taken with the photoperiod. I don't work with purchased clones, I make them myself, so I'm intimately familiar with the photoperiod and I have my own schedule worked out that utilizes an interrupted photoperiod. This allows me to keep everyone on the same timer and they can either stay where they are and continue vegging, go into the flower room to be flipped, or stuck outside to finish the season.

The typical progression that *I* have observed, when it comes to plants with a reduced number of lobes on the leaves, is that they go from 7/5, down to 3, and then down to 1. After they figure out, "Oh, HEY! I AM supposed to be putting on vegetative growth!" then they begin producing the normal number of lobes. But every time I see the reduced lobe count, I know it's hormonal confusion; i.e. the plant doesn't "know" if it's supposed to be growing or reproducing.

<prays again that it all made sense>
That means that switch FROM 12/12 can cause this. I've never seen switching TO 12/12 cause this, only the increase in light phase of the photoperiod.

How do you time a 24/12 photoperiod? That's got to require a digital timer, right? Something completely programmable? I get enough fun programming our drip irrigation, I tell you wut!

Makes perfect sense to me, SeaMaiden. Totally jives with what I've observed over the years. Gotta know your cuts like the back of your hand and be careful not to confuse those bitches.......

stagehand

 

[TribalSeeds]

24/12 was manual. I would power the room myself rowing a boat to generate electricity if I had to. The plants werent uptaking water so I figured it couldnt hurt at that point.
Your right, Im sure those clones were taken from a mother who had shown sex already. I always assumed they had the 3 blades because they were skinny little cuts that looked like there were probably 1,000 plants under a single light...