The Search for Trip Weed

[idiit]

The author is "DJ Short", the creator of the Blueberry and Flo strains... , (article published in 2005)

With a long lasting, creeper high that kept coming on in waves over the hours, this stuff had no ceiling. One phenomenon consistently reported from the Highland Oaxaca experience was that of peripheral visual distortions of primarily cartoon color images. This tended to increase the visual distortions caused by other psychedelics such as mushrooms or LSD.

emphasis mine

^^ famous dj short quote.

i was having some fun with daphne and friends. i considered it to actually be a kinda trippy post which helped make my point.

lots of us are interested in thaibliss' search.

i don't want to see us redefine trippy to psychoactive.

i'm not sayin' we have redefined trippy to psychoactive.

i want us to discuss/agree on what the terms psychoactive and trippy mean if we really are going to search for these attributes.

to me it's a gradient from mildly psychoactive ( far left) to very psychoactive (middle) to at the far end right area extremely trippy ( ie see, hear shit).

i have experienced extremely trippy effects from salad bowls ( mixing more than one strain in a bowl) enabled by a few beers ( repeatable experience. i did the same method several times with the same salad bowl aided by a few beers each time), never from just one strain smoked solo.

i have smoked very psychoactive cannabis (without alcohol) lots of times.

if we limit the search by redefining terms to something we believe is possible (very psychoactive) and define out of existence something ( very trippy; ie see, hear shit) because we don't believe "very trippy" is possible then we have possibly shackled ourselves due to our own belief systems.

if extremely psychoactive is accomplished it is a very good thing. i'd love to smoke some extremely psychoactive up energetic weed.

let's not rule out just yet the possibility of actually finding extremely trippy weed by redefining trippy to psychoactive. let's not limit ourselves just yet. let's call a spade a spade. if this is the best we can manage i'm personally very happy with highly psychoactive.

let's not forget dj's epic quote. trippy may still lie in some of them thare landrace genetics.

 

[Dropped Cat]

idiit, you mention "salad bowl". That's not a term I've hears since
high school, late seventies.

Good times.

 

[idiit]

^ i strut my geezer.

 

[Raco]

Bangi Haze!
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[TanzanianMagic]

A Sociology (Labeling) Of The Trip

A Sociology (Labeling) Of The Trip

emphasis mine

^^ famous dj short quote.

i was having some fun with daphne and friends. i considered it to actually be a kinda trippy post which helped make my point.

lots of us are interested in thaibliss' search.

i don't want to see us redefine trippy to psychoactive.

i'm not sayin' we have redefined trippy to psychoactive.

i want us to discuss/agree on what the terms psychoactive and trippy mean if we really are going to search for these attributes.

to me it's a gradient from mildly psychoactive ( far left) to very psychoactive (middle) to at the far end right area extremely trippy ( ie see, hear shit).

i have experienced extremely trippy effects from salad bowls ( mixing more than one strain in a bowl) enabled by a few beers ( repeatable experience. i did the same method several times with the same salad bowl aided by a few beers each time), never from just one strain smoked solo.

i have smoked very psychoactive cannabis (without alcohol) lots of times.

if we limit the search by redefining terms to something we believe is possible (very psychoactive) and define out of existence something ( very trippy; ie see, hear shit) because we don't believe "very trippy" is possible then we have possibly shackled ourselves due to our own belief systems.

if extremely psychoactive is accomplished it is a very good thing. i'd love to smoke some extremely psychoactive up energetic weed.

let's not rule out just yet the possibility of actually finding extremely trippy weed by redefining trippy to psychoactive. let's not limit ourselves just yet. let's call a spade a spade. if this is the best we can manage i'm personally very happy with highly psychoactive.

let's not forget dj's epic quote. trippy may still lie in some of them thare landrace genetics.

Here is the S.A.L.V.I.A. scale:

S - Subtle effect – You get the feeling that something is about to happen but also relaxation and increased sensorics.

A – Think differently – Colours and patterns attract attention, thoughts become illogical, more attention for colours and shapes, no hallucinations yet.

L – Superficial hallucinations – Visions with eyes closed, images and patterns, feeling of a second dimension, visions are clearly recognized as being visions and not confused with reality.

V - Visions – Complex three-dimensional realistic visions, possibly with voices, with eyes closed one looses track of reality. Travelling in time, transformations, seeing ghosts, everything is possible now.

I – Loss of identity – No sense whatsoever anymore about reality, inner experience, contact with gods or the feeling of being a god, contact with objects, thinking of being an object.

A - Amnesia – Loss of consciousness, person can topple over, person can also start walking while asleep or move heavily, mostly the person involved does not remember anything about this. As you loose consciousness, this is not the level you want to reach.

We're developing a sociology of the high.

I would say the high of original Tanzanian Magic I had was right through to A for Amnesia.

 

[Rinse]

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

First of all, thanks to everyone for their posts with lots of great advice, pictures, and information. A few special call outs:

Rinse and Idiit - Nice psychedelic scales/ratings. I wish I had thought of it, and that they were some of the first posts in this thread. I'm wondering if a moderator could rearrange. I guess those that are interested enough to read the whole thread will find them.

Pepe - Some really wicked good looking Double Thai pictures! Nice.

Raco - We have found the winner in the search for the ultimate grower/curing specialist. Thanks for reminding us all, there is room for improvement.

Two of the first three of my trip weed hopefuls are ready for the flowering cabinet. I'll probably go one more week, to improve odds of full maturity, and give the third an extra week to catch up.

Here are some pictures. The first is Zamaldelica (ACE) x Malawi Gold (Seeds of Africa):

The next is Nanan-Bouclou (Southern Star Seeds), Papua New Guinea Gold x Hatian:

Finally, and lastly, Red Hair, Destroyer (Cannabiogen) x Fire Fox Tail:

Red Hair is a couple of weeks behind. It sprouted late. It is also the most nutrient sensitive of the three, and the most pungent so far. It smells like green fruit, green mango, green banana, and kiwi. It intrigues me. I have heard of other strains that are supposed to smell like mangos, but with the ones I have grown, I may not have identified them as such without the mention of it already in my head. This one really smells like mango, partly, but the greenness is most prevalent. It is not green grassy at all. It is green fruity.

Nanan-Bouclou and Zamaldelica x Malawi Gold are females. If Red Hair shows some, it is going to be tight in that cabinet. I'm hoping it will be male. I like a few seeds in my grows, as I may find something great, and catastrophe can strike at any time. I like lots of backup plans.


Have a great weekend everyone,

ThaiBliss


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[BlackBart]

The real Thai weed that we used to get 40 years ago was total trip weed . PO PO ORO (mex) and black African will also give you a good thrill ride like Tilltawhirl

 

[satva]

religious experience, divine transformation, and state of Samadhi, a state of bliss

That's the real deal, everyday life. Nothing trippy or psychedelic about that. Ones experience is all there is......

Once upon a time there was a clear micro dot, but it didn't come with a guarantee of divine transformation or universal bliss. Closer to #1 -3. If #4 is for sale, count me in, where ever it is, and whatever it costs.

 

[festerous]

The real Thai weed that we used to get 40 years ago was total trip weed . PO PO ORO (mex) and black African will also give you a good thrill ride like Tilltawhirl

You were 40 years younger then and your body and mind was in a much cleaner place than it is today. As was mine

Back then I could run, jump and crash with ease, sing high notes and imitate cartoon characters. A six pack and a joint between a few friends would get us totally messed up, now we need a couple of cases and at least an eighth of the finest.

When you have the world ahead of you clarity or distortion can go a long way.

 

[RandyCalifornia]

I agree with you a little Festeros, buI had been smoking herb for five years, mostly bags of Mexican, before I ran into a Thai stick that made me feel I had a real phase shift, tripping, real long lasting, high.

 

[festerous]

I agree with you a little Festeros, buI had been smoking herb for five years, mostly bags of Mexican, before I ran into a Thai stick that made me feel I had a real phase shift, tripping, real long lasting, high.

Can you imagine if that thai was the first pot you ever smoked? I'm pretty sure it would have qualified as a religious experience!

 

[yesum]

The first pot I smoked was Mexican mersh. Might have been quite good but was not real special like Acapulco Gold or anything. Messed me up like unreal. Felt like I had bees in my ears for a time. Bzzzzzzz.

Then real trippy for a while and I could feel it a little the next day too. After around a year of smoking that feeling was gone for good. I experienced something scary but kinda wonderful around a year later smoking some unknown Mexican. Was on a break between classes in a area I had never been to and around people I barely knew and complete strangers. Like a acid trip and yes I took acid after that, so I know about it.

Unlike acid the hardcore trip thing wound down in around 45 minutes and I had to get back to class by then or get in trouble. hehe If you are not expecting something like that and are not in a real cool setting anxiety is very common.

If you were a regular smoker for a year of more, you were no longer a newbie. Age had nothing to do with it, it was use over time that dulled you to the sensation.

I get trippy and powerful highs today but mental and physical changes from smoking for a long time have deadened the awesome, trancendant feelings somewhat. Sad really but that is life.

I can tell you ACE Panama Red is real close to 'Mohawken Red' I sampled from the late 70's. Taste and effect. Mohawken might mean Michoacan or Oaxacan. It might not have been either but high grade 'sativa' it surely was.

 

[Sideshow-Bob]

emphasis mine

^^ famous dj short quote.

i was having some fun with daphne and friends. i considered it to actually be a kinda trippy post which helped make my point.

lots of us are interested in thaibliss' search.

i don't want to see us redefine trippy to psychoactive.

i'm not sayin' we have redefined trippy to psychoactive.

i want us to discuss/agree on what the terms psychoactive and trippy mean if we really are going to search for these attributes.

to me it's a gradient from mildly psychoactive ( far left) to very psychoactive (middle) to at the far end right area extremely trippy ( ie see, hear shit).

i have experienced extremely trippy effects from salad bowls ( mixing more than one strain in a bowl) enabled by a few beers ( repeatable experience. i did the same method several times with the same salad bowl aided by a few beers each time), never from just one strain smoked solo.

i have smoked very psychoactive cannabis (without alcohol) lots of times.

if we limit the search by redefining terms to something we believe is possible (very psychoactive) and define out of existence something ( very trippy; ie see, hear shit) because we don't believe "very trippy" is possible then we have possibly shackled ourselves due to our own belief systems.

if extremely psychoactive is accomplished it is a very good thing. i'd love to smoke some extremely psychoactive up energetic weed.

let's not rule out just yet the possibility of actually finding extremely trippy weed by redefining trippy to psychoactive. let's not limit ourselves just yet. let's call a spade a spade. if this is the best we can manage i'm personally very happy with highly psychoactive.

let's not forget dj's epic quote. trippy may still lie in some of them thare landrace genetics.

nice post, but please change psychoactive to psychedelic

or maybe i didn't understand you correctly... but every herb is psychoactive (except hemp), not every herb is psychedelic, and trippy does not always equal psychedelic, although the categories trippy and psychedelic share the mayority of their semantic value...

you use psychoactive as a synonym to raw potency in this case, but i think you meant psychedelic?

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while the shulgin scale does have it's place and value, i always felt it is not very helpful for achieving the kind of mindset that is fundamental for a mystical experience... people with this scale in the back of their head can easily build up expectations that hinder them from going all the way

for cannabis i feel the scale is even more lacking in terms of usefulness for the classification of an experience...

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

A cat named BoldAsLove just posted on the Zamaldelica Search for Trip Weed thread, with excellent descriptions. I'd like to reference it here, because it sounds like what I'm looking for:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6185663&postcount=207

The #12 sounds like what I'm after. I'm on the verge of testing my Zamaldelica that is curing. I'm trying to resist until more of a cure, but with a description like #12, I don't think I can hold off much longer.

Happy Tripping,

ThaiBliss



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[Dropped Cat]

Try some, my keeper Zamaldelica is very similar to BoldAsLove #12.

My first harvest I smoked 30 days after drying, and was too much
rush for me, I now cure for 60 days before sampling, I shudder
to think of that first time. Almost lost my shit.

I have a jar of that Zamaldelica from a year ago that I dip into.
Sublime.

I am greatful for BoldAsLove post, need to let him know.

 

[Applesauce]

In my opinion you need to run more seeds if you're going to find something that truly satisfies you. I noticed you said Bangi was great but not quite world class. Then it was revealed a few pages later you had finished just one Bangi. You might get a feel for the strain running a pack and maybe lucky to find a really good one but you need to up your numbers to find greatness.

The more experience I gain I've stopped going for ten 10 packs of different strains, instead opting for 40 (or more) of the same variety.

You know what you seek so you have an advantage with this and it will just be a numbers game for you. Good luck!

 

[ThaiBliss]

In my opinion you need to run more seeds if you're going to find something that truly satisfies you. I noticed you said Bangi was great but not quite world class. Then it was revealed a few pages later you had finished just one Bangi. You might get a feel for the strain running a pack and maybe lucky to find a really good one but you need to up your numbers to find greatness.

The more experience I gain I've stopped going for ten 10 packs of different strains, instead opting for 40 (or more) of the same variety.

You know what you seek so you have an advantage with this and it will just be a numbers game for you. Good luck!

Hi Applesauce,

I agree with you. I'll be visiting Bangi Haze again for sure, but they are in reserve for now due to the goals of mine that I'll address below. I think it is possible to find an exceptional individual in those. I'm going to grow every one of those seeds I have. The descriptions from the breeder and experience of others make me think the one I tested is in the ballpark of what is available. Unfortunately, I can't afford 10 packs of any combination of varieties. I'll be breeding more or crossing it to something else.

Legal limitations also affect my strategy. I cannot keep more than a handful of plants. There are problems with line breeding within a small population, and also with outcrossing too much. This is less than an ideal situation for genetic vigor and revealing recessive genetics that may be exceptional. The best bet would be to have friends with similar goals, even if not similar genetics, and then cross our populations of similar traits after we have each line bred for a few generations.

My number one goal is quality/potent trip weed type effect. My number two goal is early/quick enough to grow outside or in a greenhouse in my area. Bangi Haze is early enough for a greenhouse without sacrifice of quality, judging from the one I sampled. I probably have a 50% chance of doing better by growing and testing another. I might do even better not being concerned about earliness at all. If I can find potency without sacrificing quality, then the offspring of the two would be a match that would be well worth growing for a long time to find the exceptional ones with early/quality/potency all wrapped up in one. If I can find a half dozen of those, perhaps I could use them to start breeding a stable variety. For me, that would be more fun than finding a great one, and holding on to the cutting until I accidentally lose it. I speak from personal experience, and have heard this story repeated many times from others. Besides, while I loved Thai Stick, but if that is all I had, I'd probably get bored with it. Seeds are the better path to the future, but of course I keep a cutting collection also.

Thanks for the input. It is well worth reminding ourselves of sound principles, and you have brought up a very important point.

ThaiBliss



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[kwonic]

This thread is really interesting. Lots of information to absorb, Thanks for starting it ThaiBliss

 

[sota]

Hi ThaiBliss,
nice thread!

I am crossing my "sumatra tripping weed" (original name of this old landrace/is not the same strain you get today, belive me) with some
top cut´s.
The Su lady produce pollen after colloidal silver showers.
My first 2 crosses are Amnesia Haze x Sumatra and
Deep Chunk x amnesia haze (core cut) x Sumatra
Amnesia core cut is a special super silver haze selection.

foto - amnesia haze x sumatra
I expectet very thin leafes, but the plant has a fat and vigor indica optic.
She is very strong and vital.