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Thermal stuff
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mudvaynefan
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Depending on the heat source, they can see thru just about anything. They are seeing the heat, wich can penetrate walls and structures.
You have to think of a way to hide heat. Good luck.
I will say that you are not likely to have a problem from leo and thermal gear.
Unless your selling alot, or growing with some very big lights, your fine.
I mean, like 2k in a house will make the roof area of that room glow while the rest of the house is cooler.
Thats it.
Thats what that stuff does. Whats warmer than the surrounding area. Problem is heat is super hard to hide. You need thermal gear yourself to see if you are safe. Like I said, only 3-4k grows really need to worry.
If in the winter, all the roofs in the nieborhood are covered with snow, but your have a dry snow free spot over your garage/what ever, that might be a good spot for thermal.
I really dont think they fly around random spots with that stuff, fuel for choppers is not cheap, and they have better success snooping on houses they actually have info or tips on, rather than drive around looking for a 600 watt grow. If your under 2k, your fine.
You have to think of a way to hide heat. Good luck.
I will say that you are not likely to have a problem from leo and thermal gear.
Unless your selling alot, or growing with some very big lights, your fine.
I mean, like 2k in a house will make the roof area of that room glow while the rest of the house is cooler.
Thats it.
Thats what that stuff does. Whats warmer than the surrounding area. Problem is heat is super hard to hide. You need thermal gear yourself to see if you are safe. Like I said, only 3-4k grows really need to worry.
If in the winter, all the roofs in the nieborhood are covered with snow, but your have a dry snow free spot over your garage/what ever, that might be a good spot for thermal.
I really dont think they fly around random spots with that stuff, fuel for choppers is not cheap, and they have better success snooping on houses they actually have info or tips on, rather than drive around looking for a 600 watt grow. If your under 2k, your fine.
skylined
Member
I know the police have infared imagers, but do they also use X-rays? Are you quite sure they don't have anything that can see through walls? Also, if ur keeping your room cool with an open window does that set off a thermal scanner? Thanks for all responses. I'm not running any 600s anymore now anyways.
Peace,
~Skylined
Peace,
~Skylined
Try a Military surplus store for the canopy liner that blocks thermal. The Desert Storm troops report it as very effective. Just suspend it from your ceiling. Problem goes away!
mudvaynefan
Member
Wow, just wow.
You really should start doing research on this subject outside this website. Since your getting conflicting views here, and none of them seem to really know what they are talking about, Id look elsewhere.
Piece of paper? Yea, that shuts down the cops no problem.
Just don't let anyone outside of this site know that secret, everyone and their mom will be growing with 4k setups and printer paper on their ceiling.
You need to think about how thermal energy works.
Heat radiates into objects.
They become warmer than the surrounding area. Thats it. You can use your head from there. No, cops don't fly around with freaking xray machines. There is some xray tech being used in the import\shipping\homeland security, not your local pd.
The military cammo, being hung from your ceiling?
That rumor is older than moses.
It does not posses these properties.
Heat happens to radiate up, but not straight up and only up. Walls get warm, seams where sheetrock meet will leak heat faster than solid areas.
You guys above are telling this guy that if he wall papered his grow room solid with camo, he would be safe?
Cmon on, bad advice.
Heat still is heat, and there is nothing out there short of a really exspensive heat dissapation system that would be used in labs or something, wich is not practical for someone on this site.
Last, there is nothing in my post that would lead anyone to believe they are in danger of thermal detection.
You need to be selling, and have the cops investigating you for them to spend the manhours, and money to use a device to gather more evidence.
Remeber, by the time they are using any thermal device on your home, they already have a really good reason to believe youve got a good size fellony.
Cops dont do raids for misdemeanors.
But, to the poster, really, look outside this site, cause your getting some wild shit here.
You really should start doing research on this subject outside this website. Since your getting conflicting views here, and none of them seem to really know what they are talking about, Id look elsewhere.
Piece of paper? Yea, that shuts down the cops no problem.
Just don't let anyone outside of this site know that secret, everyone and their mom will be growing with 4k setups and printer paper on their ceiling.
You need to think about how thermal energy works.
Heat radiates into objects.
They become warmer than the surrounding area. Thats it. You can use your head from there. No, cops don't fly around with freaking xray machines. There is some xray tech being used in the import\shipping\homeland security, not your local pd.
The military cammo, being hung from your ceiling?
That rumor is older than moses.
It does not posses these properties.
Heat happens to radiate up, but not straight up and only up. Walls get warm, seams where sheetrock meet will leak heat faster than solid areas.
You guys above are telling this guy that if he wall papered his grow room solid with camo, he would be safe?
Cmon on, bad advice.
Heat still is heat, and there is nothing out there short of a really exspensive heat dissapation system that would be used in labs or something, wich is not practical for someone on this site.
Last, there is nothing in my post that would lead anyone to believe they are in danger of thermal detection.
You need to be selling, and have the cops investigating you for them to spend the manhours, and money to use a device to gather more evidence.
Remeber, by the time they are using any thermal device on your home, they already have a really good reason to believe youve got a good size fellony.
Cops dont do raids for misdemeanors.
But, to the poster, really, look outside this site, cause your getting some wild shit here.
they cant just fly/walk around and shoot flir...
in order for flir to be used by the police on your house, they need a warrant. a warrant will not be served by the judge on the mere fact that heat is coming from a room in a house. you have to fuck up somewhere else in order for a warrant to be served (i.e. stealing electricty, telling too many people about the grow). even then, chances of FLIR being used is slim to none because it is costly.
if you are worried about flir, just remember this: who's to say you arent growing orchids or indoor tomatoes under your 5k watts of light? id like to see the po's run in on one of those...shit, if anyone knows a good attorney, there is a GREAT potential suit for ya to set up...
"KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK, bang, flash grenade" "everyone on the ground" "patrolman smith, head to the growroom while we lockup these nasty criminals..." 5 minutes later after patrolman smith checks the supposed grow room... "ahh captain edwards, we have a problem" "this growroom is full of orchids, not weeed"...........all of the cops in unison- "OHHHH SHITTTTT"
you the grower -
in order for flir to be used by the police on your house, they need a warrant. a warrant will not be served by the judge on the mere fact that heat is coming from a room in a house. you have to fuck up somewhere else in order for a warrant to be served (i.e. stealing electricty, telling too many people about the grow). even then, chances of FLIR being used is slim to none because it is costly.
if you are worried about flir, just remember this: who's to say you arent growing orchids or indoor tomatoes under your 5k watts of light? id like to see the po's run in on one of those...shit, if anyone knows a good attorney, there is a GREAT potential suit for ya to set up...
"KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK, bang, flash grenade" "everyone on the ground" "patrolman smith, head to the growroom while we lockup these nasty criminals..." 5 minutes later after patrolman smith checks the supposed grow room... "ahh captain edwards, we have a problem" "this growroom is full of orchids, not weeed"...........all of the cops in unison- "OHHHH SHITTTTT" you the grower -
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Mudvaynefan---------thanks for your post. There is much good info in the forums, sadly there is also some really bogus stuff being passed around as FACT! With no offense to the youngsters in here, I have noticed the posts where JB is asking a Q one day, and a day or 2 later he is a WhizzBang Pro leading the blind into a chasm of confusion and failure. Hell almighty, I have an eraser on my pencil too.
Skyline, your writings "sound" like those of an individual that is more than apprehensive. Give some serious consideration to the issues involved when one embarks upon an effort in the field of "Cannabis", studying, cultivating, harvesting and indulging. It's not for everybody, especially younger folks that have so much to lose
TyStik.
Skyline, your writings "sound" like those of an individual that is more than apprehensive. Give some serious consideration to the issues involved when one embarks upon an effort in the field of "Cannabis", studying, cultivating, harvesting and indulging. It's not for everybody, especially younger folks that have so much to lose
TyStik.
I myself am a youngster, but I however have spent many hours in gardens, horticulture shops and gardening books, not including the countless hours I have spent on MJ research alone. But YES you are right about the info leaking around to kids. All over around me I heard misinformation spreading... Plants can grow like this.. I used to do this... You hear alot of BS stories and shrug most off, but I recently let a kid at a party know how I felt when he told me his "old farmer" technique of spraying buds with flat clear spray paint so "It will add more weight without the harsh chemicals of nutrients." If nothing else, I hope it was his own personal stash...
I have heard that mylar (space blankets) reflect thermal energy VERY well... I can imagine that it may help shield unwanted thermal drafts from showing up for LEO...
I have heard that mylar (space blankets) reflect thermal energy VERY well... I can imagine that it may help shield unwanted thermal drafts from showing up for LEO...
Stinkymutt
Active member
Thermal Imaging
Thermal Imaging
Hey guys , I have to say that I am not an expert or have never had training for using thermal . I do however have plenty of chances to play with thermal cameras do to my job . I have to hook up chargers and such in emergency vehicles and of course i play with the cameras ! At 50 feet from the side of a building you can in fact "see" objects as well as people walking around and light fixtures glowing. Windows make it all the easier to pick out a heat sig. . There are many diff types of thermal imagers and this is just one of the more expensive units used by fire department . In this case very little imagination was needed to see the heat of people walking and the lighting. Heat ducts however were just huge clouds of heat . I could only see the Imediate offices next to the road and not in " layers" as in room to room. this was also an older building and not very well insulated . I think the best defense is to simply spread the heat out with a fan and try to cool lights the best as possible.( an air gap ) This is only what I found in my experience and am sure there will be those who disagree . But oh well I worry about it as well , for all the good it does to worry . Oh ya I am sure that the FLIR system is much more advanced than what I played with , this camera had only very limited selection for heat settings.
peace
mutt
Thermal Imaging
Hey guys , I have to say that I am not an expert or have never had training for using thermal . I do however have plenty of chances to play with thermal cameras do to my job . I have to hook up chargers and such in emergency vehicles and of course i play with the cameras ! At 50 feet from the side of a building you can in fact "see" objects as well as people walking around and light fixtures glowing. Windows make it all the easier to pick out a heat sig. . There are many diff types of thermal imagers and this is just one of the more expensive units used by fire department . In this case very little imagination was needed to see the heat of people walking and the lighting. Heat ducts however were just huge clouds of heat . I could only see the Imediate offices next to the road and not in " layers" as in room to room. this was also an older building and not very well insulated . I think the best defense is to simply spread the heat out with a fan and try to cool lights the best as possible.( an air gap ) This is only what I found in my experience and am sure there will be those who disagree . But oh well I worry about it as well , for all the good it does to worry . Oh ya I am sure that the FLIR system is much more advanced than what I played with , this camera had only very limited selection for heat settings.
peace
mutt
skylined
Member
Actually everyone I feel a little better now. I think 600 watt lights are too big to be running in an apartment anyways. I do wonder though, are these scanners still operable during the day? Also, are they less effective than night time? Are you sure the pigs just don't drive around and scan everything?
Peace,
~Skylined
Peace,
~Skylined
mudvaynefan
Member
Sky, I see you checked on this thread again so Ill post what I hope will be a little help in the less paranoid department.
First off.
Cops do not drive, or fly around with flir or any other cannabis grow detecting device.
Read that again.
The only way a cop is going to be on your street, pointing anything at your house, is if they have a good tip, with evidence that you have a large grow op.
That means weed your growing is in an bag somewhere in an open investigation with your name on it, given to them by an informant you sold to, or a friend you sold to sold to him, and got busted, and ratted you out.
See how that happens?
Be very very carefull about who you even get high with once you start growing.
People figure shit out if you have not been out of weed for a long time, and you dont go to the same dealer like you were before you started growing.
Its all gotta be an illusion.
It needs to be commercial, you need to be selling.
Dont do that.
Gas for helicopter is exspensive, the pilots make alot, plus, you need an open investigation to use the equipment, I mean, your screwed anyway if they are pointing that shit at your house.
600 is fine for an apt, if you feel you can cool it safely. Cool tubes are great for that.
If 600 watts is something you feel like paying for with your grow, try 2 300 watters, spread out, with a couple of fans, or in a tandem hood/tube arrangement.
Being able to spread the light and heat out a bit may allow you to do what your trying.
Dont worry about it.
Just dont sell. Dont tell. Dont smell.
Use common sense, youll be fine.
I dont think day or night has much of an effect on that stuff, heat is heat, a 2k grow will heat up a roof or walls of a house in the day just like at night, still, this device is not to be feared untill you start slanging sacks while growing out your home.
Dont do that stupid shit.The only thing to worry about in an apt is the sound of the blower, and power outs. I live in apts now, and have had power outs. .
If you are going with an air cooled hood, or tube, then build a box for your blower, insulate it, and it can operate very quietly from inside there with no problem.
Ive no idea about your setup, but dont worry about cops flir.Worry more about your landlord, pest control, and apt repair people.
First off.
Cops do not drive, or fly around with flir or any other cannabis grow detecting device.
Read that again.
The only way a cop is going to be on your street, pointing anything at your house, is if they have a good tip, with evidence that you have a large grow op.
That means weed your growing is in an bag somewhere in an open investigation with your name on it, given to them by an informant you sold to, or a friend you sold to sold to him, and got busted, and ratted you out.
See how that happens?
Be very very carefull about who you even get high with once you start growing. People figure shit out if you have not been out of weed for a long time, and you dont go to the same dealer like you were before you started growing.
Its all gotta be an illusion.
It needs to be commercial, you need to be selling.
Dont do that.
Gas for helicopter is exspensive, the pilots make alot, plus, you need an open investigation to use the equipment, I mean, your screwed anyway if they are pointing that shit at your house.
600 is fine for an apt, if you feel you can cool it safely. Cool tubes are great for that.
If 600 watts is something you feel like paying for with your grow, try 2 300 watters, spread out, with a couple of fans, or in a tandem hood/tube arrangement.
Being able to spread the light and heat out a bit may allow you to do what your trying.
Dont worry about it.
Just dont sell. Dont tell. Dont smell.
Use common sense, youll be fine.
I dont think day or night has much of an effect on that stuff, heat is heat, a 2k grow will heat up a roof or walls of a house in the day just like at night, still, this device is not to be feared untill you start slanging sacks while growing out your home.
Dont do that stupid shit.The only thing to worry about in an apt is the sound of the blower, and power outs. I live in apts now, and have had power outs.
. If you are going with an air cooled hood, or tube, then build a box for your blower, insulate it, and it can operate very quietly from inside there with no problem.
Ive no idea about your setup, but dont worry about cops flir.Worry more about your landlord, pest control, and apt repair people.
The question isn't does it work. It does. The question isn't whether you can hide from it using stuff from the stationary store or Joe's surplus. You can't. The question is: have you made it worth their time?
At 600 watts, they'd end up busting several thousand aquarists, computer hackers, home theatres etc before they got to you.
At 600 watts, they'd end up busting several thousand aquarists, computer hackers, home theatres etc before they got to you.
