The Terpenes VS Cannabinoids correlation.

[Gr33nSanta]

When one goes up, the other goes down, what are your thoughts on this?

Is it possible to get a cultivar that test over 30% THC and over 10 % Terpenoids or are those numbers impossible to reach using traditional breeding method since you can only have so much of the 2 together?

I have never had the chance to try the GG4 which apparently often test over 30% THC, does it have much flavor? or is it simply a THC monster?

What are you breeding for, terps profile or cannabinoids profile?

Share the results of your most prized plants here. Thanks.

 

[bestothebest]

What I have often heard is that unless you are breeding specifically for thc, you should begin looking into the terps and smaller cannabinoids other then thc when you have reached 20%, so as to modify the effects. With this in mind, I believe it is possible to have a strain that hits you harder with 20% thc and a certain set of other ingredients than just 30% thc and no other chemicals. This seems to sum up what I have read, feel free to correct this if I have stated anything incorrect.

 

[MJPassion]

I want (chuck for) flavor & potency.
First... No plant to date has tested 30% THC.
THCA, yes... Up to about 32% but then each molecule has to shed a COOH to become THC making the final THC% around 28% when testing at 32%THCA.

GG4 is potent but, imo, is lacking flavor. Others may have a different opinion.
I've sampled several legit dispensary sources & grown it myself. Mine being the best I've tried & still leaves me desiring something tastier. Even after a years cure.

Sam Skunkman would probably be the best person to answer your question as his breeding experience is extensive & includes breeding for single terp & single (or as close to as he could get) cannabinoid profiles.

 

[GMT]

Isn't it like asking where all the geeks who dance well hang out?
Or why shire horses are slow?
Things that get selected for 1 trait haven't been selected for another. Evolution within a niche environment for a limited population produces a population with less genetic variance. Hence potent pot ain't tasty no more, normally. And vice versa. Its not that its not possible, just that the numbers and forces at action haven't produced it yet. We are mid process which means lots of possibilities for all players, new and old.

 

[Gr33nSanta]

I mostly wanted to start a thread on the topic so that eventually if enough people participate and post results of both terps profile and cannabinoids profile , from any cultivar, we could figure out a baseline number, basically adding terps and cannabinoids and using that as way to rate a plant.

I ll be the first to do it, my most prized plant is my Les Fleurs Bleues, a high CBD plant I found/created via pollen chucking.

She test at 13.5% CBD, 9.5% THC, and the terps I am not sure I read this properly but 11% ?

I feel those numbers were inflated, especially for the terps, but maybe not, it was a legit lab.

So anyway, lets pretend those numbers are accurate, this would give this plant a score of 35% (13.5+9.5+11+other cannabinoids)

Some might say I am trying to justify a low THC number I got on my most recent sample HAHA but truly I just think this could be a neat way to rate plants.

 

[GMT]

Some of the numbers I read indicate that leaves and stems are filled with nothing but hydrogen to get the percentage weights so high. What are they weighing? Are they scraping trichs off plants for the tests or what?

 

[Gr33nSanta]

Some of the numbers I read indicate that leaves and stems are filled with nothing but hydrogen to get the percentage weights so high. What are they weighing? Are they scraping trichs off plants for the tests or what?

They only need .1 of a gram I think, I like to think they simply gently break it off into small nuggets a picked the one as close to .1 as possible without messing too much with it hopefully...

 

[Chunkypigs]

She test at 13.5% CBD, 9.5% THC, and the terps I am not sure I read this properly but 11% ?

that's 1.1% terpenes in your report, not 11%.

 

[Gr33nSanta]

that's 1.1% terpenes in your report, not 11%.

weird how it would be only 1 % since it is one of the loudest plant I ve ever come across.

 

[Chunkypigs]

weird how it would be only 1 % since it is one of the loudest plant I ve ever come across.

1% is probably the loudest weed you've ever encountered.

only a tiny fraction top 2%, last years Emerald cup had one at 7% and a few that topped 3%.

some growers can't even get 1% with glue or cookies so don't feel bad.

PSI is one of the last labs with all their results online for the public to view.

https://psilabs.org/results/test-results/

go to this site and check the flowers box and the terpene test box on the right and you will see the terp % of lots of flowers in MI.

SClabs in Cali pulled their public data but you can see the results for all 700 or so flower samples from last years emerald cup here, select the dropdown menu to flowers.

https://client.sclabs.com/client/4661/

you have to click each individual flower link to get the terp info but trust me high terps do not correlate with low THC across the board.

just look at this Fire OG Kush with 6% terps and 23.5% THC.
https://client.sclabs.com/sample/213523/

 

[SilverHazer]

IME terpene rich strains give a more instant effect, whereas quieter strains have a creeping effect more often.

 

[Chunkypigs]

I mostly wanted to start a thread on the topic so that eventually if enough people participate and post results of both terps profile and cannabinoids profile , from any cultivar, we could figure out a baseline number, basically adding terps and cannabinoids and using that as way to rate a plant.

I ll be the first to do it, my most prized plant is my Les Fleurs Bleues, a high CBD plant I found/created via pollen chucking.

She test at 13.5% CBD, 9.5% THC, and the terps I am not sure I read this properly but 11% ?

I feel those numbers were inflated, especially for the terps, but maybe not, it was a legit lab.

So anyway, lets pretend those numbers are accurate, this would give this plant a score of 35% (13.5+9.5+11+other cannabinoids)

Some might say I am trying to justify a low THC number I got on my most recent sample HAHA but truly I just think this could be a neat way to rate plants.

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I came back and looked at these tests again after spending more hours scoping out the Emerald cup tests and I was wrong about the percentage.

that terp test is showing 11% but the 1st picture shows cannabinoid tests on 2 concentrates and 1 flower.

which of those samples was the terpene test run on?

11% would be a very high score for concentrates but for a flower it would be amazing.

you have a picture of the terp test that shows what they were testing?

if it was for flowers I would want to see another test run on the strain to see if it's accurate or if a decimal place was moved somewhere by mistake.

 

[Gr33nSanta]

I came back and looked at these tests again after spending more hours scoping out the Emerald cup tests and I was wrong about the percentage.

that terp test is showing 11% but the 1st picture shows cannabinoid tests on 2 concentrates and 1 flower.

which of those samples was the terpene test run on?

11% would be a very high score for concentrates but for a flower it would be amazing.

you have a picture of the terp test that shows what they were testing?

if it was for flowers I would want to see another test run on the strain to see if it's accurate or if a decimal place was moved somewhere by mistake.

The terpene test was for the third sample, the flower sample, the other 2 samples were rosins and I only wanted to know the overall cannabinoid profiles on those.

For me I got what I wanted out of that test, I can't afford to get things retested just because.... This plant is my number 1 and will be for quite some time, I know it has more CBD than THC and I know that the smells and flavors are outstanding.

Ive shared her with a lot of local growers and I am looking forward to see if it will catch on locally, I think it s a great great plant. There is actually a good demand for ''training wheels weed''

Its hard to find a high CBD that is as tasty and as flavorful as my Les Fleurs Bleues.

Now Ive looked at a lot of tests and I ll agree with you she's most definitely not 11% terpenes but maybe I got the one in 10 millions lol. She is super loud and delicious smelling.

After listening to Shaping Fire podcast with Ethan Rousseau, I cant help to think that Ethan would love my Les Fleurs Bleues, his favorite terpene is D-Limonene, he loves linalool, and loves cultivars that are slightly higher CBD than THC.