Thoughts on products?

[xbigaussiex]

Want peoples thoughts on products where there placed
and other alternatives .plus feeding chart.
im from australia so some products are from there.ill
provide some info on them.

Week 1-4 Grow
A+b growrite
GT Oxyplus
Canna Rhizotonic
Growtek cal-max

Week 5 flower
A+b budrite
Oxyplus
Rhizotonic

Week 6
A+b budrite
Oxyplus
Rhizotonic

Week 7
A+b budrite
Rock juice (PGR)

Week 8
A+b budrite
Oxyplus
Super thrive

Week 9
A+b budrite
Oxyplus
Canna Pk13-14

Week 10-12
A+b budrite
Oxyplus
GH Kool bloom (powder)

Week 13
Big flush

i flush at the end of each week for 1 day .


Growth Technology (OXYPLUS)-
A highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide in a stabilised form. Helps prevent disease and adds essential oxygen to hydroponic solutions. Oxy Plus can be used in all hydroponic growing systems and with all growing media.

Rock flower juice (ROCK JUICE)
is a flowering tonic suitable for all flowering plants. It contains naturally occurring organic acids.Cytokinins, Auxins and Gibberellins and also a range of micronutrients found in seaweed. In addition it contains silica to enhance flower weight and help reduce the chance of mould.

Growrite & Budrite A+B

Growrite and Budrite is a two part inorganic nutrient, which was produced twelve years ago in Holland and has been improved with the latest technology in plant nutrition. Growrite and Budrite are "crop specific" and have been formulated with the highest quality salts and fully chelate trace elements. During the mixing stage these nutrients are subject to strict quality control to ensure excellence and product consistency.
Growrite™ and Budrite™ nutrients are fully dissolved (no sediment or precipitation) and therefore the only nutrient on the Australian market to achieve this. These nutrients are also by far the most concentrated on the market. Growrite and Budrite nutrients are economically priced and they have comprehensive and easy to follow instructions.



Week ppm E.C
1. 400 0.8
2. 600 1.2
3. 800 1.6
4. 1000 2.0
5. 1000 2.0
6. 1000 2.0
7. 1100 2.2
8. 1100 2.2
9. 1200 2.4
10. 1200 2.4
11. 1200 2.4
12. 1200 2.4
13. flush

 

[kerlito]

any pic of the bud did u get of it?

 

[TheBioMaster]

Growrite and Budrite say its "crop specific" according to your post. What crop is it specific for? Do you have any information on how or why its "crop specific"?

As far as thoughts on products, I think Rhizotonic works as advertised but is about triple the price it should be. You can find comparable products for less then half the cost.

The Oxyplus is a 17% or 35% peroxide solution. Using this with rhizotonic together would be counter productive as rhizotonic promotes bacteria growth and Oxyplus would prevent ANY growth and make for a sterile res.

Rockjuice being a PGR would make for caution on use for consumable goods. PGR's IMHO are very questionable as far as thier safety goes.

Would love to see some pics as I have never heard of the Growrite nutrients before.

Peace!

 

[dman16]

you need to use that kool bloom 2 weeks from harvest at minimum imo.

 

[roseta_stoned]

is that the new organic rock juice if so it does not contain pgrs check out cyco flower a+b

 

[xbigaussiex]

any pic of the bud did u get of it?

yes its ww x bb feminized from female seeds its in week 6 of flower should have pics up soon. got 24 oz off 1 plant on average last time 600 w on each plant.
got 6 at the moment
4x600w
2x400w

Growrite and Budrite say its "crop specific" according to your post. What crop is it specific for? Do you have any information on how or why its "crop specific"?

not sure ill ask.
the website http://www.fasthydro.com.au/hydroponics/nutrients.html
mite have answers.


As far as thoughts on products, I think Rhizotonic works as advertised but is about triple the price it should be. You can find comparable products for less then half the cost.

i think its expensive too
any products in particular?

The Oxyplus is a 17% or 35% peroxide solution. Using this with rhizotonic together would be counter productive as rhizotonic promotes bacteria growth and Oxyplus would prevent ANY growth and make for a sterile res.

so what would you recommended i do whats more preffered or a way around this?
i always thought they worked good together cause i only put it in the res 2 to 3 days at a rate of 2mls per 10 litres like it says on the bottle thats the oxyplus
it says it 50% hydrogen peroxide


Rockjuice being a PGR would make for caution on use for consumable goods. PGR's IMHO are very questionable as far as thier safety goes.

Love to grow and sell but dont smoke my self.Its more of a love to grow and make money sitch more of a commerical grower so it gives me heaps more weight.

Would love to see some pics as I have never heard of the Growrite nutrients before.

have some up soon.

Peace!

Thanks for your comments. . he makes it up stairs from the shop so dont know much where he gets it from ill ask.

its cheap I get a+b 5 litres for $50.00 i think its really good they sell alot to.what do you usally get your nutes for? price wise?

you need to use that kool bloom 2 weeks from harvest at minimum imo.

yeah i use it for the last 3 weeks or two weeks
(10,11,12) depends on plant.

is that the new organic rock juice if so it does not contain pgrs check out cyco flower a+b

no its rock juice pgr i can get all pgr's hulk,rock juice,superbud, from melbourne real easy to get.

 

[xbigaussiex]

i heard superthrives was bad in flower? would it be better to use on the last week of grow
or not at all? The only reason i use it is cause when i put rock juice in i think it mite need some vitamins and hormones after it.

 

[toohighmf]

PGR's KILL. can you post a link, back label, or at least list the NPK's of your A&B?
What product lines are available in AU?
h2o2 and rhizotonic dont work together.
superthrive contains NAA. it is a rooting hormone.
find a cheap b-vitamin if you think it works.
what is your water source?
medium/System???

 

[xbigaussiex]

PGR's KILL.
yeah i know its pritty toxic. but it puts a shit load of weight on the plant
can you post a link, back label, or at least list the NPK's of your A&B
ill try find a link.or ill get you the npk's.

What product lines are available in AU??
every think from europe not much american brands.
australia have alot of brands to.
aus brands- rock, cyco, bloom,ozi,Nulife Technologies,Growth Technology,nutrifield

euro-dutch mater,canna,h and g,gh
canada-grotek

america-an
not much of an but just its a+b from some places
i thought aus would have more but we dont.


h2o2 and rhizotonic dont work together.
what would you recommened i do.
superthrive contains NAA. it is a rooting hormone.
so should i use? if yes when?

find a cheap b-vitamin if you think it works.
what is your water source?
soft water no e.c and around 6.8-7.0 ph

medium/System???
tubs,rockwool,
i think its a recycling satellite system
top tub is 45l tub with grodan slab
bottom is 65l tub

 

[TheBioMaster]

I would drop the Rhizotonic and Oxyplus. Use oxyplus to flush and sterilize your system between uses or for periodic cleaning/flushing.

If you can get Aquashield by Botanicare, it is reasonably priced and works (wont clog drains or pumps...very clean product) as good or better than others. This would replace the Rhizotonic. You cant use h202 products with bacteria or fungi products as a rule. One kills the other.....

Organismxl is another very rerasonably priced root innoculant that can be applied using several different methods such as a crown application, brewed as ACT, or mixed directly with water in a rez.

As far as Superthrive goes, toohigh is correct, find a b-vitamin supplement if you think it helps...superthrive is reasonable priced, but there are others that would give more bang for your buck meaning they include other goodies like amino's and such. Since you use powdered koolbloom, think about adding the liquid koolbloom to your regime. Its a great bloom booster and now contains b-vitamins. In the past I had great results using liquid koolbloom all through flower and then adding the powder koolbloom late in flower as a finisher.

Cheers!

 

[xbigaussiex]

I would drop the Rhizotonic and Oxyplus. Use oxyplus to flush and sterilize your system between uses or for periodic cleaning/flushing.

would i do it like this?
1-5th rhizotonic,aquashield root product
6th oxyplus (cleaning day)
7th day flush

If you can get Aquashield by Botanicare, it is reasonably priced and works (wont clog drains or pumps...very clean product) as good or better than others. This would replace the Rhizotonic. You cant use h202 products with bacteria or fungi products as a rule. One kills the other.....

looks good ill try and find it around whats the price usually?

Organismxl is another very rerasonably priced root innoculant that can be applied using several different methods such as a crown application, brewed as ACT, or mixed directly with water in a rez.

cant get this i dont think in australia?
are you aremician cause these brands are from america?


As far as Superthrive goes, toohigh is correct, find a b-vitamin supplement if you think it helps...superthrive is reasonable priced, but there are others that would give more bang for your buck meaning they include other goodies like amino's and such. Since you use powdered koolbloom, think about adding the liquid koolbloom to your regime. Its a great bloom booster and now contains b-vitamins. In the past I had great results using liquid koolbloom all through flower and then adding the powder koolbloom late in flower as a finisher.

i thought about using the liquid when should i use?
week 1-6 of flower then powder.
ill just drop the superthrive use kool bloom for the b vitamins does it have any amino's or do you know any good products that do.

Cheers!

thanks mate your've be real helpful.

 

[TheBioMaster]

I woudnt really do a flush with Oxyplus every 6th day. The problem with that is root innoculants/protectants such as Aquashield have live or dormant bacteria. You need to apply aquashield often to build up the micro-herd. When you apply Oxyplus you are killing your entire micro-herd and then having to start over again with each application.

Plus you either want to have live bacteria or you do not. If you change during a grow you will stunt your plants and stress them. So either start with the sterile approach or go with the biological method, but stick to whatever you decide.

With liquid koolbloom you begin at the start of flower and contiunue use until flush/harvest. You then add the powder during the last weeks of flower as a finisher/hardner.

If you can get Botanicare products there, then also look for Hydroplex. It is a bloom booster additive that contains LOTS of goodies like the L-Amino's and such. It is also very reasonable priced. Most compare it tot he old Big Bud powder formula by Advanced Nutrients but at half the price.

Cheers!

 

[xbigaussiex]

Is it pritty much 1 or the other. can you do aquashield/rhizo on grow and oxyplus on flower what would you says more important and what aproach do you go with or would go with.
could some more ppl quote on this too and say what they do.
thanks.

 

[toohighmf]

I'm big on sterile hydro. I'm not an advocate of live beneficials. oregonismXL is great for top dressing if you go that route. Biomaster, Botanicare has changed up hydroplex a bit. As AN did the same to Big Bud. While I'm not big on micro herds etc, I do use molasses in my NFT rockwool grows. it has mycs, useable carbs and is enzymatic. I actually used to use a TON of H2o2, but a cap of bleach per gallon is way cheaper and does just as good. Auquashield is mycorrizae highly diluted. seems you would be better off with bleach and no beneficials. havent seen much of a difference using liquid kool bloom liquid. when KB powder used weeks 3 & 7 has gotten me just what I need.

If you get GH. just get some maxibloom and kool bloom powder. a humic fulvic supplement like floralicious+ is a great add, as is a cal mag supplement. no need to get crazy. your environment and genetics will be be the key.

I usually run about 7-900ppm throughout. don't waste tons of products that could fry your crops.

If you can't get those products, use canna AB and their PK 13/14 with some calmax. done.

 

[xbigaussiex]

I'm big on sterile hydro. I'm not an advocate of live beneficials. oregonismXL is great for top dressing if you go that route. Biomaster, Botanicare has changed up hydroplex a bit. As AN did the same to Big Bud. While I'm not big on micro herds etc, I do use molasses in my NFT rockwool grows. it has mycs, useable carbs and is enzymatic. I actually used to use a TON of H2o2, but a cap of bleach per gallon is way cheaper and does just as good. Auquashield is mycorrizae highly diluted. seems you would be better off with bleach and no beneficials. havent seen much of a difference using liquid kool bloom liquid. when KB powder used weeks 3 & 7 has gotten me just what I need.

so molasses go good with oregonismxl,rhizotonic and not h2o2?
bleach cheaper and bettier?
KB on weeks 3,7 get better results then last couple of weeks at same strenght?


If you get GH. just get some maxibloom and kool bloom powder. a humic fulvic supplement like floralicious+ is a great add, as is a cal mag supplement. no need to get crazy. your environment and genetics will be be the key.

I usually run about 7-900ppm throughout. don't waste tons of products that could fry your crops.

If you can't get those products, use canna AB and their PK 13/14 with some calmax. done.

preffer GH then canna just like Rhizo,pk13-14. i find gh much cheaper then canna i can get all of there products in australia.
with GH whats better there 1part powder nutrients or there 2 part mix or 3 part mix?

looks good the powder nutrients.