The Ultimate L.E.D Grow. 126w Penetrator - *New Technique

[VerdantGreen]

hey MB thats a great pull from your light and i have to put my hands up and say that i doubted that your 'technique' was going to work, but you refined it and improved it and you got two grows from one light - so, presuming that the nanners were strain related and not light leak related, i take my hat off to you - you pulled it off +rep

that said, even though you doubled your total yield, and no-one can take that away from you, i would agree with blynx etc that you cant really call your grams per watt yield 1.4. gpw is essentially a measure of efficiency and because you used twice as much power to get twice as much weed, your efficiency stays the same but your total yield doubles - a good way of making the most of an expensive investment.

grams per watt is by no means a perfect way of calculating yield but it is a simple number that everyone can work out and understand, and it is based on 12/12. i couldnt comment on autoflower stuff because i have no interest in them and neither do most of the people that grow regular strains. seriously dude you have come up with a great idea here but by claiming double your gpw you are taking the attention away from your invention and undermining yourself. as a representative for HGLED you will come under more scrutiny than most and you need credibility. It seems that many people are suspicious of LED performance claims as it is so you are going to do yourself no favors in sticking to your guns on this and it will turn into a huge pain in your ass

cheers

VG

 

[TicalionStalion]

Your absolutely right, I have only had 4-5 grows now and man i feel like I have learned alot, lot more to go. Also I have been building these "more than simple" cabs and it's also been a learning experience. I still need a good strain! I haven't even gotten my nutes right yet!!!

someone needs to get this man some clone onlys I really dig the cab bro, I think once you get a real nice strain and nute program that works for you in order, youll be pulling real nice stuff!

 

[Weezard]

Facts is facts.

Facts is facts.

hey MB thats a great pull from your light and i have to put my hands up and say that i doubted that your 'technique' was going to work, but you refined it and improved it and you got two grows from one light - so, presuming that the nanners were strain related and not light leak related, i take my hat off to you - you pulled it off +rep

that said, even though you doubled your total yield, and no-one can take that away from you, i would agree with blynx etc that you cant really call your grams per watt yield 1.4. gpw is essentially a measure of efficiency and because you used twice as much power to get twice as much weed, your efficiency stays the same but your total yield doubles - a good way of making the most of an expensive investment.

grams per watt is by no means a perfect way of calculating yield but it is a simple number that everyone can work out and understand, and it is based on 12/12. i couldnt comment on autoflower stuff because i have no interest in them and neither do most of the people that grow regular strains. seriously dude you have come up with a great idea here but by claiming double your gpw you are taking the attention away from your invention and undermining yourself. as a representative for HGLED you will come under more scrutiny than most and you need credibility. It seems that many people are suspicious of LED performance claims as it is so you are going to do yourself no favors in sticking to your guns on this and it will turn into a huge pain in your ass

cheers

VG

In full agreement, wit' V. G.!

Refine yer idea Mr Bean, and you will have a killer product.
2 crops with one lamp, brilliant.

Just trust that nobody is picking on you here.
Yer on my friends list, brah!

I can see where you got fuddled.
Did something similar on my second grow.
But, when I re-figured it the right way, I was still proud of it.

Alas, the proper math here is 118 X 24 X number of days = power consumed for this grow.
Factor that, with the total yield from this grow, and it is still a very impressive number.
(I don't do math, (too lazy), but excel at logic.)

Big kudos on your actual GPW, and even bigger on your great idea.

I'd call it da Meanbean method.


Aloha, grower
Weezard

 

[MeanBean]

hey V n weez, no doubt I get were yall are coming from. I hate gpw, but I just abuse it like alot of the others that use the term soooo loosely. Now since the led guys using it theirs all these new between the lines rules applied hahaha. I never heard anyopne askin how many hours the light was on for gpw, even if the answer is 13 your still throwing a bunk number.

Honestly I knew people were going to be bitchen, but I didn't care because I have to hear about gpw all day long and it's a bunk measurement.

I am seriously pissed I only got .72 per side. But life goes on and so does the battle. I know I can get over 1 gram per watt per side if I was a bit more expireanced, ya and I need a good strain. V- nanner never came this grow but I know I don't want em.

SO NOW THAT THIS POINT IT MADE:

If you want to have a discussion against me and/or led's with you and/or your bulb, about grams per watt you will be given these stats. BUT if your willing to do a grams per watt per hour per day comparison I am all for it an you better do your math before coming to the table.

If you ask me it's more of a smack in the face to hear someone with a 1000w HID say the got 1.5 gpw but you find out its a 13 week strain.... bit more of a advantage then my 100 watts extra per day.... BUT YET people have the nerve to toss gpw in my face like it's an accutrate measurment lol...

It's all good thanks everyone, but still my 1.44 is no further from reality than the example 1000w HID grow above....

 

[blynx]

I am seriously pissed I only got .77 per side. But life goes on and so does the battle. I know I can get over 1 gram per watt per side if I was a bit more expireanced, ya and I need a good strain. V- nanner never came this grow but I know I don't want em.

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If you ask me it's more of a smack in the face to hear someone with a 1000w HID say the got 1.5 gpw but you find out its a 13 week strain.... bit more of a advantage then my 100 watts extra per day.... BUT YET people have the nerve to toss gpw in my face like it's an accutrate measurment lol...

It's all good thanks everyone, but still my 1.44 is no further from reality than the example 1000w HID grow above....

1.44 not only further from reality than yer 1k example, but it's WRONG.

You CANNOT ADD together TWO AREAS YIELD yet only factor in only ONE AREA'S WATTAGE USE.

Yer math is also wrong again. 1.44 divided by 2 is .72 NOT .77

Why are you so hooked on hours that a light is on? That really has nothing to do with anything. If someone is running 12/12 or 16/8 or 18/6 or 24/0 who cares, the point is they are RUNNING ONE AREA, YOU AREN'T!

The point you keep either missing, or ignoring, is that you RAN TWO AREAS.

Thus you get GPW FOR YOUR CAB, you take EACH AREA'S GPW and DIVIDE BY TWO.

You CANNOT ADD THE TWO AREA'S GPW WITHOUT DIVIDING BY NUMBER OF AREAS.

You need to be more accurate in numbers you throw around. You've claimed 8 oz instead of the true 6. You've argued incorrectly that you got 1.44 GPW and now you rounded up again from .72 to .77

 

[MeanBean]

Why are you so hooked on hours that a light is on? That really has nothing to do with anything. If someone is running 12/12 or 16/8 or 18/6 or 24/0 who cares, the point is they are RUNNING ONE AREA, YOU AREN'T!

Are you serious dude? Nothing to do with anything??? that statement is a joke, right? I am done arguing with you, but I did adjust the .77 to .72. I never actually divided it and that's what i thought I saw you post.

 

[MeanBean]

Smoke Report:

Smoke Report:

Alright, Got some time to snap a few pics, and well there ok, Still it's tough to capture this beauty on film, better luck next time!!

Anyhow the buds smoke great, they smell like a citrus but very sweet, some buds are so strong it seems like cologne!

It was fun but I am on to finding a faster strain, if this was really an 8-10 week strain maybe, but it defiantly needed about 12 for me...

Any well known 8 week scrog strains out there with a journal???

 

[holy]

nice nugs....and 8 week documented scrog strains...hmm c99 comes to mind.

 

[treefrog]

Sweetest Cindy is, all things considered, the best scrog variety available, imho.
All though, C99 x NL #5 is good too. Oh yeah, the C99 x AK47 is killer... are you seeing a pattern here?

 

[skotty]

far canal

nice grow their meanbean with the lights i havent really used mine to grow a regular strain yet but hopefully when i get the colder weather i will break out the big guns

good luck with ya future grows fella

peace

 

[killerweed31]

fuc..good bud mean bean..cheers!!!

 

[dmoose]

+rep

+rep

All of this GPW talk is just taking away from the Best Part of this Grow.... The FACT IS.... You came up with a cabinet that allowed you to use 1 light, and illuminate 2 seperate grow areas. With a little experience with LED growing, scrogging.... etc, you could easily pull twice your weight in LED watts. Regardless of GPW formulations, I would buy that cab if it was plug-n-grow!

Thank you for sharing your hard work with us! You really ROCKED the LED, and YOUR innovative CABINET!

Good Luck +rep

 

[fourandtwenty]

Fantastic grow meanbean..I'm a fan of the meanbean technique!

I also agree with the big boys on their take of the GPW and that yours is half of your stated GPW.

congratulations to everyone on this GPW argument for not flaming and abusing one another!!

I also would like more information on peoples GPW's like total light wattage used from clone to harvest. The most accurate way would be total power consumed for the grow ie. lights plus fans plus A/C plus whatever...

Anyhow best of luck with this grow and all future grows.

 

[growfr]

WOW!

I was wondering how to avoid the start-up spike on a smartmeter.
This is it.
Imagine applying this to a HPS light....
My plan is to construct a high density SOG in two side by side 4x4 grow chambers.
Mount the light on a piece of 4x4 plywood to slide on a track every 12 hours.
I was looking at adding solar or wind power to throw off my meter, but this seems to be the ticket.
If you read the high density perpetual SOG Dr BudGreengenes thread, he talks about when he was a cash-cropper using 1k HIDs / 4 one inch clones per 1 gallon square pot / 7x7 area / harvesting 24 pots per week yielding 500grams each and every week

I imagine scaled down to 32 square feet, after getting it dialed in... I could see 320 grams a week. I feel a challenge coming on.......

 

[desertsquirrel]

those poor girls are looking haggard... I'm trying to figure out whats new about this thread and i can't figure it out... looks like an led grow, whats new about that?

I hate our leds.... If they didn't run on .5 amps they would be in the trash can.

 

[GP73LPC]

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