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The Terrorists are winning!

NOKUY

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With all this RFID chip crap, and all the new "security measures" weve been talking about ...I've concluded that the terrorist are winning. (I'm sure I'm not alone in that thought) :fsu:

Terrorists attack the United States because they are jealous of our prosperity. We're told they hate our freedom, they hate our rights, and they hate our our lifestyle. They hate all the things that made this country the one to which all the world's poor and all the world's oppressed long to emigrate.

If we accept that explanation for their actions of September 11, 2001 then it follows that those things, especially the rights and freedoms, are the things they most want to destroy.

But rights and freedoms are not things one can destroy with bombs and bullets. They are ideas, and ideas live in the minds and the souls of a people even when they are supressed.

If Osama bin Laden had come to America, bought himself a nice condo, then proceeded to buy a lot of TV time to preach his world view, what do you suppose would have happened? At best, he would have been ignored by government and the vast majority of the people because his message would not have fit within the framework of a society founded and built upon the concept of natural rights and limited government. If he can't convince us with words, what is a zealot to do?

A smart athlete will tell you the best way to win a game against a superior opponent is to get the other guy to beat himself; to somehow psyche him out so that he accomplishes your goal for you.

Judging from what he has accomplished, Osama must be the father of all athletes. In one fell swoop, he's made us do to ourselves what he could never hope to have achieved with words alone-- he has made us give up our liberty, give up our rights, alter our lives, and live in the shadow of oppression -- and like it.

Think back to September 10, 2001. Imagine the President issuing an order requiring all airline passengers to submit to random body searches; a second order instituting secret trials; a third order authorizing secret arrests and indefinite detention without any formal charges; a fourth order creating a network of citizens to spy on other citizens. What do you suppose would have happened? Would the majority of Americans have calmly accepted these suspensions of their rights and freedoms?

I hardly think so. I think there would have been riots in the streets.

But today, most Americans accept the idea their neighbor could just disappear one day into the clutches of a government that is accountable to no one; that police can stop and search them for no reason; that their grandmothers must submit to humiliating searches in order to board a plane to visit them. Americans are being trained to queue up and submit. Today it is for planes, tomorrow it will be for trains and busses. How long will it be before they expand the drunk driving roadblocks, authorizing stops and searches of your car and family in the name of finding terrorists? How long before they'll start random searches of pedestrians?

Liberals, at least, should be happy at the prospect. They are finally getting what they have always wanted -- a government in complete control of the people. Of course, it is not the kind of control they envisioned when they put into place the bureaucracy and machinery of the American nanny government. They imagined they'd be using government's guns -- it's only real source of power -- to make us all ride bikes, save trees and bugs, eat our veggies, and live in cramped, energy efficient hives. But, as always, the Law of Unintended Consequences reared its ugly head and bit them in the behind. With all their intellectual prowess, it never occurred to them the power structure they put in place could, and would someday be used to "make them safe" or kill them trying. For make no mistake, that is the road on which we now travel.

A government unaccountable to the people is a dictatorship, no matter the pretty face it shows to the public. For a while, it will be with the best of intentions that one freedom after another is curtailed in the name of national security and the public good. Then it will occur to someone that since they no longer need to justify what they do, they can do as they please. So they will. And by then, it will be to late for the rest of us to do anything about it.

Yes, the terrorists are winning. They have caused us to do to ourselves what they could never have otherwise achieved -- they have hurried us along on the road to oppression, to the type of government they, and liberals covet, where the few command the many, absolutely.

But, hey, don't worry. We will still be sort of free. Like the citizens of Nazi Germany, of the old Soviet Union, of today's China and Korea, we will be free to do as we are told, free to follow the leader like sheep, free to bow and scrape before our masters, and free to try and remember what real freedom felt like.

something to think about:wave:
 
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Pops

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Yukon, I have basically posted this same thing on several threads. What the terrorists couldn't do them selves, our government did for them,. They won!!!
 

Yummybud

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obviously the terrorists have won. Since 9/11 all everyone talks about now is terrorists, you turn on the news and it's about terrorism / terrorists.
 

marx2k

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The "terrorists" won when it became pretty evident that the "Terror Alert" level will never go below yellow, and if it does, it's a tease. Having that alert system in place is a loss for America in and of itself. What a joke.
 
G

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Ive got a RFID chip in my female prized uber-bred pitbull..
so, whats to know...

shes badass, thats what...come up to my door...
 
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The terrorists are winning because the media and government are letting them win. You see France used to have a pretty bad problem with terrorists at one time, but the french government refused to let their people believe it was a problem, french people went along their daily business and there was no mass hysteria as in the US and A. After awhile of not getting the desired response from the french the terrorist just kinda gave up, why? Because no one was terrorized ,no one was afraid.It's too bad that Bush had to turn this into the three ring circus it is now.

Also, I believe that 3/4 of the terror in America comes right from Washinton, not Al queida or islamic extremists, The terror Alert system is a prime example of how the bush administration is using this potential threat as a way to always keep people here scared and controlable. I'm telling you what...I believe my country has a long , scary road ahead of it, and the I.E.D.'s we encounter along the way will have been planted there as much by our government as by any extremist group.

I believe this whole terror B.S. is/was a ploy by the right wing religous fanatics(they really control this country) as some kind of Apococlyptic, you'de better praise the lord and ask for forgivness,way of trying to clean up and re-establish control over a country that they have been loseing slowly from their grasp for some time. I see sheer desperation in their motives, as well as with the Bush administration. Bush may be leaving in a year ,but don't fool yourself into thinking thats the end of it. I think Bush was just the beginning of a long line of tryannical leaders that are to take control of this country.

I'm simply waiting people to realize it and fight it. Fight it with our voice and our votes, and if necessary with our second ammendment rights. I believe we will live to see the last days of our mighty empire.
 

NOKUY

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"eaglevision" what world do you live in?

...I think you need to wake the fuck up, and hopefully your 1st in line for the "Intelligence IV".

Not that I really care what you or anyone else thinks, but the problem is pretty obvious to most of us :D
 
G

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Yeah, the terrorists won alright, but around here we call them the president and his administration.
 

SmokeyPufmaster

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I'm totally in agreement as the thread starter. The government is breaking every convenient that they have with its people.
 
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vonforne

But in America, the people still carry guns. I'm military trained. I wait and I watch and I listen. One day we will take no more. One day. And on that day we shall win back our freedom which was taken from us in the name of freedom. One day. But until that day I wait and I watch and I listen.
 

Verite

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Um yeah, they live in a cave and snack on sheep turds.

Yeah, theyre winning all right.
 

Verite

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Um yeah, they live in a cave and snack on sheep turds.

Yeah theyre winning all right.
 

marx2k

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vonforne said:
But in America, the people still carry guns. I'm military trained. I wait and I watch and I listen. One day we will take no more. One day. And on that day we shall win back our freedom which was taken from us in the name of freedom. One day. But until that day I wait and I watch and I listen.

A large problem, you should remember, is not everyone who carries guns thinks the government is coming for them. A lot of the people who carry guns are also asleep like most of this country.
 
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